Hey Guys, don't need to fred, even Kindergardens has new GP (after the hammering incident = SICK!). Need to employ Security Guards for Kindergardens (STAR).

Another stories telling time to proof to whoever sitting at the high chairs, fuciphagus in fact living among us in towns during your grandfathers' age in a nature way, not by human intervention.

i. Story of a very successful bh in a small town called Bserai.
One fine day the local council asked a contractor to tear down an abandoned old hall to make way for future redevelopment. When the contractor entered the building, they discovered hidden 'gold mine'. So in turn this smart contractor instead of demolishing, they repurchased the whole building from the town council. Understand now they have become developer.

ii. An old landmark colonial building in one of the oldest town in the country.
This building has been abandoned for some time. Used to be 'famous' for haunted stories as place for the Japs tortured and beheaded locals in the past. One fine day, the council decided to refurbish the building and turn it into administrative dept. Ok, engaged workers to torn down the internal. Again, contract workers in their wildest dream discovered 'gold' and happy clean up the place w/o further delay. Till today, they still talking abt the unexpected windfall; God sent gifts whatever you name it. Thank you Allah, we have rubber, tin, oil palm, crude oil and now bird nest and bird shits too..haha.

iii. A not too old abandoned flooded carpark in Klang.
Some chaps or drug addicts discovered the hidden 'gold mine' under the building and the news spread like wild fire. Now, the place has been cleaned. Fuciphagus too have migrated to other safer sanctuaries in town.

Question we town folks like to ask Mr Authority Sirs,
i. Anything wrong to use as bird sanctuaries if we refurbish these old buildings, repaint the external to blend with the town?

ii. Can the authority recommend or guarantee any other better revenue or business from these stranded assets in town.

iii. Where to get the money to maintain these building if not because of bird nest as alternative income. Some of these buildings were hidden at the dead end, back lanes, t-junction and been abandoned for mths and yrs. Who to rent to, tourists, rats or crows? Fuciphagus are clean, cleaner than human, which consume only insects is the best alternative if external facade is constantly maintain without affecting the town appearance.

Noise issue is categorized as technical issue caused by number of recalcitrant and there are solutions to it, if you are willing to LISTEN of course.

Listen not from few datuks only but from 50,000 operators and hundreds and thousands benefited from the downstream industries not forgetting their sons and daughters another hundreds and thousands of mouths to feed!

Bobby C,
I think you have a very good point there and I feel can be taken a step further.
There are NGOs who care abt the old buildings that gives certain places their charm.
They work with the Culture ministry to have them gazzetted as heritage buildings and such.
More often then not, once restored and the money for conservation runs out, it will deteriorate until taken notice of by these dedicated volunteers.
Continuous funding for upkeep will be an never ending problem. Charging entrance has never really worked.

IMHO, you shd google for them and check out their sites and test the water there.
If both are sincere I am very certain a solution can be found.
They get to keep these buildings and the owner get to utilise it economically and contribute to the upkeep.

Not only the gazzetted heritage buildings, there are plenty of these nice looking old buildings these NGOs would like to conserve but the govt doesnt have so much money to preserve and conserve them. Working with these NGOs are so much better then fighting alone against greedy developers who can convince short sighted PBTs with the magic word 're-development'. To the PBTs redevelopment is a much neater solution than conservation.
I can picture, BHs ate top and selling EBN to tourist on the grnd floor.
If you recall there was this mention in the DRAFT 1GP that was posted here.
Also abt repainting a std color for tourist attention.
The idea is in place but the details needs a lot of tidying up. So there are govt folks putting their thinking caps on for the 1GP.
If only they will share the draft with us and we provide feedback.
I think the main fault (per DRAFT 1GP) lies with treating all premises as similar.
If they expand the guidelines with finer details with suitable categorising of shoplots the 1GP can be made to work for everyone.
BUT I would like to end with a caveat... there will always be delinquent operators. I have no sympathy for them. These delinquent ones are giving the industry a bad name. It will take a very long time to correct the existing bad public perception even w/o these delinquent ones undermining the education effort.

The Penangs guys did a good piece on heritage buildings a few mths back with the mainstream media.
Talk to your assoc if all these can be coordinated or not.

I hv 2 I just googled
www.vintagemalaya.com/
www.badanwarisan.org.my/

It's a worthwhile effort engaging them.
May be some have done so already.
This is an interesting topic and I hope more can contribute and share info.
Who can tell, that some day one of us here will get to advise and sit in discussion with the powers-that-be, and we will hv the necessary info at our finger tips to help the govt make properly informed decisions.
Good for the country as a whole, responsible engaging citizens as an example to our young ones.

As for the govt's current stand on gazetted heritage sites, I believe it was reported the govt was to refer to UNESCO for advice.
I think this has to do with the funds frm UNESCO for the upkeep of these sites.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Mar 16 2010, 01:07 PM

In my personal opinion, sometime when we already knew that the govt. do not allow it, why go and do it?

The followings are some of those we already knew from years ago that the govt. do not allow.
1. No food business is allow under the floor use for swiftlets.
2. The Ground Floor is meant for business and not for the birds so that all shops will still be opened for business.

Many have converted the ground floors for BH and many have food shop under but I didn't and I hope that the government will approve of these.

When we started BHs years ago, nobody complained of it as the birds came naturally. When the govt. approved and supported it, we built more and more and now what is going to happened.

Then, years ago, we have already stay clear of confrontation with the local government.......

This post has been edited by West Wing: Mar 17 2010, 05:18 PM

WW,

I totally agree on Point 2. Indeed the Ground Floor MUST remain open for business; no Birds Allowed.

Well well,
I retrieved swiftlet related MSM reports and I copy here the links

Here ASNI (the Penang assoc I mentioned earlier) had provided a very good argument...
the BHs were in existence before granted Unesco World Heritage status.
and also the NGOs I mentioned are against letting the BHs to continue operating
I guess they have their work already cut out for them.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2322&sec=nation

hahaha.....retire? lama lagi lah....

in fact i am thinking of going to join a training course to maybe well..to becomes a real estate agent loh...

what to do!....

many years ago, many investors of abandoned shoplots owners are finding no one to rent out their shops...they can't even find any humans around the surroounding area...even the dogs are so skinny that it lying in the middle of the street and waiting for god to come and take them to HEAVEN.

so, instead of letting it rot, they converted it into farms...


and some says that if grd floor got makan place is not allowed....WHY??

if liked that those next to it also not allowed ahh????

and why just that, make it a distance lah!!....why not 150m away!!!


what kind of shit ideas is this???

You sudah BRAINWASH by them kah?? really soh hai!!!



Then they are those who owned shops is a small town, where the local economy can only support not that many buz....

one barber shop...enough loh

one electric shop....enough loh

one kopitiam ....enouogh loh

one mamak stall....enough loh

one handphone shop....enough loh

one grocery shop....enough loh

one supermarket ....enough loh

and they said.....diao!!....what then i should open??? NOTHING!!....so some choose to just let it idle and once a while just go in to catch a few dead rats, while some decides to convert it into a farm.



This forum is getting INTERESTING!!

everyone is trying to kill each other off so that their farms are safe n sound.

think lah soh hai!!...


really BLOODY IDIOTS SHIT THINKING!!



by the way, i don't own such kinds of farms....but that does not mean i have the right to kill them though...


Peace.

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 18 2010, 10:41 AM

Is it only black or white? i think many compromises can be struck in between.

Simply generalising that Ground floor is not suitable for swiftlet farming is ludicrous.

However, if the Ground Floor is within a popular area say "Bangsar" or "heritage row in Penang" and my neighbour is operating a birdhouse, hell yeah, i am going to object.

But on the other hand, if this was a gazetted area or some far flung location where business of Ground Floor is barely surviving, then by all means.

We say that Bird Houses create no nuisance to neighbours, but true to one's heart the answer is on the contrary.

I have seen a street in a major town gone TOTALLY dead because all the shops (about 12 units) including the GF have been converted for AFs. I used to have chicken rice there many years ago but it is no more. The street has kinda become a ghost street and I am sure the PBT would not be happy to have many ghost streets in towns.

There are also some other streets that are dying because more than 50% of the GFs are now closed down.

coolandy,

Exactly, imagine Penang, Ipoh and many more suffer that faith, then our tourism malaysia better be called tourism birds! Because swiftlets ain't going to 7-Eleven.

I've places like Tangkak and Ayer Hitam in Johor ground floor doing brisk business and upstairs are for birds. Thats win-win...

in my area, there is this one pork noodle shop, average they sold about 1000 bowls a day.

so, telling them that u should convert it into a farm they will bring out their pork chopper to chase u out of their shop.

1000 x 5 = RM5k a day, 150K a month.

then there is this one shop that sell pork noodle, i always go there n eat, then one day it just closed shop. i asked the owner why u want to closed it? got ppls eating what!.

He told me, i average one day can only sell 20 bowls, for Rm3.5 a bowl.

20 x 3.5 = RM70 a day, RM2.1k a month.

and this income support my family and my adult son who also have a family depends on it. so tell me, how to survive?


no one knows better than the owners themselves. THey know what they are earning.


If they can survive make a living by doing biz in their shop, they will do (BY THE WAY, WHO THE F U ARE TO TELL THEM WHAT THEY NEED TO DO!).


As for annoying farms,

I myself hated many mamak stalls around my shop as they are bloody dirty and clogged most of the drains in the area. They also breed rats as they dump all the rubbish n leftover everywhere. The motor shop behind too is annoying as they keep checking the motorbike by pressing the old pedal so hard that ur ear will numb for few minutes after that. The retail shops nearby also annoying as they blast their musics from 10am till 10pm to attract customers to come...indian songs, malay songs and chinese songs.

but then again i thought well....at least they stop all the nuisance after 8pm...and i can get a good peaceful night. they are just trying to make a living just liked me. so, peace.

Of course one can choose to do what they like with the property. However, all types of business requires licensing from the PBT, ranging from foot reflexology to durian stalls. If unlicenced then sleep in fear lor.

hi cergao

i just turn if on for 10minutes like tat..i got take a video
they keep circleing around..
link as below..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfuEy9CoTgg
haha..how to find land at there o..can as tenant around there? i think it's an agrilcultural land if not mistaken..
i gonna bring it bak to sarawak to have a test at granddad place..hopefully i will get a better result than this~

This post has been edited by ahwee1987: Mar 18 2010, 04:37 PM

Tat's what 1Malaysia rojak state all about, not some empty slogans singing shouting play acting whatsoever.

Not just mamak shops, many restaurants in town the same too breeding rats. What town councils going to do about it? This proof that swiftlets cleaner than human. We human sometimes act smart claiming human cleaner than swiftlet.

As long as they the mamak dont choke up the drain, actually nobody cares how they do their business. Whether you got slaugtered you chose to eat there wat tat's your problem.

As long as our tweeters shooting at the sky not at someone houses or hotels or pedestrains, as long as we pay yearly accessment to town council, renew our licences if any, dispose garbage and shit properly, make sure no moz breeding and NOTHING affect the neighbours, actually, personally speaking to whoever-sitting-at-the-high-chair, we dont fart your harassment whatsoever.

Worst case scenario, shut off the external tweeters, existing birds still come. Harass some more, stop paying all the access charges. Just see how long the harassment can last, court injunction in return if necessary.

We prepare to take the bull by the horn if being pressured to the wall.

Come on, this is not some illegal vcd business (painted by some silly reporters or corupt deptments). Let go to court tell us what wrong have we done, ok.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Mar 18 2010, 06:15 PM

We here, including me, are only taking our rights and we forget others, too have rights. Aren't we selfish if we are only concern what we can and should have but didn't care what other Malaysian want......a compromised solution must be found as we all know that we, swiftlets BH owners are less than 1% of the population and we are taking as if we are GOD. Personally, I have more to lose than many of readers here because I have all my BHs in towns and I tried hard, God know that I do try to look from both directions and angles to justify our existence in towns. Only with the blessing of all are we be able to stay in towns.

If we are to allow the Ground Floors be converted to BHs, the whole town will be practical dead.......as the birds prefer the lower floor.... I will be the first one to convert mine even if you are paying me Rm4K monthly. Then, if you are going to get the authority to allow those not letting out to allow BH activities; where are the justification that he be allowed and not me and what if I chase away all my tenants for a year and will that justified me to be allowed for such BH activities.

If we are aiming to have all our ways, we end up having to move out and we are playing into the hand of the ECO men.

When we demand our rights, others, too demand their rights and do you really think that we will win?????? I bet 10 t0 1 that we lose if we continue to fight for every inch of our demands. The only way we can stay is to see how best we can be to be fair to others and hope that they understand our concerns and situations..........compromised is the solution.

Sometime, the truth is often hard to swallow and I consider myself very lucky that we have a understanding and supporting PM or otherwise, we are all now goner............and also, our oil are limited and also we cannot depend other products. If we push the Government too harsh; with a stroke of the pen, I will be goner but I don't you all.

Above, are my personal feelings and understanding on the matter concerned.

ahwee1987,
That's alot of birds. u sure that wasnt next to a BH?
Thought I saw a roof at some point.
Anyway I have never seen that many in all my testing, but then I dont test at areas I cannot afford anyway.
Like some sifus oredy lamented, these choice coastal land has gone up 300% in price attributed to BHs demand.
Dont ever say it's for BH when looking for land.
Good luck at yr grandad's place and hope u turn the sky into black mass when u turn on the chirp.

i am sure there is no birdhouse there..
cause i went up to this 3storey abandone building an look over the whole area...
tat is a row of abandone shophouse ..i think got 10lot of 3storey shophouse ..70% complete..i think the constructor bankrupt..so stop the job d..abandone for many years d..i think got 5 -10years..so they just leave the building there..if wan buy the the building to convert to swiftlet house also a good idea..but i am just a student currently in final year now..where to get so much money to build?.haiz..but tat area is best for farming cause got river nearby got fish farm i think ..and i ever see a hornbill at that area too...
by the way..who got any idea how to check the abandone building belong to who and how to buy the building from??

This post has been edited by ahwee1987: Mar 19 2010, 01:31 AM

There must be very successful BH(s) around for that nos to be around.
To find the owners?
Various ways depending..you have to play detective a little
1)There shd be a sign board on site with info on developer, engineer, etc....you trace frm these info ELSE
2)Get the rough location and a lot of your verbal description to a real estate agent and ask for a title search...charges varies RM50-RM150 depending on travelling cost. I think if u DIY u pay RM30 to the local land office, but how to get the LOT nos and so on? Real estate agents have stakes of plans to identify and narrow down the place. ELSE
3)This is the fun way....
a)Get a GPS or the the ones that are packaged into yr hp also can
b)Mark the spot (waypoint in GPS speak) - required for step (d)
c)Start GoogleEarth,
d)Add Placemark
edit the lat and long with values frm step (b)
OK and close
see the placemark (a thumbtack) automaticaly go to the spot u made the waypoint
now eyeball the place on GoogleEarth and get a bearing of the place
Show to the real estate agent the location.

PS There is a way which I stumbled on accidentally in a certain govt department online where u can get to the lot nos.
I do not wish to disclose the way as I found out later its a source of info to a group of local enthusiast whose hobby is to locate all the surveyors markers in the country. I wouldnt wanna to be the cause of stoppage to their hobby if the govr dept closes that gap.
There markers are all over the place, mountain tops, in jungles, in towns, along roads, hiways, next to old buildings etc...a lot were laid down by the colonials. An interesting hobby for adventurous folks with a GPS. You get bragging rights with pics of the markers.

I just like to add a few things nothing concerning about the swiftlet industry but the effects and impact which might be similar to what happen to Mukah or any industry .

Two Scenes different industry.

1) The Closing Down of Condom Shops.
I guess many of you had know or even went into this shops in the past like 10 years ago in malaysia. I remember i went into one in Penang since 10 years ago. In my eye, it looks legal and have been operational for the past few years back and consider about 2-3 general election had taken place already. And not to mention that this establishment even consider renting shoplots in high premium retail outlet like Sunway pyramid and even Cineleisure . A few days back, we saw these enforcement including Police claimed that all these business are illegals now. What the f*** !!! Bastards like that make it seems legal for the past 10 years and now claimed it's illegal .... f***ing Dogs!! Are our govt and every single dept in the past are corrupts for not shutting them down. There's a big gap here that police authority must investigate including the business registrar. Why Now?

2) Kilang ayam "Tak Halal"
I don't know who's right or wrong in this but when i saw the enforcement Jakim in the TV tube screaming and mocking the Factory owner for locking them inside till 4am , i thought it's a good decision as they came at the time when nobody is at work. Can you imagine if your worker call you at night and said the authority wants to meet you? This jakun feels that this factory is illegal and must be coming from the informant inside but i wonder why can't they tour the place when it's on operational. If some informant have evidence or prove with video recording or bugs recorder that records their illegal conversation than why can't they put it into action and shut it down immediately in the morning . The reason this ******* came at the odd hour must be to do with investigation.... and again investigation can be only be made when the administration staffs are around isn't it.... bodoh!

This post has been edited by hackwire: Mar 19 2010, 10:24 AM

Pt 1)
Hypocrites..they are probably sharing out some of the confiscated items amongst themselves.
Only a token nos are required for court exhibits. Some of them will find their way to the market again.

Pt 2)
I do not recall electing any of them for them to impose their belief on me in one way or the other!!!
If my MP turned out to be a clown in Parliament I correct my mistake at the next GE.
I certainly did not elect these bunch of clowns. They are being paid off tax payers money.
May be when I got lot's of money I will take them to court exerting my constitutional right. (below) I wanna pay only the part that doesnt go to them.
Article number: 11
(2) No person shall be compelled to pay any tax the proceeds of which are specially allocated in
whole or in part for the purposes of a religion other than his own.

Hackwire,
Are you registered to vote?
If not go get yrself registered.