Quote WW

Come May, we shall have plentiful at our dinning table........WW .......Wine and Women....Opp so sorry...just joking lah so don't feel offended my pretty ladies.

Wah, glad to know our WW starts talking of women and wine, thought after repairing your buttock last yr would take you long time to even think of this. That really worries us..... DL said that shows WW already got back strength of the tiger. Next time, in case, he has to whack again, he wants to hijack u to go along.......kekekeke............



Huh??? your are now a 4 star General? Must salute u, man....

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Mar 11 2010, 09:04 PM

Hi brother WW,

Cheers for the old wine. Hope many more like you in this business. I am learning by reading this forum everyday without fail to learn from you, chergau, dusun and many more.

I will be gland if you can enlighten me how long it takes the birds to mature and start nesting (may be already in V1, but sorry la too long to go through ler). I was informed that the birds breed 3 times per year. is this true? I was also told that your bird nests will grow exponentially, not sure about this word, but what I was told that it will double up after every year. Fro example if you have 100 this year the number will increase to 200 next and 400 on the third year................is this true??????. If it is 'chiap boo liau la'

Please do enlighten us newbies on this point. Thanks

how about this ?

assuming the worst kind of scenario that you probably think the birds will reduce like in indonesia.

Will pollution like chemical smells and smoke will inrease by the years to come, so do not always picture the good thing like the double growth of the birds.
Will the hot weather affect the birds to find some place else?

Happened to meet Pak Fatich Marzuki, one of the pioneer in Jawa not long ago. Bird population in Surabaya dropped by more than 50% over 20 yrs, something like 70% if memory correct compares to 20 yrs ago mainly due to industrialization. Deforestation as result of human population increase. But again, if you look at Jawa, the air pollution there is scary, their full moon is like one big orange in the sky indicating the amount of pollutants in the air.

Moral of the story is locality very important. If you can foresee what's going to happen 10-20 yrs down the road in that area, whether food chain will be broken etc. It is also fact that success rate in east coast is higher than west coast. West coast too much competition I suppose. How cum nobody talk abt it, everyone knows already diam-diam huh?

That's why GP1 recommendation of relocating Bhs in industrial area also create another problem, if if the area is meant for heavy industry, birds will like it and increase population?

In the middle of forest the best but but security wise you dare to risk your life? Talk is cheap, come to think of it when they want to rob, $100, $1000 or $10,000 for them still money. Do they know or care how much you have? Even bright day light also rob. So better arm with gun if invest in tat kind of area but how many can get the permit?

Just hope whoever sitting up there smart enough to go the ground and understand rakyat plight. We have so much stranded assets, why don’t allow to make use of them to prosper the country and increase GDP? Tat’s 1Malaysia spirit in the first place!

This cannot that cannot better invest in other countries then! Heard nest quality in Southern Thailand near border much better quality and cleaner. Worst case scenario if they tear down then invest and rebuild in Thailand less harassment! Forget abt redtapes and cronies! Let them die of hunger then.

I think we can start the count down for 1GP now....

i hope all those town farmers can read what i write here....if not just inform them.....

don't hope any more!!...don't hope!!.....

if i were u, i will buy some insurance just in case the officers did want to do just what we predicted.

if really thts what happen....one thing we can predict, agriculture lands near to those hotspots area will be selling liked hot cakes...

thts what we bought as insurances just in case...we knew we cannot hoped those bastards to cover our butts. Those in our group, we have bought enough lands just one km away from all those hotspots and it only cost less than 50k an acre.

if things do becomes ugly, at least u can still earn back the money from selling the land at at least three times of what it used to worth!!!.

if mericle do happens ( MY GOD...PLS HELP US!!!), the lands u can still sell it n earn reasonable profits from it.


So, fear no one!!!....Fight!.

We will fight those bastards with tears, with blood....and even if needed.....with OUR d***!!!!...











Happy holiday!!

This post has been edited by ChanK: Mar 12 2010, 05:04 PM

Current knowledge speculates that a large nos of swiftlets came from Indonesia avoiding the haze that occurred there regularly.
We have had haze problem originating from Indonesia for like 10 years now?
Did the swiftlets choose Malaysia before we encountered the same haze, or they came despite the haze?
(Or may be they came cos they have so many of their human kinfolks here? )
Are the swiftlets now migrating away from Malaysia cos' of the haze or due to the dwindling food source?
I am certain that there are localised observations frm existing BHs that may contribute to a better understanding of these disappearing birds?
Maybe even our increasing frequency of minor earthquake/tremors are having an effect?
As we have seen with the haze, with increased industrialisation, pollution will increasingly be cross boundary.
If after so many years we cant fix the haze problem, are we able to do any better in future?
Most of the burning in Indonesia are reportedly done by our own Malaysian cos operating there!
Soon Indonesia is surely to get more industrialised, and most of these oil palm plantations will be turned over to industrial areas.
Imagine the industrial waste floating over.
In Europe the effect of cross boundary pollution has been observed the last 20 years.
With no apparent local pollution sources, trees were dying and rivers and lakes slowly turning acidic and killing them in the process.

My point being we no longer can find an area that is really free from pollution for very long with the twin evils of environmental degradation and habitat destruction creeping up on us from all directions.


As to Bobby C's point of investing somewhere else, it is always an option.
It will be silly to tie yr money up in an unfavorable environment while options are available.
Whilst all pointers on 1GP indicates an unfavorable situation, they govt is sending mixed signal on the other hand.
http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v5/newsgeneral.php?id=475278
This press report state that the govt is planning to give away Rm5mil as grants to the poor to venture into the industry.
Another RM200mil of our tax money allocated to the banks to be given out as loans for those who wish to go moderate or big scale!!
And of course after a mandatory course.

I shouldnt have spend so much time reading up V1 and continue to hang around picking up tips.
I should just apply to attend this magical course.
Maybe free with another few hundred million available soon for training?
All you sifus here really had me fooled. All that was needed was to attend this course !!! Damn.

Chank,

What holiday????? I thought u alredi retired and everyday is a holiday to u??????

This post has been edited by Lucas 1: Mar 12 2010, 09:19 PM

He meant to have good days ahead. (for us poor working folks)
He doesn't realise for ordinary folks 'Holidays' have a different meaning from his.!!!

School holiday ma..

I thz ChanK will come to Penang again..

Really "ho mia"...

Let just say that the best method to harvest is 3 times a years thus enable the birds to fully reproduce themselve and ensure of a good future for your BH if you are on the right track...providing that you are doing all right and leave the rest to GOD and his swiftlets. Remember that I am never the same wave length as the rest of oldies because I speak from what I believe and not from books of wisdom (Swiftlets). I believe in myself but I do like to read others opinion and wisdom on swiftlets if given a chance and I will implement or at least try theirs if I think that there are logic behind it, otherwise, I call them liar or bluff straight at their faces....... in any professional seminars or at lectures, I don't care; a few consultants hate me for that cos I criticized them without consideration even at seminars cos I was angry that they make us feel like fool and stupid!!!!! I am that type of guy and my lady(wife) always tell me to refrain from doing so as on of these days, someone may just put a bullet in me. I believe that we need to enjoy life and it don't matter how long we live.........don't follow me cos I always pray for all friends here to live to over a hundred.



Coming back to swifltets, my beloved topic. I like to do selective harvesting if I can and these can only be done if you are very free and best if live very close to your BH. Case history, I went up to the BHs and said hello to my precious birds, put back any fallen chicks, did maintenance and repairs and then harvested those nests that birds have fledged. In those way, I had nest all year round and even during monsoon time although during such time, many young chicks died but more did suvive thru monsoon. I never believe that bird's brain are stupid cos the birds will soon recognize you as a friend and won't bother to fly out. After harvesting, a good bath in the pool and feeding the fishes in the pool at the same time...............you all must be getting bored....sori, sori lah.

Increment of bird nests, everybody will like a direct answer but then, there is no such one answer cos it all depend on how you manage your BH, your locations, the weather,time of the year, your neighboring BH owners ( Santuaries providers) or total harvesters and the food supply. Every speaker can give figures, the chart and estimated growth of your BH if you engage them to be your consultant but if that's the truth, he will not be wasting his time giving seminars but instate building BHs after BHs. This is not Oil Palm, Rubber, shepp or cattle farming for this is the industry beyond human control but with proper setup, correct art and sciences, one can assist in ensuring better success and growth than not having it. Like I said it before, sometime when you least expected, your increment for that few months is 100%, Ishaallah, it may happen!!!!!!!

Bye, West Wing's birds story next time hahaha

hi,ChanK, what you mean agriculture lands near to those hotspots area will be selling liked hot cakes...???
it mean its value will increase more more......

This post has been edited by yuyanzhe: Mar 15 2010, 11:27 AM

$200 mil allocation sounds a lot. Lets do a simple calculation. Total number of bhs in the country estimated 50,000 (should be more), total failure of 80% based on statistic, ie >40,000.

If to relocate all and start new in farmland, cost of land acquisition and rebuilding cost say min $300k (cheapest and smallest bh in 1 acre land). 80% 50,000 fail bhs operators so broke already have to apply Agro bank for loan (well if eligible of course), min loan given $150k. $200 mil / $150k loan = 1333 loans; in another words only 1333 'benefitted' out of 40,000 failed or less success operators ie 3.33% of total 'failed' operators in the country being assisted from $200mil relocation cost.

If ministers or deputy ministers cannot do such simple calculation, guess better put our primary school children to take their seats and be voted out in the coming GE. Simply as that!

Simple calculation, simple solution, for the simple minded.


Note:- Fail can means less successful at present. Might take 5yrs, 10yrs, 15yrs or more to break even and generate revenue. So no offence to 80%.

Bobby C,
IMHO You are reading too much hope into the press report.
The gist of the press report is ADDITIONAL NEW OPERATORS, which is the reason training is to be provided.
Nothing in the report allude to giving the amts out to folks wanting to move their shoplot BHs to agri land.
Since these are all new operators (who knows next to nothing abt the biz), it will be obvious that everything will be prescribed, including in my cynical thinking even a standard building (which is the bulk of the capital outlay)
If one has the inclination to, it will all be traced back to a favoured supplier, contractor whatever.
Agro Bank is not a pure commercial bank (it was formerly Bank Pertanian), profit is not the objective of it's existence.
It's merely an cash dispenser of tax money in the name of eradicating poverty thru agri related activities.
Every few decades or so it has to morph into a different name so that folks do not identify the stench associated with it.
Writing abt it is threatening to bring my breakfast out onto my keyboard.

While everyone is hotly debating the 1GP or 1Malaysia, I took the opportunity to visit Sabah to see if there is an opportunity for swiftlet farming. I have also attended a swiftlet farming seminar with a guest speaker from Jabatan Haiwan of Sabah.

Apparently, swiftlet farming in Sabah is not as popular as West Malaysia and Sarawak yet, they are at the infancy stage. However, Sabah has a rich source of natural food for swiftlets and it is just neighbouring to Sarawak and Kalimantan which are swiftlets havens, thus I can see the opportunity there.

When come to the 1GP issue, the speaker from Jab Haiwan mentioned that there could be an approved 1GP but its implementation would still be subjected to the respective local authority (PBT). I was not quite sure what he meant by that. He further informed that the export fee for Sabah is the lowest as they are only charging RM5 per consignment basis while West Malaysia and Sarawak are charging per kg basis.

A friend of mine, a well known LYN member, also took me to visit a few BHs either completed, under construction or proposed. One interesting development proposal from him is that he is proposing to sell a 'lifestyle' concept in a beautiful area. He will be selling an acre land with a standalone BH plus planting with about 400 seedlings of agarwood at about RM580k. 3 years later, the mature trees would be sold back to him at RM500 per tree. I will leave it to the member to interpret the financial return. He had also used his bards call test kit to call the swiftlets. We could see at least 20 swiftlets flying above in less than 5 minutes at around noon time. One may say 20 birds is nothing as compared to the number in other states, but one has to know the no. of BHs in other states and the competition also.

Above are my observation to share with fellow members. Your comments are welcomed.

1GP...
The bulk of the requirements in 1GP came from the PBT, as they have jurisdiction over the land and the premises.
PBTs come under state matter as such have their own state legislation.
Licenses for housing of swiftlets and harvest of nest comes from either Perhilitan or Forestry for Pen M'sia/Sabah and S'wak respectively.

When one talks abt both Sabah & S'wak, A peninsular M'sian tend to forget that their respective Immigration still treat us like foreigners.
Try staying beyond 3 mths. It's easier to get a PR in Australia then in either of these 2 states.
I recall a Peninsular M'sian is not allowed to own any land in S'wak cos' not a local, either that you need to marry one.
It's a little easier in Sabah, but ownership thru a company.
Just my recollection; as at a point in time, I did consider moving there for good.

If not for the immigration nuisance, both places are great places to be.
Folks over there are beautiful people, they ought to be examples of how Malaysia ought to be.
Maybe their immigration is right after all, keeping BAD folks frm Peninsular OUT.
(or refine their Immigration rules and only keep racist politicians out at the risk of a shrunken head)
The 2 states still have a major portion of their natural environment intact.
Just for discussion, not to discourage anyone.

Maybe this fren of yours has the latest on the immigration nuisance.
My info may be out of date.

This post has been edited by Cergau: Mar 15 2010, 06:11 PM

Not sure about this migration theory about Indo haze 10yrs ago but very sure this aerodamus fugiphagus species already in existance in our hometown many donkeys yrs ago.

Read my words Mr Authority sirs, like it or not aerodamus fugiphagus already in existance during our grandfathers age in many towns but nobody cares and my late uncle used to say they were low quality useless nests compares to cave nests and threw them away as nuisance. Now people treat them like gold, unbelievable.

Managed to bring down few of them with paper made catapult(w/o causing death) in my teenage yrs, sometimes kena the house swifts, sometimes kena fugiphagus, noted their size and feathers difference. House swifts were the main target as they were annoying as they made hell lot of noise like early morning alarm clock, haha. Didnt know enemies can become friends one day

Moral of the story:-

i. Aerodamus fugiphagus already in existance in many towns in our grandfathers' yrs. How can you 'migrate' the birds to the farmlands as you wish? You are figiphagus king can speak their language ah? Even if close down all bhs they will be there still, may be stayed under the bridges or under some building structure. We are just provide santuary as WW explained.

ii. If aerodamus fuguphagus want to stay at our abandoned upper shophouses, what can we do, shoo them away they will come back again next wk. Go shooting them with catapult they will come back again after a while cause they love your old shops mah. What are you going to do abt it? Can the law penalise the house owner if pigeons or swifts choose you house as their home? Why dont town councils go after rats then, since they are so enthusiatic? Tat confirm causing nuisance to town folks. Like to see Perhilitan going after rats, wild creatures also mah, so long as classified as 'wild', protected or unprotected, will be under their jurisdiction as they claim ... hehe.

Shoo them away..not enough. Better be more than that BUT w/o harming them.
Remember 1 of the requirement is 1 frm Perhilitan/Forestry to house them?
Else they can charge you for housing the swiftlets w/o license as well as causing harm to a protected specie while trying yr darnest not to house them.

"Like to see Perhilitan going after rats, wild creatures also mah"

Pembetulan dari Perhilitan......memang tikus liar...bila gua balik rumah buta malam ...isteri pun gila liar
Kedua dua ini liar tapi domestik!!!!
bela isteri kena lesen, tikus tak payah-lah

More than 50 years ago, here in some wooden shops housed many swiftlets and my friend is one of those people having swiftlets as next room mate.......one room was practically full with nests and having living with swiftlets for over 25 years until those wooden shoplots burned during the large fire, he assured me that swiftlets shits are harmless as he is still very healthy and strong. Mind you, he still not in BH industry since the wooden shoplots got burned down by firework during one Chinese New Year celebration.

And for that reason, I can be assured that swiftlets are harmless to human as my friend live to tell his story and he is 54...........

This post has been edited by West Wing: Mar 15 2010, 08:55 PM

what is swiftlets in malay?

burung walet