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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Dec 14 2009, 10:11 AM

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產量外銷.林立田地
適耕莊近300間燕屋

報導:蘇天賜

適耕莊燕屋如雨后春筍般林立,一個月內19間新燕屋轟立,目前還在增加中。
(適耕莊10日訊)適耕莊引燕行業再創新高,單是上個月就出現19間新燕屋,令區內燕屋攀升至近300間,燕屋、燕窩成“魚米之鄉”吸引遊客新點!

林立在田地的燕屋與日俱增,愈來愈多空置店屋改為引燕屋,區內外人士搶到適耕莊發展引燕業。

《中國報》記者巡視“魚米之鄉“時,發現適耕莊經濟發展蓬勃,從傳統海洋撈捕業到陸面种稻業,目前發展至空中的引燕業。

農民挪地建造

遊走在適耕莊,頭頂飛燕數目尤如夜間繁星,耳邊還不時傳來群燕叫聲。

業者透露,適耕莊是引燕寶地,因當地以農耕為主,害虫不絕,不僅能供燕子大量食物,也能為稻田、果園等除害虫,它可謂人類的“益鳥”。

“因此,適耕莊所引的屋燕,較其他地方大,燕子數目也日益增多,國內燕窩產量也僅次于霹靂實兆遠,而且還遠銷至中國。”

他們說,適耕莊引燕業約10年前冒起,在8年前當地僅約10間燕屋,惟近兩年迅速崛起,保守估計,目前當地約有300間燕屋,數目仍在增加,在上個月就有19間燕屋建竣。

此外,他們說,由于燕窩比稻谷價更高,故此許多農民挪出部分田地建3層樓高燕屋,甚至有外人與農民合作,共同在田地投資燕屋,目前從沙白到丹絨加弄,甚至到瓜雪,都能看見一棟棟燕屋林立在田地上。

他們說,由于當地二樓以上單位多數空置,惟引燕風氣盛行,許多業主特把空置多時的單位,改為會產燕窩的“黃金屋”。

政府受促推出引燕指南

一隻燕子在燕屋下榻一晚,能為業者帶來25仙利潤,圖為正學飛的幼燕。
迄今未有引燕指南,業者心憂心慌!

適耕莊天堂烏燕窩銷售有限公司東主謝耀城指出,雖然業者多番催促政府赶緊推出引燕指南,惟迄今仍未出爐。

他說,由于未有指南,許多業者感到前途茫茫,憂心指南推出后,政府會以各种理由,如地點不適、衛生、噪音等問題逼拆燕屋,屆時業者可能面臨重大損失。

許多人也不敢大量投資引燕行業,使發展受限。”

他說,我國引燕業前景廣大,獲國內外許多投資者青睞,一旦擬定引燕指南,相信會給我國注入強大經濟發展動力,也能為國家掙獲更多外匯。

此外,他說,未免給鄰近居民帶來噪音困擾,業者通常在早上7時至傍晚7時播燕啼聲引燕;業者也相當注重燕屋的衛生情況,加上燕子是不著地的鳥,所以沒病毒或細菌傳染之隱憂。

他解釋,他本身也為他人設計燕屋,一所燕屋最注重衛生、防熱、光線及濕度,因此,燕屋內除了要有吸引燕子的擴音器,還要濕度調節器。

他說,業者無需喂食燕子,因為它們會自尋昆虫來吃;它們也無需喂水,因為它們只喝空氣中的霧水,業者只需定期採燕和清理燕屋即可。

為業者帶來巨利
田地變燕屋黃金地

一隻燕子“入住”一天,為業者帶來25仙利潤;適耕莊養引業者名言:“你引燕子三年,燕子養你一世”!

適耕莊天堂烏燕窩銷售有限公司東主謝耀城說,海內外燕窩需求量日漸高,尤其中國燕窩市場前景一片大好,若遠銷中國,價格肯定翻倍。

他說,亞洲燕窩出產地以我國及印尼較著名,其中東馬以洞燕聞名,西馬屋燕也頗負勝名,許多中國客皆把燕窩當成送禮、滋補及身分象征的必備品,市場大好。

他說,依据規定,約每公傾田地都能建立一棟建築,田地目前被視為“黃金地”,許多農民為求更高收入,特挪出部分田地建燕屋。

他解釋,目前在田地建3層高燕屋,約投資100萬令吉;若將約20X80平方呎店屋改為燕屋,投資額約4萬令吉,通常3年才見回酬,若幸運兩年就稍有斬獲。

“若成功吸引燕子,一間2年的燕屋,每月燕窩產量約1公斤(約20至30粒燕窩);若是6年燕屋,一周燕窩產量約2公斤,特建的3層樓燕屋,比店屋改造的燕屋產量來得高。”

他說,普通燕窩價格波動較大,在今年初每公斤白燕約2000令吉,如今已飆升至4000令吉,目前未經加工的燕盞每公斤4000令吉至5000令吉,高價時可達6000令吉以上。

擔心誤購黑心貨
屋燕燕窩漸受歡迎

消費者擔心誤購添色、漂白燕窩,屋燕燕窩漸受消費者喜愛。

適耕莊天堂烏燕窩銷售有限公司東主謝耀城解釋,故名思義,“屋燕”是指在屋內所養的燕子,而“洞燕”則是在山洞內的自然燕子。

他說,兩者營養差別不大,蛋白質皆相當豐富,惟洞燕因來自山洞,所以礦物質較高。由于礦物質關係,給山洞內的燕窩染上許多顏色,如黃色、淡黃、紅色等,之后成為市面上的血燕、金絲燕等。

他說,由于屋燕無礦物質,所以屋燕肯定屬“白燕”。不過屋燕較容易採取,也較洞燕衛生。

“燕窩是燕子鳥巢,燕子在燕窩上住越久,粘在燕窩的羽毛更多,較難清理;而屋燕較易打理,業者也定時採燕窩,所以屋燕羽毛較少,較易處理。”

他續說,燕窩以“燕盞”為最貴,因為“燕盞”除毛技術較高,過程難而复雜。

他說,可惜有者卻嫌麻煩,沒把羽毛除干凈,索性拿“燕盞”漂白,由于屋燕所粘的羽毛較少,較易處理干凈,較不需“漂白風險”。

他說,除“燕盞”外,其他白燕都是用水浸泡后,讓燕窩膨脹散開,之后在細挑羽毛,完全處理干凈后,再把燕窩放在模內烘干;惟此過程讓燕窩密度較鬆,消費者也擔心有不良加工,所以價格較“燕盞”低。

“雖然血燕、金絲燕目前在中國需求量高價高,但許多中國客和消費者意識到,市場上許多血燕、金絲燕都經過添色處理,所以也開始唾棄,漸漸轉愛屋燕。”

燕窩需求量增

燕窩需求量,尤其中國市場需求激增,所以我國引燕業前景擴大;目前許多業者都將燕窩外銷至中國,而且價格翻倍。

早前我國引燕業不盛行,故此外國人僅懂印尼屋燕,當時國內許多業者皆需借用印尼出產命號,把燕窩外銷他國。

如今我國屋燕蓬勃發展,許多業者從引燕、採燕、加工、包裝及銷售,皆一條龍式自己包辦,試圖打響自家品牌,刷亮我國燕窩招牌,如今我國屋燕在外也頗負勝名。

帶來豐厚利潤

適耕莊漁村引燕業在七八年前冒頭,初時許多人都誤以為引燕回酬不高,所以甚少人愿意投資。在近兩年,引燕業才在適耕莊迅速蓬勃發展。

目前漁村內至少蓋了10多間燕屋,有些漁行業者更善用空間,利用底層做漁行交易買賣,中間層充當辦工室,而第3層則改造燕屋。

我本身在瓜雪亞參爪哇(ASSAM JAWA)有間燕屋,而引燕確實有利可圖,燕子一年可繁殖4次,每次至少生產3粒蛋,因此燕子數量會不停增加。同時,若成功吸引燕子,每月都可到燕屋採燕,雖僅能採20%燕窩,但利潤已相當豐厚。

發展迎頭趕上

雖然實兆遠引燕業全國居冠,惟適耕莊燕子體形較大,燕業發展也迎頭赶上實逃遠。

適耕莊田地多,是引燕寶地,因為田地蚊虫多,燕子的食物充裕,也可為農民除虫害。

据悉,政府規定每1.3公傾的田地,都可建一座建築物,許多稻農挪出部分田地蓋燕屋;在這兩年間,矗立在田地的燕屋,至少增加30間。
is sekincan still a good place to invest swiftlet BH?????even got 300 BH already,how you think about this small town compare setiawan???
is there still got many swiftlt from these paddy field town?
i heard some ppl said that this town got many bird, is it true? who can give me opinion...thanks
coz i want to invest 3 unit 5 storey bh at these each unit paddy field land.

sekincan is good place???from the newspaper..
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are u sure u wont have problem with the authority on the licensing and illegal bh got massacred by the wild life dept after all the post were put up above of you?

think properly lo...


Added on December 14, 2009, 10:27 am
QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 12 2009, 07:14 PM)
The Star .Satturday December 12, 2009
Dilemma over RM1bil swiftlet nest trade
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KUALA LUMPUR: The swiftlet nest industry is highly lucrative with an annual turnover reaching RM1bil.

#And many more billions if the Government allows …….

Local authorities are against having swiftlet farms in towns as they can cause nuisance to the public and pollute the environment.

#If that the problems, then it’s easy…just give reasonable guidelines for the Swiftlets Sanctuaries Providers to obey and follow.

But in Sarawak where there are over 1,500 such farms operating illegally in towns, any attempt to eradicate them will impact negatively on the industry.

#What’s so illegal about the swiftlets Sanctuaries, and if it is illegal, then action must have taken years ago. Just that proper guidelines have yet be issued to ensure that there will be no problem or nuisance in the future.

The licensing issue cropped up last year after the authorities conducted an exercise to clear up illegal swiftlet farms in Mukah town.

#The Action taken because of hidden agenda and that clean up exercise was infact illegal and action should be taken against the wildlife department for causing the death of so many swiftlets that should protected according to their wildlife acts and laws. What’s about the forced entry? Why didn’t the department taken those who supposedly broke the law to court but instead use force to break in and killed all the swiftlets’ chicks and eggs; all done under the pretext of protecting the so called wild swiftlets. 

Furthermore, the Sarawak’s 1998 Wildlife Protection Ordinance also prohibits the species from being bred in other than its natural habitat like the caves. Prohibited  other than its natural habitat then doesn’t the following sound foolish?

1. Sarawak’s Forestry Department director Datuk Len Talif Salleh said the state government wanted the industry to be developed in a controlled manner in accordance with the laws.
2. Len Talif pointed out that only about 100 licenses had been approved from the 600 to 700 applications received since May.
3. “Most of the licenses approved are for the ‘old-players’ who conform to the prerequisites,” he said.
4. All of the licenses were issued for swiftlet farms in Mukah, Bintulu, Kuching, Kota Samarahan and Sarikei with all of them in agricultural areas.
5. The good news is, the state government plans to build three swiftlet ecoparks in Mukah, Sarikei and Bintulu with lots to be sold and rented out to those who are keen.
#In accordance with the Law.  Does that mean that ECOPARKS  are natural habitat for swiftlets and why the town BH isn’t?; The industry to be develop in a controlled manner  according to the laws (which Law) but the State wildlife law only allow the swiftlets to be bred in natural habitat and it seem that rich and influential people (the ECOPARKS Men)  are the only ones that can bypass the law and what does it means by controlled manner;

#Licenses approved for old players only and to me, it sound double standard or something fishes going on; All the licnese were issued for swiftlets farms in agriculture areas but that’s also against the wildlife law and does the law has two sided  interpretation; 

The good news is that the state government plan to build three ECOPARKS

#and now we all know why  and doesn’t that sound stupid? Should have said that the state government is going to dig 3 large caves to provide natural habitat  for the swiftlets to breed and populate.

The swiftlet nest from this country is of high quality and is highly sought in China and Arab with prices fetching up to RM10,000 per kilo.

#That’s why they are interested in…by the powerful Eco men.
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Looking at the article and your feed back, it shows how little understanding of the principle in the governance and a disgrace to the two walking leg species considered to be the most intelligent mammal in history.

Ecopark name sounds great to every investor and players. What is the category or the monetary values of this membership now? RM 1million ?
Does this mean , this is the end of the small players in the future soon?

Can you imagine if Indonesia or Thailand still the small players market than how will these ecopark big players compete with the small one which have lower investment to operate and lesser housing loan as well. have we studied the success of ecopark bird nest value yet?



This post has been edited by hackwire: Dec 14 2009, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 14 2009, 10:11 AM)
are u sure u wont have problem with the authority on the licensing and illegal bh got massacred by the wild life dept after all the post were put up above of you?

think properly lo...


Added on December 14, 2009, 10:27 am
Looking at the article and your feed back, it shows how little understanding of the principle in the governance and a disgrace to the two walking leg species considered to be the most intelligent mammal in history.

Ecopark name sounds great to every investor and players. What is the category or the monetary values of this membership now? RM 1million ?
Does this mean , this is the end of the small players in the future soon?

Can you imagine if Indonesia or Thailand still the small players market than how will these ecopark big players compete with the small one which have lower investment to operate and lesser housing loan as well. have we studied the success of ecopark bird nest value yet?
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have problem with the authority?
just invest BH in agriculture land, is it really illegal???
i dun think so... notworthy.gif
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post Dec 14 2009, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(sosos @ Dec 14 2009, 11:02 AM)
have problem with the authority?
just invest BH in agriculture land, is it really illegal???
i dun think so... notworthy.gif
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BH in commercial properties sure have problem with the public and authorities unless u buy up the whole row of shoplots...
im not sure about the agricultural land , maybe some sifus here can shed some light .

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QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 14 2009, 12:12 PM)
BH in commercial properties sure have problem with the public and authorities unless u buy up the whole row of shoplots...
im not sure about the agricultural land , maybe some sifus here can shed some light .
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You are mistaken; Even buying the whole street doesn't make the difference at all.....when the Authorities want you to move, you either fight or move. Unless you are the MB, then it is different.

And as for the agriculture land, at present here, you must make sure that the land is not in the Bandar area, otherwise, you will share the same fate as the rest of the town BHs. Do it in Mukin according with the present guidelines (who know if they are going to change it again) so as to be safer side but that doesn't give you 100% assurance as long as the ECO man is there. They will throw at you even with the kitchen sink,,,hahahaha, just joking lah!!!

Anyway, we all shall learn to be positive about everything as things may not as bad as what we think and I am not here to scare you all but that we wish to let all @ forum know what to expect if these things do happen for at least, you die knowing why and be prepared for a good funeral.

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 14 2009, 06:23 PM)
You are mistaken; Even buying the whole street doesn't make the difference at all.....when the Authorities want you to move, you either fight or move. Unless you are the MB, then it is different.

And as for the agriculture land, at present here, you must make sure that the land is not in the Bandar area, otherwise, you will share the same fate as the rest of the town BHs. Do it in Mukin according with the present guidelines (who know if they are going to change it again) so as to be safer side but that doesn't give you 100% assurance as long as the ECO man is there. They will throw at you even with the kitchen sink,,,hahahaha, just joking lah!!!

Anyway, we all shall learn to be positive about everything as things may not as bad as what we think and I am not here to scare you all but that we wish to let all @ forum know what to expect if these things do happen for at least, you die knowing why and be prepared for a good funeral.

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i just want to know if singapore got BH ?
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I can't imagine the jurisdictional nightmare and red tape faced by a BH owner in Singapore, if there is any. Singapore has strict standards and doesn't compromise. At least here in Malaysia we can bribe officials. Haha! (it's a joke, mind you).

Anyone here that has access to the yet to be released GAHP by DVS?

Calculated risks... for both agri land and commercial lots/shops. Either one, there will be some sort of risk or loophole the authorities let it be DVS, Perhilitan or PBT can take advantage to 'assault' ones BH. Weight every aspect... foresee each problem and anticipate possible solutions. This is somewhat a tactical war (well, i make it a personal war to ensure us swiftlet sanctuary providers survive (thanks again for the term WW)... tak kisah la commercial lot or agri land). Keep that in mind.
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 14 2009, 09:05 PM)
i just want to know if singapore got BH ?
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Singapore.....the Singapore authorities will stop you even before you can start building one but then, at least you know where you stand and the Sing authorities are always none compromising and non negotiating at all. So, in Singapore, at least you know where you stand but here, Hari ini boleh, Besok tak boleh and if they disallow the BHs @ town during the initial time, no one will suffer and we will not have birdnests to boost about either. Malaysia will not be able to talk about how we can be the NO.1 in this industry. Before, they allowed you, later, they want some guidelines with it and now, they want to reconsider and later they want you to move out. The show may go on and on.............. so frustrating lah! Like I said, after so many Guidelines, we still back to square one.

Anyone here can think of a way to move Birds buildings out of the town incase the authority disallow BHs @ town...hahahahaha ( laughing in tears)


Added on December 16, 2009, 2:18 pmHeard the good news from the our Dato from Trg. this afternoon ; the Exit tax of Rm100 for the first 1 kg is waived........ and only Rm100 for any amount exceeding 1Kg, hope that I heard it right!!!!! The new act is at its final preparation and should be table soon and the whole Malaysia will have one set of regulations and procedures only that's include Sarawak and Sabah.

So, sleep well tonight for tomorrow maybe a better day for the Swiftlets Sanctuary Providers.

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Ok assuming that Eco park is the solution to a proper legal licensing bird house with supported guidelines from state govt. So is there any more problems to bird house owners if asked to stop their current biz at commercial prop? What is the fighting or war with authorities? I believe the present one will lose their investment and might have to be remove by force just like kgbuah pala. this is y Eco park is develop to provide legal sanctuary to bird lovers. If the intention is about sanctuary, iwonder if Eco park is the solution after all?
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Hey, is the latest recommendation differ from the Seremban proposal that I have attended cos......I am lost of touch with the new recommendation if it is different to the old one. Anyone having the new ones please forward.................
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Government targeted to achieve 100,000 bhs in 5 yrs time to make the country one of the top producers and to push up country GDP to achieve Vision 2020.

So, go and demolish all town bhs and rebuild new bhs in farmlands and ecopark.

Average cost for new bhs in farm land and ecopark say around $500,000.

Expected additional investment cost to the country will be 100,000 x $500,000 = $50,000,000.00 ie $50 BILLION RINGGIT excluding loss in opportunity cost from existing bhs, bankrupcy loss, mushroom in stranded assets (ie abandoned projects) in the nation.

So end of the day their silly action will be like boomerang hit back to the country with HUNDREDs of BILLION RINGGITS debts.

So in the end, ViSion 2o2o will become wet dream of an old man aft all... laugh.gif

Dont play play with fire like wat the old man did in 1998.

Foreign investors have since blacklisted the nation.

As a result, until today we have not recovered.

And nobody in the country seems to aware why factories moving away, klci lembek with oni local players.....

Salam ...

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these is making the govt and the cronies rich only... by the time 5 years, all the suppy vs demand chart will change . Supply gettin more and 1KG will probably means nothing anymore.
1KG @ RM 50 cents by than.. So who is the loser in the end??? the investor lo...
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post Dec 17 2009, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(Cergau @ Dec 13 2009, 12:35 PM)
In my reading of the Act (which applies to Peninsular only), they have acted within the law. They can do so even without a warrant. (Just a layman's interpretation of the Act).
As to wheter they can kill ? (this debatable...see extracts below, especially sec 2 of clause 92). Maybe in the Mukah episode they have 'caused to kill' not 'kill'. Again just my 2sen as I can't debate this as I am not a lawyer.

"Search without warrant
7. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in section 6 a Director for Wild Life and National Parks, a Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or an Assistant Director for Wild Life and National Parks may without a search warrant stop and search any vehicle or enter and search any dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building where—
(a) acting under a warrant of arrest or exercising his powers to arrest without a warrant of arrest under this Act, he
has reason to suspect that the person to be arrested is in the vehicle or dwelling house, shop, business premises
or other building;
(b) the Director for Wild Life and National Parks, Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or Assistant
Director for Wild Life and National Parks finds any person committing or attempting to commit an offence or
suspected of having committed an offence under this Act and follows or pursues that person to the vehicle
or dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building; or
© the Director for Wild Life and National Parks, Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or Assistant
Director for Wild Life and National Parks is satisfied on written information received that an offence under this
Act is being committed in the vehicle or dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building or land,
and may seize any wild animal or wild bird or part thereof or any book or record required to be kept under this Act, trophy, poison or net capable of being used to take any wild animal or wild bird or other article which was the subject matter of or was used or suspected to be used in the commission of any offence under this Act. "


"Wild life officers may shoot, etc., any wild animals or wild birds even if totally protected
53. Any officer acting bona fide in the exercise of his powers may shoot, kill or take any wild animal or wild bird if—
(a) the wild animal or wild bird is a danger to human life or property;
(b) it is necessary or expedient to prevent undue suffering on the part of the wild animal or wild bird; or
© he is accompanying the holder of a special permit issued under section 51.

Cruelty to wild life
92. (1) Save as otherwise provided in this section every person who—
(a) beats, kicks, infuriates, terrifies or tortures any wild animal or wild bird;
(b) neglects to supply sufficient food or water to any wild animal or wild bird which he houses, confines or
breeds;
© houses, confines or breeds any wild animal or wild bird in such a manner so as to cause it unnecessary pain or
suffering including the housing, confining or breeding of any wild animal or wild bird in any cage, enclosure
or hut which is not suitable for or conducive to the comfort or health of the wild animal or wild bird;
(d) uses any wild animal for performing or assisting in the performance of any work or labour which by reason of
any infirmity, wound, disease or any other incapacity it is unfit to perform;
(e) uses, incites, provokes or infuriates any wild animal or wild bird for the purpose of baiting it or for fighting
with any other wild animal or wild bird or manages any premises or place for any of these purposes;
(f ) wilfully does or wilfully omits to do anything which in any way causes any unnecessary suffering, pain or
discomfort to any wild animal or wild bird, is guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine
not exceeding five thousand ringgit or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding three years or to both.
(2) This section shall not apply to any person who wounds any wild animal or wild bird in the course of lawfully shooting, killing or taking it under and subject to this Act. "

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The Act is meant for those who keep endanger wild animal aka wild tigers, elephants, tapirs etc in your shophouses thereby Perhilitan will have the power to act according to the Act to protect the wild animals.

'Farmers' are actually helping Perhilitan to increase population of swiftlets in the nation so now swiftlet population has grown beyond and no longer considered endanger species.

Why Perhilitan going all the way to the airport to harrass tourists? Elephants, tigers, tapirs being slaughtered everyday in our jungles so what Perhilitan going to do about it? rclxub.gif

The following Act mentioned:-

[i]"Wild life officers may shoot, etc., any wild animals or wild birds even if totally protected
53. Any officer acting bona fide in the exercise of his powers may shoot, kill or take any wild animal or wild bird if—
(a) the wild animal or wild bird is a danger to human life or property;
(b) it is necessary or expedient to prevent undue suffering on the part of the wild animal or wild bird; or
© he is accompanying the holder of a special permit issued under section 51.

So those dead swiftlets in Mukah endanger the life of Perhilitan officers as a result Perhilitan officers broke in and took away the birdnests?

So after taking away the nests Perhilitan officers follow the Act by killing the chicks to comply with Clause 53.(b) to reduce pain and suffering of the chicks.

hahahaha ... tats how things work in Perhilitan. What more do we need to add? notworthy.gif

BERSIH, CAKAP DAN AMANAH..... doh.gif

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post Dec 17 2009, 12:34 PM

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Ecoparks are just another way of commercializing the birds nest industry for people with deep pockets... and those proposing these projects with claims of 'we are licensed by the government' and etc are just in to get profits and monopolizing an industry that should be open to all. We all know that BH's have a certain degree of failure rate, going large scale in a limited area is to me, very risky. Anyways, i always believed that only a certain number/population of birds in a certain radius is required to have sustainable food source plus good quality of nests. We have all seen and heard of BH's that initially grew exponentially, suddenly the growth grows static... and becomes 'feeders'/'suppliers' of young birds to other BH's. I stick to my earlier position, Ecoparks are evil.

Dear Bobby C, i confronted this issue with a state level Perhilitan's Bahagian Perundangan. I used the conservation argument and the sorts... but in the end was cut off easily, as long as AF is a 'wild' animal... non-domesticated... it will forever be under the 1972 Act. It was declassified as a 'totally protected species' to a 'protected species' thus allowing permits of sanctuaries or ranches to be issued (i believe it coincided with the last GAHP). That was why i was silently hoping that Khairil Sani Wong guy to actually succeed (even though i believe it is impossible for a species as AF to be domesticated at all).

I am not sure if it was Perhilitan or Sarawak Forestry Department as well since Sarawak is governed by a different set of governance. Whatever it is, they themselves violated and i dare say killed those chicks. How can an agency kill the very thing its supposed to protect? 7 years ago we can say that the agencies, PBT's don't know shit about the swiftlet industry... but they should by now understand all the issues... somehow i get the feeling that some agencies do hear us, but they don't listen.
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Is it true that many BH is in Kuala Selangor and sepang. i heard theres a park too.
can someone share the road map.

ecopark was built for those who are looking for return of investment right?
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Dear Dusun,

Thank you for your effort. Guess no point to talk to these hard-headed-self-serving government servant. They are not public servant nor civil servants but government servant in the old age mindset still thinking they own the country. Public servants and civil servants serving the public, listen to the public and put the rakyat and nation first. These jokers,,, put their pocket first lah. Nation 1st, huh, cakap-cakap je lah. Hangat-hangat tahi ayam.

All those who have put their tears, sweat, blood, retirement funds, education funds, piggy bank fund, mother-father funds into this industry, be prepared to go head on with the bulldozer aka Perhilitan. Bring to courts, court injunction to stop the robbers, sue Perhilitan whatsoever to pin down the scumbeg. At the moment, we are just remained silence and watching they every move. And we are the silent majority. Do remember.

Heart quite good reports about Dr. Fadzilah being an understanding and reasonable person. She has been into this industry for some time. Understand she knows the plight of breeders/councils. She also takes time to understand the plight of the swiftlet as a vet point of view. People like Dr Fadzilah should be transfered to PM Dept to give immediate advise to the big boss, forgetting the tom d*** and harry, unless they have some substance, no conflict of interest nor personal shares in the industry. If you got any link with any ecopark developers, Big Boss in PM dept should kick him/her out first.

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post Dec 17 2009, 05:36 PM

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I'm very far from what you guys already did to save the business from local authorities and the wildlife dept. Obviously that this scumbag uses the power to surpress people to submit to their desire . govt servant were suppose to assist and not to find ways to punish the livelihood of others. Are they not different from the old Japanese army occupation?

I don't know if there is already a case against the govt? If don't have yet,
when is this problem by bh owner going to end?
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QUOTE(Bobby C @ Dec 17 2009, 09:35 AM)
Government targeted to achieve 100,000 bhs in 5 yrs time to make the country one of the top producers and to push up country GDP to achieve Vision 2020.
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Bobby C,
Care to share where u got those figures from?
I may have missed some articles.
Thanks

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Many stuborn BHs owners didn't appreciate what we all tried to do and to solve problems for all. IF they can't help out, do try to cooperate by reducing sound and not creating complaints from neighbours.

It really help us alot when we try to negotiate with the local authorities when there isn't any complaints from the public...for that at least, we weren't shown stack of complaints from the enforcers. How to tell the local authorities that we can take care of ourselves if there are still so many complaints and so many BHs owners aren't cooperating.

When I was the President of my Association, I tried to propose that we use the majlis to help to forward warnings letters to the culprits but was prevented by the Committees from doing so and so I resigned. No cure for those stuborn fools who own BHs having over few thousands nests and still scared that others will take away their birds and blasting their sound days and nights like nobody's business.

So, readers of the forum, pls. help us to help you all by persuading BHs owners not to create unnecessary troubles...........for at least, those are trying to help will have lesser problems facing them when they try to deal with the authorities. All that are required are common senses that say your neighbours have rights and need their rest and that bird sounds may sound sweet to you only but not to your neighbours.

I care for the swiftlets more than the BH owners as what they are doing may sentence the swiftlets to their death.

Sorry if offended.

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West Wing, what you said is a basic common sense . if the selfish Bird farmers cannot control the sound and disturb their neighbors than they deserve to be take out from the list just like what FIFA in soccer did to punish teams if their home supporters are throwing rockets by banning them or pay heavy penalty for it. Of Course FIFA cannot say, close World Cup now because of one stupid fan.

i don't know about the association you are involve but the current state of condition doest seem to improve much as i read the first thread till now.

I just want the Malaysia govt to know one thing... the treasure you own today may be gone in couple of years time just because of some moron in the Perhilitan dept who believes that all of us are the Ali Baba . The bird nest will soon become what it is now bird nest if an inventor able to find a way to clone an artificial one which uses the same techinique to harvest an artificial cave in other country.

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Any good tips to clean white mold on the nesting plank ? I don't want to brush it off simply for 2 reasons, the spores will be air borne if brushed and it is harmful to our health and it will spread to other areas.

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