Kota Bharu also ??? like what ?

sorry bumping in again. please comment/kutuk/keji/or whatever about my previous post. i would like to suggest a properly organized internet campaign regarding the problems faced by Sarawak BH owners and the Malaysian industry in general. The main aim is to maintain already inhabited BH's, to go against any acts that will lead to death/stress of swiftlets, highlight the abuse of power of agencies. COme on la, 700++ applications for premise operation but only 2 approved??? Biar betul, nampak sangat something is wrong.

i suggest regular forumers spearhead this campaign, not only to local conservation bodies but also international ones, lobbying to other online communities, forwarding emails explaining the predicament and plain cold blooded murdering of swiftlet chicks & young... zalim. i doubt those chicks taken by the authorities will be treated well or will live. Can anyone repost the pictures from the Mukah tragedy, where baskets of chicks were left out and piled?

(added further this mosrning)

http://images.google.com.my/imgres?imgurl=...t%3D54%26um%3D1

This is titled Cadangan GEM Kepada Pihak Kerajaan Dan Pengusaha Rumah Burung. Basically they have mentioned what we've discussed before.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Mar 6 2009, 07:29 AM

Dear Uncle Ben:

You are the man. I salute you for your generosity and willingness to share. Newbie like me really learn a lot from you.

There is one more thing I like to learn :

I heard some blogger said the bird testing/calling sound is not suitable to be used for bird luring in the BH. Is that true?

Thanks!

Dear Ir. Lee,

my 2cents about that lure or birdcall sound... from my limited knowledge and experience, most of them are calls of distress, or danger or warning sounds, which explains why massive numbers of birds come by and swarm around (since they are a colony type of bird) . I believe this sort of sound not only will cause the birds to 'mark' that area as dangerous, but will in the future stay away from the area because of this. I understand they have remarkable homing or tracking instincts... and tend to remember feeding areas, watering areas and most likely 'danger' areas as well.

some use mating sounds, some use baby sounds. i heard there was one sound called 'distress', and as the name implies, it maybe a distress sound (either chicks being squeezed or adults in danger/pain). i personally have not used such sounds since it might lower the possibility of birds passing thru in the long run, this is assuming young birds will initially follow the paths used by older/parent birds initially (i used a friends external sound instead, but it seems even without any calls, there are still birds roving around). it may cause the opposite effect if used for an external sound?

please correct me if i'm wrong.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Mar 6 2009, 11:55 AM

Commenting on my earlier post, could it be that the message did not get accross to majority of the BHs owner in sarawak? Knowing that Sarawak is a big state and maybe most owners are from elsewhere and not everyone read the paper or are internet savvy...it won't be suprising that most of them do not know efforts are being taken to obtains a court injunction to stop the masacre. That could be the reason not many step forwards.

Just a suggestion... why not print lots of leaflet to that effect with details of contact persons, legal team etc. and leave one each at every BH. I though this could help. If already been there done that then great..

excellent post ian oh, totally forgot about the human aspect, the owners. that idea should be executed by the leaders of the Sarawak association, in other words make owners have access to legal advice.

(and here i was babbling about international conventions of conservation & cruelty against animals)

Hi evryone...

I wrote earlier a couple of weeks back... Still looking for anyone who can help with advise on building my BH...

Hi Lee,

Base on my observations when using stress sound which is sound of injured chicks sending out SOS. Sweiftlets will rush in and appears panicky circling high and rather noisy chasing each another. I tested in Sabah and another species the palm swiftlets looks very similar to siritis and with same flight Patten will also respond to duress call. White nest house swift lets will attack and chase them away. I presume is the in sting to fight off predators.

I hope that I am wrong but was told that to obtain duress sound. Legs of chicks are deliberately broken and the sound of pain and distress are then recorded. You will also hear the same sounds make by chicks that have fallen out of their nest.
I have seen new BH in sungai Punuk Pontianak using Duress on the DK type entrance hole. Only a short bust of maybe 1 minute then follows by normal calling sound. I observed many birds rush in and the BH was sold to investor shortly afterwards.
My opinion plenty of panicky birds are fantastic to watch and also be able to boost to your friends your collections of powerful bird sounds. Good for ones EGO and kia su syndrome. I must confess here, that I am equally guilty.

I have a copy of CD given to me by my Good friend JL. Don’t look very exciting but the birds will float down like a butterfly and keep coming back circling the speakers. Guess what we name this cds. 20k and12K .This very old cd is use by a farmer (Call Me privately if you want to know the locations) one of his BH produces 20 kg and the other 12kg per month respectively.

My Guru My Lim C.L. famous saying Quote.- The skill is not to get few hundred birds to come to your BH but them to stay . That is KUNG FU !!

A bit into politics ! It is time that all Sarawakians voters, especially Batang Ai voters and swiftlets farmers, show the state government your dissatisfaction through your votes in the coming elections !

Dear Uncle Ben,

So it is true that those are sounds of chicks in distress/pain... if it is true chicks legs are broken... it is plain evil and cruel. If its just recorded from fallen chicks or temporarily removed from nests... it would be acceptable.

Uncle Ben, what about the effects of repeated playing of such sounds? Will the birds mark the area as a danger zone and avoid it in future? What if some very 'dengki' people start playing that sound nearby my BH? would it have effect? I have been wanting to ask this for sometime.

Politics... yes, that can give way to change.

I'm blushing it's nothing compare to what you and the other esteemed forumer has contributed.

every time i when up to my farm then i will oso visit a place not far where the birds liked to stay there around 5 - 6.30pm for foods.then i will play the stress sound to lure the birds and see that day how many birds were there.near beside the land there is 2 bh and i dont see there is any kik-kik-kok-kok hapen.just normal ,until now there is still a few hundred flying at this hour so... bo tai chi la !!

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Mar 6 2009, 06:15 PM

ya...u rite ..kch farmer sifu...i try before too ...no harm at all

Hey, our friend Imad......this is a forum and if you need to know all about BHs A toZ.....get a consultant and he would advice you sll you need. Maybe, for a start read all previous postings and also some basic books of swiftlets.

Here, we are only to guild you but then you need to be more specific about what you want to know and what's problem that you encounter. If you are looking for friends around your area to discuss about the initial aspects like your location and setup. then give the location of your town and your BH and maybe some friends from your area may answer your prayer and even ask you out for coffee and roti canai and of course you pay lah......

Yeah, you are right! Long time no see and it's good to hear from you again. Black cloud from you is really not as good as claimed by the blogger condemned in this forum. A clearer edition is also of no use I guess.

Hi Kuching Farmer,

I don’t know if bird will mark danger zone in areas where Duress is being frequently tested. My buddy B.Loy(Hay James ! Hands off). And myself have this secret location in Miri where the birds come down to feed at a certain time. We used it to test 5 versions of duress. The birds do not appear less enthusiastic every time we conducted testing there. In fact B.Loy commented that the bird seem to recognized the black Hilux we used to get to this location as we observed that some birds will start to circle the Hilux even before we use the SOS sound. I will ask my sifu for his comment.

One more subject that puzzles me, is at times the birds don’t come back to the BH for few days usually during bad weather. Where do these birds sleep? We also learn that they can only clink on to some structures. Do they roost clinking on to trees in the jungle? Or where they spent the night ? Can someone please help to answer these questions? If I have the pleasure to met Dr. C.K.Lim I will remember to raise this subject with him.

KF I am looking forward to our Swiftlets Safari next week. I promised Cel. I will brew one batch of feathers aroma of him and our KT friend. I am also glad that we are finally back to discussing swift lets farming.

Thanks kuching_farmer, calvinswiftlet & Uncle Ben, about observations and opinions on those distress calls. I was so worried about the long term effects, if any. So if does not cause any deviation of bird routes and does not effect the birds coming to BH's, it should be ok la.

Uncle Ben, C.K. Lim it that UNIMAS researcher??? You know him personally??? I have been an admirer of his work for some years now. Do you know where i can get access to his research papers or publications?

Dear imad and other new enthusiasts, please heed West Wings advice, i too was wandering alone for sometime trying to meet BH owners and finding sifu's. After a year of wandering around meeting people and finally going to a course, only then did i find this forum. All i can say is that this forum is THE forum for serious enthusiasts and BH owners and industry players. What i obtained from this forum, was sufficient enough to screw my consultant good enough so he could not play2 and know i mean business. Other forums (not blogs) are merely cut and paste discussions which do not have sincere and based on experience opinions. Again thanks to the forumers here.

This is a checklist i made, this ones the simple version and may differ a lot from others since each BH may face or have different planning or different approach by contractors..

Checklist

A Assumption
Budget maximum of XXX
loan?
Size of BH 80X30X3 all-in exclusive
COMPLETION BEFORE JUNE 2009

B Construction

1 Authorities
2 Building plan/documentation/draft SPA current
3 Surat Serah Tapak / with letter of authority
4 Land Preparation
JUPEM
surveying, layout
clearing
Temporary water & electricity
soil suitability
5 Site Visit by consultant & contractor
6 Support Letter (certificate GAHP)
7 Loan Application Paperwork & Costing
8 Signing of Agreement (shareholders)
9 TNB draft letter & fill forms when 1st floor finishes
10 JBA draft letter & fill forms
11 Location of workers residence
12 Construction
layout
structure/piling/footing/vent holes/LAL separate list (details)
security - building materials on site
nesting planks
mist & cooling system
entry hole
ventilation & turbulence
fence after building completion
audio system
13 Procurement of (Agri) items
14 Land Preparation (Agri)
15 Work Supervision/Payment Schedule


C Pre-Launch
1 insecticide/pesticide, predator proofing - one week prior to launch
2 placement of fake nests
3 parfum application & guano
4 triple check for rats, cicak
5 final check of mist & cooling system
6 final check of audio system
7 final check of ventilation/T/H/light
8 reapplication of parfum -2 weeks after launch
9 reapplication of parfum & -2 months after launch (ABSOLUTELY NO ENTRY)
assessment of internal environment

D Maintenance
Scheduled Maintenance works
Log book upkeep


The second thing i would like to inform is, there is a difference between walitworld.com & ban-walitworld.com. I just want to mention here not for promotion but to mention that Bina Agro Nusantara Resources has NOTHING to do with Walit World Sdn Bhd (Today, 7/3/09, SINAR, PAGE 11). It is a bit unscrupulous for walitworld.com to be claiming they have a 'pembangunan burung walit bersepadu' at Lukut & Tg. Agas with Bina Agro Nusantara. I am a bit sensitive when it comes to bumi consultants and i like to keep them in check. The reason why, so many bumi's have failed and this has caused financial institutions to shun away from recognizing this industry as a good financial investment. In other words, it was impossible for me to get loans for this first BH... all because of poor management of previous BH's that took loans. Now i have to really feel the hardship like others that started from scratch... wait until good harvesting... show good monthly income... THEN maybe take a loan for a second one. Its all about credit rating.

The second reason why is because most bumi consultants are offering lots/shares of a BH. one example is the PUSHPIAM project. My personal advise is; Stay away from such deals since it does not ensure ownership of the BH/lot/floor. It also does not ensure good management, lets say the contract is for 10 years, they manage A-Z... who the hell can ensure that that c/o will survive for 10 years??? Lets say they make it to 5 years... got lots of nests already... they suddenly change c/o that manages the BH? On whose land? Crazy la this sort of arrangement. Also... lets say got nests... your lot is say 20x20 ft... will you be there to see how many nests are within your lot????? Huh... risky.

I hope other forumers will discuss these stuff with me. Not to condemn but to comment on such schemes and agreements so people who are new don't get trapped or later on menyesal. Since most of them are bumi... it could help reduce the failure rate if proven that some bumi consultants don't deliver. I am concerned about increasing bumi success rate in the industry, and the reason why has been mentioned many times before.

This post has been edited by dunsuntutmybuntut: Mar 7 2009, 11:35 AM

source : http://www.walitworld.com/index.php?option...w&id=7&Itemid=2

Fulamak ...!! RM650K per year... But what a pity the company offer no guarantee for this income projection.

hehe! thanks aieou228. thats why we must point out discrepancies of such arrangements. too many loopholes and the client will pay the price later on. another thing, on paper memang semua nampak cantik... the reality is totally different. the dream of easy financial security sometimes clouds the minds of people, and this includes myself. as pointed out earlier i am far away from being successful like the other forumers here, but i plan to sit among you guys soon (2-3 years) and at least be able to talk on par about technical details or tricks of the trade. maybe compete pricing too!!! >.<

just out of curiosity... has any tauke have experience applying for export permits (special permit) from PERHILITAN? i hear it is not only difficult to get, but also taxable, and many politics involved. Same la like applying for permit of BH operation. Has anyone made complaints with PEMUDAH about this matter? Maybe if we stick together and make an organized online complaint it would make a difference. I still propose the internet campaign against the revised draft guideline. If Uncle Ben, West Wing, aeiou228, Ir. Lee could be able to spearhead and lead, i'm sure other forumers and online community will follow. This is the least an online community can do.

for export permit ,in sarawak got many licence and easy to apply.only rm 50 per kg to pay.without licence u can oso lend from some outlet who sell nest here in kuching.so that is not a problem only licence for bird house.very headache.i knwe a fren from selangor he export his nest thru china by transit in kuching

This post has been edited by kuching_farmer: Mar 7 2009, 02:00 PM