V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus
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 Feb 28 2010, 11:19 PM
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QUOTE(tangsn @ Feb 28 2010, 01:55 AM) Do you realise all this guy is from BN?because of comercial purpose there are here for their own benefit. Hi tangsn,we have to clear them off....let the neutral people be the representative.  It's OK lah! This is a public swiftlet forum . A forumer's political affiliation not important here lah? Cheers bro. |
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Feb 28 2010, 11:21 PM
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Mar 1 2010, 12:00 AM
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Feb 28 2010, 11:13 PM) The typo error-prone 1GP posted in this forum obviously can't be the actual GP presented to the cabinet. Unless our esteem cabinet is willing to lower down it self to the same standard of that crappy report and accept it as a formal documents. The typo errors were typical common errors of OCS (Optical Character Recognition), a built-in software for most scanner.  a good case study.No offence intended bro. A classic demonstration of human communication It started out as a crappy DRAFT 1GP, folks decided to refer to their assoc to verify authencity. Along the way, the message got mangled. The same crap has gone full circle and now being known as a crappy Cabinet paper. aeiou228, All of us realised that this cant be the paper for the Cabinet when 1st sighted. But then this is all that was available on the week of the Cabinet discussion. Back to communication problem again,.... folks in the know are not sharing the info. Or maybe there is none to share. Always got silver lining-lah. Now more people poking around for a good copy of the latest draft 1GP. Hopefully someone with the proper connection post it here-lah. When WW checked with local assoc they weren't even aware there was 1 floating around, why the assoc never asked for 1???? Maybe they didnt even know when the Cabinet was to discuss it, good assoc reps these flers. Now all perked up and on everyone's lips, so if finally released and proved unfavorable, the reaction will be swift and furious. Yeah, I noticed the gibberish characters. It was either OCRed or PDF generator error. BTW it came from an official regional source, not central; and was subsequently verified as a draft. How draft is this 1GP draft is anybody's guess. |
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Mar 1 2010, 10:03 AM
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chan k,
that's prove my point that most of the association are pretty crap to me. i been involve in some Residential Association in housing as well. Its the similar thing when people initially started it of with high interest in Security issues but neglected other issues. Might as well name a Security Association but y using the name of the Residential to camo their real intention. Then they neglected other main problems after Security Issues were implemented. As for the website thing, association must be informative and even creating interesting bird nest news or newsletter but did they do it. It does not have to be a website but how do we reach them if i don't have their address. I guess i must use the oldest method , Yellow page. I get into that later. Of course any members would like to read a clarification or benefits for joining as members. There were associations that were so lay back and keep giving excuses of "No fund" "No Manpower" etc... All these are the opposite of Napoleon Hill's Grow Rich and Think Rich. Why would anybody want to join such association. Anyway, past is past like u said. im sure someday, some one read in this forum might see this an opportunity such as creating a more informative website, forums etc for swiftlet interest. This is a good joint venture to start things fresh and create an online magazine for updating news. |
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Mar 1 2010, 10:34 AM
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It is my sincere hope that this forum is to educate fellow Malaysian on the art and science of swiftlets sanctuaries and since now, there are critical and more urgent matter to address to first like whether we can last thru the storm.
With these in mind, we should not be pro BN nor pro opposition here but all pro swiftlets for our own survivors, our swiftlets plus our country future as well. We all may be of difference in politic but in swiftlets concerned, I think that we are all for the swiftlets, may it be in town, in agriculture land or Eco and although Eco was never friendly to us before but hopefully, they will come to their senses that without us in town and agriculture land, they would fail badly!!!!! I truly hope that the Eco men will support us from now so as to have some changes to fulfill their own ambition of a bigger scale. Like Dr. M once said; "when we were in trouble, no matter if it's a white or black cat, if it catches rats, it is a good cat". So, let us do the same, all united with only one goal, to save the industry by putting our personal feelings and agendas aside........Love you all but love the swiftlets more!!!!!! Sorry to say that I still haven't got any feedback from my source and maybe, some here do have and if so, pls. share so all may sleep well tonight. God bless you all and may all my wrongs be forgiven. ps. we are not just burning our anger and frustration here and doing nothing but to let the world know that we are facing a crisis here and that the authorities also do read it here and that they should know that we, the protectors of swiftlets are against the GP1. Internet is the best venue, I believe. |
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Mar 1 2010, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 1 2010, 11:34 AM) It is my sincere hope that this forum is to educate fellow Malaysian on the art and science of swiftlets sanctuaries and since now, there are critical and more urgent matter to address to first like whether we can last thru the storm. It wasn't Tun M but Deng Xioa Ping who commented on the rat catching abilities of cats.With these in mind, we should not be pro BN nor pro opposition here but all pro swiftlets for our own survivors, our swiftlets plus our country future as well. We all may be of difference in politic but in swiftlets concerned, I think that we are all for the swiftlets, may it be in town, in agriculture land or Eco and although Eco was never friendly to us before but hopefully, they will come to their senses that without us in town and agriculture land, they would fail badly!!!!! I truly hope that the Eco men will support us from now so as to have some changes to fulfill their own ambition of a bigger scale. Like Dr. M once said; "when we were in trouble, no matter if it's a white or black cat, if it catches rats, it is a good cat". So, let us do the same, all united with only one goal, to save the industry by putting our personal feelings and agendas aside........Love you all but love the swiftlets more!!!!!! Sorry to say that I still haven't got any feedback from my source and maybe, some here do have and if so, pls. share so all may sleep well tonight. God bless you all and may all my wrongs be forgiven. ps. we are not just burning our anger and frustration here and doing nothing but to let the world know that we are facing a crisis here and that the authorities also do read it here and that they should know that we, the protectors of swiftlets are against the GP1. Internet is the best venue, I believe. Is 1M colorblind? What is needed is perhaps what was described as an acid test for legislature which is "........ is able to produce order and justice in the relationships between man and man and between man and the State" |
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Mar 1 2010, 01:19 PM
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Mar 1 2010, 10:03 AM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « There;s plenty of potential to change things right here and as it is. This forum is VERY active, just navigate backwards and check the stats. There were 150,000 hits on this specific subforum alone. It is 2nd only to the stock market subforum. If Seeseng is agreeable we can talk with Admin for top level listing and other potentials. An association is as good as the members. Dun worry abt the brick and mortar type associations, some will die a natural death from neglect. Folks online here are the cream of the active members already. Some may be members of these brick and mortar assoc too. Like soneone already mentioned, nothing to stop someone from becoming members of multiple assoc. See for yrself how in times of trouble folks gravitate towards this forum for info? Use/recycle any registered (in the interest of time) dormant assoc (was offered earlier on here). Here I am not so sure (mayb the sifus can offer advice).. change the AA to accept online polls or whatever to make this forum the communication channel of this association. Meeting can be held online and an occasional face to face sitdown ones. 1)Polls can be rigged up right here (not very sure). 2)Make registration compulsory for a small fee (aka memebrship fee) and contribute back to LowYat for the support or whatever ...can discuss 3)If successful we can also cater to the non-online fellas too, use twitter, surely even the oldest guy has a hp now. 4)No need to attract people with nice informative articles...we have a ready audience already...safely thousands (out of the 150,000 hits) start a micro wiki for swiftlet farming from past posting. (I know it takes 2 weeks full time to get thru V1). 5)If done properly it merely an online assocition/community and since it's formed properly, it has legitimacy of representation, So we impose on the govt to nego with us or at least inlude us in their discussion. 6)We offer both personal and assoc membership. so we naturally becomes the Fed or umbrella by sheer nos. Not just by name. 7)Make the registration a no brainer in terms of cost..maybe rm5, so other assoc will join an associates. Details can be worked out, 1 obvious problem is when so cheap, politicians can create false assoc by putting down Rm1,000,000 can create a 200,000 member assco if rm5. So more to think -la, Seeseng what u think, or I am just talking ayam jantan. Comments pls, My 2 bit to generate discussions. This post has been edited by Cergau: Mar 1 2010, 01:24 PM |
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Mar 1 2010, 01:23 PM
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QUOTE(tomytan @ Mar 1 2010, 12:50 PM) It wasn't Tun M but Deng Xioa Ping who commented on the rat catching abilities of cats. WW must have seen too many nests or knows very little about Malaysian politician. How can Dr.M not color blind. He is most racism and totally blind. If he become the adviser for the cabinet for proposing the legislative and law for Swiftlet farming then Swiftlet farming is solely for Bumiputra only. Is 1M colorblind? What is needed is perhaps what was described as an acid test for legislature which is "........ is able to produce order and justice in the relationships between man and man and between man and the State" To name a few : Mineral and Oil, Automotive, Aerospace |
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Mar 1 2010, 02:17 PM
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QUOTE(Cergau @ Mar 1 2010, 01:19 PM) Fret not, Hackwire, I think I do seriously agree with you that this forum is one of the best resources so far for all bird nest enthusiast. If V1 and V2 combined , we can extract quite a number or criterias relevant for the industry and also a tool book for beginners to expert already.There;s plenty of potential to change things right here and as it is. This forum is VERY active, just navigate backwards and check the stats. There were 150,000 hits on this specific subforum alone. It is 2nd only to the stock market subforum. If Seeseng is agreeable we can talk with Admin for top level listing and other potentials. An association is as good as the members. Dun worry abt the brick and mortar type associations, some will die a natural death from neglect. Folks online here are the cream of the active members already. Some may be members of these brick and mortar assoc too. Like soneone already mentioned, nothing to stop someone from becoming members of multiple assoc. See for yrself how in times of trouble folks gravitate towards this forum for info? Use/recycle any registered (in the interest of time) dormant assoc (was offered earlier on here). Here I am not so sure (mayb the sifus can offer advice).. change the AA to accept online polls or whatever to make this forum the communication channel of this association. Meeting can be held online and an occasional face to face sitdown ones. 1)Polls can be rigged up right here (not very sure). 2)Make registration compulsory for a small fee (aka memebrship fee) and contribute back to LowYat for the support or whatever ...can discuss 3)If successful we can also cater to the non-online fellas too, use twitter, surely even the oldest guy has a hp now. 4)No need to attract people with nice informative articles...we have a ready audience already...safely thousands (out of the 150,000 hits) start a micro wiki for swiftlet farming from past posting. (I know it takes 2 weeks full time to get thru V1). 5)If done properly it merely an online assocition/community and since it's formed properly, it has legitimacy of representation, So we impose on the govt to nego with us or at least inlude us in their discussion. 6)We offer both personal and assoc membership. so we naturally becomes the Fed or umbrella by sheer nos. Not just by name. 7)Make the registration a no brainer in terms of cost..maybe rm5, so other assoc will join an associates. Details can be worked out, 1 obvious problem is when so cheap, politicians can create false assoc by putting down Rm1,000,000 can create a 200,000 member assco if rm5. So more to think -la, Seeseng what u think, or I am just talking ayam jantan. Comments pls, My 2 bit to generate discussions. And the numbers of blog and company url address continue to grow in this forum . A book could be easily published in PDF already . An author can be hired to extract all relevant issues and use it as a case study of this industry. the research materials here is now going to be regurgitated and later turn into saliva for making good books and than profits for this new association with low yat loyalty fees included... anyway, i don't knof of any people to contact about the information on 1GP and the Cabinet meetings to be held somewhere in this month. There's no Public Forum to check on the pro and cons is it? |
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Mar 1 2010, 03:06 PM
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QUOTE(Lucas 1 @ Feb 21 2010, 10:44 PM) Why don't you all start to liaise with among few of u through phone 1st for details and decide for a date and time and then post here to openly invite the other volunteers directly contact or join you? Get the other to pm u to give their hps....Sometimes, not many wish their identity exposed openly here....despite they are keen to help and participate...... All,Any progress on this? Is MALAYSIA BIRD’S NEST MERCHANTS ASSOCIATION (MBNMA) dormant and can be reactivated. What needs doing in assuming the use of this assoc. I am out of my depth here. I am (as per my prev post) interested to revive the assoc to legitimise this online forum as an assoc. Is that feasible.??? Sifus???? I dropped DL an email on an add (dlyc7888) which I used months ago. But silence....since. Someone mentioned he's retired from activism, so I am hesitant to call him. (if the hp nos are still good??) |
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Mar 1 2010, 05:10 PM
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QUOTE(Semuabumi @ Mar 1 2010, 01:23 PM) WW must have seen too many nests or knows very little about Malaysian politician. How can Dr.M not color blind. He is most racism and totally blind. If he become the adviser for the cabinet for proposing the legislative and law for Swiftlet farming then Swiftlet farming is solely for Bumiputra only. Really, DM isn't the right guy to mention but then Deng is a communist and the Govt. doesn't take kindly anything from the C, by the C or of the C. Still better to mention that it is from DM, do you agree? Then, everyone will listen as like before cos' no one dare to offend him..........cos he never forget, you know!To name a few : Mineral and Oil, Automotive, Aerospace About EBN, honestly. I stop counting nests long long time ago...........and I knew none of the new generation of politicians...just those either retired or rest in peace. So, young men of the forum, you all must now take control and lead as many oldies like me are like tigers no doubt but toothless tigers that can roar but cannot bite lah. Hahaha |
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Mar 1 2010, 07:39 PM
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Hi Everyone,
Regardless of the authenticity of the "published" 1GP, the consequences of the pending Cabinet meeting and affiliations to various associations, My opinion is that all of us should look into professional legal advice as to whether it is legal/possible for the impending National Guidelines for Swiftlet Ranching, when gazetted, be retroactive. In other words, if a swiftlet rancher had built following existing gazetted guidlelines,( or in the absence of Guidlines) how will the NEW guidelines affect them. Of course if an existing rancher had built contravening any existing laws then that has to be rectified as per existing legislation and probably if this is not rectified before the new guidelines are gazetted then the new guidelines will have to be adhered to. No doubt any guidelines will affect many of us in one way or another so proper legal representation should be sought. Any advice in this aspect will be welcome. Move forward and anticipate the next course for action. Complacency is the cause of much of our woes. |
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Mar 1 2010, 07:49 PM
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Mar 1 2010, 09:47 PM
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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Mar 1 2010, 07:39 PM) Hi Everyone, Hi tuckfook,Regardless of the authenticity of the "published" 1GP, the consequences of the pending Cabinet meeting and affiliations to various associations, My opinion is that all of us should look into professional legal advice as to whether it is legal/possible for the impending National Guidelines for Swiftlet Ranching, when gazetted, be retroactive. In other words, if a swiftlet rancher had built following existing gazetted guidlelines,( or in the absence of Guidlines) how will the NEW guidelines affect them. Of course if an existing rancher had built contravening any existing laws then that has to be rectified as per existing legislation and probably if this is not rectified before the new guidelines are gazetted then the new guidelines will have to be adhered to. No doubt any guidelines will affect many of us in one way or another so proper legal representation should be sought. Any advice in this aspect will be welcome. Move forward and anticipate the next course for action. Complacency is the cause of much of our woes. thks for the update. 1)Is your opinion post or pre consultation with the lady Dr? 2)Even if it's not possible to implement retroactively, respite ends upon expiry of the annual license. 3)In my layman opinion, the guidelines are what it is, guidelines It will require gazetting at the state level to have effect of law (with or without state enhancements?). Only way it can be made NON-retroactive is knowing how many exist NOW (ie pre implementation) and to exclude them. Last known effort at registration in N9, it was made known that all registartion are on hold till guidelines issued. So, there are mixed signals, no clear indication. Added on March 1, 2010, 10:50 pm QUOTE(ChanK @ Mar 1 2010, 07:49 PM) » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « thks for yr advice. If the supposedly assoc is active, and not readily available for use, it is quite pointless to start a new one. It make more sense to join existing ones and influence from within. Going back to holidays already. We have not advanced an inch. Nothing has changed. Do you know something that most of us dont? This post has been edited by Cergau: Mar 1 2010, 10:50 PM |
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Mar 1 2010, 11:12 PM
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Mar 2 2010, 10:09 AM
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QUOTE(ChanK @ Mar 1 2010, 11:12 PM) I was informed (pls double check again) that the report is not the 1GP, 1GP is still finalizing.....how sure? i going for holiday loh so i think is real (meaning peace of mind!!....no need go any where, just somewhere that i can sit back, enjoy my RM1.30 teh C and RM0.80 roti canai.... "If it's a I have checked out that the alleged Draft 1GP that in my opinion it is a hoax. It was totally different from what we resolved in the Seramban Workshop. The actual one is still undergoing the finalization stage. Sound like from DL, isn't it?????"""""""""""""any other bro's here got any new info? But........this might happen again.......in the meantime...better enjoy ur life first loh....but still pls join the association to change them and help to govern those association napoleons... RECEIVED AN EMAIL FROM THE TRUE LEADER.....in fact after reading it....i am crying.... how i wish we have more of these leaders ....but i think they are a new batch of younger generation leaders up n coming... (not sure should shares this email or not in forum)ood luck. UNITY IS STRENGTH. THE ONLY TIME EVILS TRIUMPHÂ IS WHEN ALL THE GOOD MEN AND WOMEN ARE DOING NOTHING. Regards, [/color] If it's a HOAX!!!!! shit and double bird shit, don't we all look stupid, I don't know you all but I do........look like what we have proposed, compromised and agreed to @ Seremban Workshop may still stand, Alhamduellah............ Don't worry cos if the they take the Seremban's proposals, most of us will be happy with exception of a few like those who like loud music, window types entrance and residential area. With the Seremban's proposals, at least we will survive with our BHs intact with least damages and losses. Don't blame me as I wasn't invited to the second workshop and even the first workshop, I was smuggled in by DL and I was glad that I did cos I did very well there and have no regret and my swiftlets will be proud of me. Happy Tiger's Year, everyone @ Forum.... This post has been edited by West Wing: Mar 2 2010, 10:13 AM |
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Mar 2 2010, 10:48 AM
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Mar 2 2010, 11:09 AM) "If it's a I have checked out that the alleged Draft 1GP that in my opinion it is a hoax. It was totally different from what we resolved in the Seramban Workshop. The actual one is still undergoing the finalization stage. Sound like from DL, isn't it?????""""""""""""" A hoax? ...............hmmn, a Trojan, maybe?If it's a HOAX!!!!! shit and double bird shit, don't we all look stupid, I don't know you all but I do........look like what we have proposed, compromised and agreed to @ Seremban Workshop may still stand, Alhamduellah............ Don't worry cos if the they take the Seremban's proposals, most of us will be happy with exception of a few like those who like loud music, window types entrance and residential area. With the Seremban's proposals, at least we will survive with our BHs intact with least damages and losses. Don't blame me as I wasn't invited to the second workshop and even the first workshop, I was smuggled in by DL and I was glad that I did cos I did very well there and have no regret and my swiftlets will be proud of me. Happy Tiger's Year, everyone @ Forum.... |
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Mar 2 2010, 11:52 AM
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My apologies again guys (and gals) for sending out the wrong GP. I I truly loved and appreciated the prompt and passionate responses though. I agree with Shen that if we are able to get a copy of the latest draft of the GP, the associations can also circulate the same to all their members so that the members can manage their expectations of what their new obligations are. From Secretary-General SMI Association of Penang Received a copy of the above letter from a friend, someone must be playing dirty trick on us. This is very bad joke to play.....and why isn't the final draft provided to the states Associations, our local Associations cos we, the swiftlet's sanctuaries providers have the right to know as it shall determine our future and life. There shouldn't be any secrecy to the matter as it is of the raayat's right to know. |
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Mar 2 2010, 12:08 PM
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Dear WW. Tomytan,
I would like to repeat here my reply to tuckfook and I quote "All of us realised that this cant be the paper for the Cabinet when 1st sighted. But then this is all that was available on the week of the Cabinet discussion. How draft is this 1GP draft is anybody's guess." May I please request that we do not use strong words like 'HOAX'. It gives the impression that it was distributed with BAD intent, calculated to create confusion and mayhem. Which I do not think the case. I can't see a reason for such actions from the authorities. A fully armed and ready army intent on resistance is not to the authorities advantage incase of unfavorable guidelines. Or maybe the authorities are great chess players? This is exactly their intentions? ie creating distrust amongst us? We have fallen into a trap of our own creation, irrespective of the existence of this real or imagined ill intent by the authorities. Let's call it VERY DRAFT 1GP or for the more imaginative amongst us...CRAPPY DRAFT 1GP. Cool bros. my 2 bit WW, You hit the issue on the head with yr Qs "why isn't the final draft provided to the states Associations," In the letter posted, it is being finalised over next few days. So the next course of action. I suggest Proactively ask assoc to request nicely for copy to 'proof read' before Cabinet viewing. This post has been edited by Cergau: Mar 2 2010, 12:16 PM |
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Mar 2 2010, 06:50 PM
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Here, I wish to express my unreserved and sincerely apologies to all those that I have forwarded the 1GP cos I never have the intention to cause embarrassment or even calling some by names which I now regret and remorse .....as I should have check my information more carefully before accusing and condemning some for not doing anything to help.
Those who are involved in the preparation, please forgive me here for calling you names and hope that you still are doing all you can for the swiftlets, BHs owners and the nation. Remember that all that have said and done are for the sake of the nation's wealth and also our future generations. So, hopefully that we do not make such silly mistake again cos' it's deeply hurt those who did help and was called Names!!!! Otherwise, no one will be willing to help us in future. Again, as always......above are my own feeling on the matter which consider settled until the truth comes.....but nothing can be worst then the one forwarded... Birds News!!!! Don't need to have your eyes check up cos you ar not seeing double or multiple cos swiftlets are really back and in hugh quantity these time. Have been into many BHs and all are showing hugh improvement ....much much better than last year. Pls. never blast your tweeter cos you will not end up having more birds but more complaints only. |
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