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 V2. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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post Dec 7 2009, 10:02 PM

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Nah...still standing there at the international departure gate as of today.

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post Dec 7 2009, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 7 2009, 10:10 AM)
Personally, I think we should use Tai Chi.......push and pull. Only use force when really require but try soft approaches whenever possible....that way, neither sides will end up bruise or badly hurt. Give other face and we end up having a new friend instead of a enemy. In our industry, better to have friends and no enemy.  Convincing opposition/trouble makers  to be on our side if possible but then you need guys who really can talk sweet flowers and birds singing to be successful and I ain't that guy cos I F*** more than I can convince lah. Good and successful salesmen are that type of persons we need and anyone around??????

Again, that's my own view on the matter concerned.


Added on December 7, 2009, 10:53 am
Eco Park's concept of birds park even has nursery for the chicks meaning that they are going to harvest all the nest in approximated 45 days cycle and take all eggs and artificially hatch the eggs and then hand feed the chicks which already is against the wildlife act and why the Perhilitan has no objection in the matter.

If Perhilitan still consider swiftlets as wild, then action must be taken against the Eco guys. I believe that what they are doing is only pretext for harvesting the nests illegally (throwing the eggs and chicks into dustbins in the later stage, I presume)......initially they may do all the above but gradually, they will not because it take alot of labour and time not to mention the cost of doing so. Added to it, there is no assurance that the birds will return to the same place to breed after fledgling. Unless they cage the birds and rear the birds like chicken farms........that will hell for the free birds if possible and what the Perhilitan going to do about it?

Someone asked why the problems facing the industry are posted in this forum cos I believe that many of Government Departments like  Perhilitan and Veterinary are reading our forum for signs, feedbacks and idea on industry plus the public's opinions in the matter.  

Again, above are my own opinions and suggestions on the matter, apology if offended.


Added on December 7, 2009, 6:56 pmI am glad that the terms created by me "Swiftlet Sanctuaries"  has been widely used and I hope that the authorities esp. the Veterinary and Perhilitan understand that we, the providers of the SS are infact helping them to preserve the Swiftlets species........ and that they are suppose and should provide us full assistance and not to create hardship and difficulties. Public and other agencies may not understand us maybe but surely not the Perhilitan or the Veterinary as we are infact providing  Swiftlets Sanctuaries and in the same time creating wealth and jobs opportunities for the nation. Not to mentioned that we have help so many other industries to prosper and all dead or wasted buildings have been utillised  by us to create wealth and opportunities. That's our PM understand and hope that all will end well for the industry.

Another that I am proud to be the one to bring to the attention of the authorities toward the "One Stop Center" for all applications for this industry during the Seremban Workshop.  We do not want to run round in circle from departments to departments.......just one department will do to handle all applications and the department concerned will do the needful for us if necessary. 

Appologies for being proud as I believe that I did something right for once toward the bettement of the industry.
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i also agree and not agree on the tai chi method . But if we could teach the govt how to fish with their own net, than its ok. The problem is they dont want to learn the fish, they don't want the fish and they want your sampan and your bank account. The state govt know the federal govt is the one making the main income in this on export and import tax.. What have they got? So they probably look for ways to generate income by compounding and licensing. What if tourist come and visit this farmers processing plant? It will also bring revenue to the state.
When i was in korea, this ginseng shops were frequented by all the overseas tourist like us. This is something they should look into and the processed food , dry food is endless.

All the public servants are not public servants at all. they were there looking for opportunity like short cut money. If the govt goal is to increase the capita income of everybody than they should expedite the research and cut the red tapes . The stupid law like export and import imposed on tourist is ridiculous. This already defeat our objectives and allow country like Indon and Thailand to reap this fruits. This is Bodoh Malaysia.

taichi method works but have limitation to progress faster as both party are not speaking out the truth anymore. Both pleasing each other and not for long. Once the person left his office, we are back to square one. Firm as strong in your believe like a strong bamboo but never leave side of the principles.

West Wing, u deserve all the credits for shedding the lights and coining the words to perfection. Now where can i get the event list of any seminars on bird nest by the govt or any foundation?


Added on December 7, 2009, 11:05 pm
QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 7 2009, 10:02 PM)
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Why sanction bird nest only.
This perhilitan or wildlife dept job is doing wat?
Do we citizen pay our taxes for their salary to make life difficult for us and other people?
What is the reason for this?
It just a bird nest for god sake, a nest make up of saliva not Gold or Oil.

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QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Dec 7 2009, 07:17 AM)
Nice to read the recent posts. Go ahead, the research. Perhilitan & DVS both claim they are 'currently in progress' doing research about swiftlets. They have been saying this since i can remember.
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Curious, did Perhilitan/DVS made the claim in black & white. I would like to know their research objectives. wonder if they will include this in their KPI? or maybe they are waiting for the next budget for funding? Since M'sia is a signatory to CITES & the only scientific recommendation I recall reading was to perform DNA analysis to get a finer understanding.

QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Dec 7 2009, 07:17 AM)
For associations, i'd suggest we go for SIA's or social impact studies since this can address the issues (baseless or not) surrounding the industry. This should be doable with the right approach.
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My apologies. I want no part of anything that further dwell on things that divide us. There have a tendency to take on a life of their own.

QUOTE(dunsuntutmybuntut @ Dec 7 2009, 07:17 AM)
Play whatever part we can for the betterment of the industry. Some friends say 'Why confront & provoke agencies?'... all i can say is that we should not feel comfortable and just wait for them to knock at our doors (especially enforcement)... i say we meet them head on and resolve the issues. We need hardliners for stuff like this. Write to papers, complain to agencies, communicate with politicians. Any of them trying to take advantage, we should be able to keep them in check. The KT by election was one rather crude but effective example (some say uncle tok was being harsh, i say thats the way to do it!).
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I am not advocating any provocation or confrontation with anybody. I did not bring them up; so do not know what they are sensitive to & I do not much care. Is it my job to keep sensitive issues away from them? Shape up or ship out.
If any MP introduces the private bill & the minister in charge of Perhilitan can rebut the scientific finding, pls do so, that's what Parliament is for. This action is above board and should be viewed as such. If they react in a juvenile way, and repeat the raids, you know how to cast your next vote.
My friends. there is only 1 root cause for Perhilitan. The bird is on the schedule. .. tell me why if you think otherwise..., the other issue of noise nuisance should be allowed to take it's course cos' we all know is true and we all will be better for it. See how reasonable I am biggrin.gif
Enuff of ranting, tidur-le


Added on December 8, 2009, 2:08 am
QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 7 2009, 10:10 AM)
I am glad that the terms created by me "Swiftlet Sanctuaries"  has been widely used and I hope that the authorities esp. the Veterinary and Perhilitan understand that we, the providers of the SS are infact helping them to preserve the Swiftlets species........

Another that I am proud to be the one to bring to the attention of the authorities toward the "One Stop Center" for all applications for this industry during the Seremban Workshop. 
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WW, you are shameless,.... but the again, credit when credit is due
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A Newbiz PM me .............Out of my curiosity,please advise whether a land 100 meter from the beach and next to a swimming pool is suitable for building bird house. Some said it is too windy and the chlorine smell from the pool would chase them away.
If they is a water pond within the BH to increase humidity, when more and more bird shit fall into this water pond, will there be any adverse effect? Is is true that new BH has only 30% success rate?


My Answer to share and to be comments if any:

BH by the sea is not a good site but by the river, that would be good.
Next to a swiming pool is unthinkable as the shits may accidentally fall into the pool and no one with common sense will build one next to a swimming pool.
Water pond is good but is not allow in the BH but in the vicinity is good but make sure that there are fishes in the pond. Bird shits in the pond will only give out aroma that will attract the birds and will not not has any adverse effect on the birds.

Successful BH or not, to me..........If the area already id surrounded by successful BHs, your chance of success is 70% and if you do your homework correct, then you have 50% chances in a suitable good place. but if the area already has BHs but all not very promising, your chances of success is less than 30% cos the problem with the area are that all the BHs in the area are most properly total harvesters and leave no new bird to new comer..all are expecting the other to provide new bird and end up everybody is a loser; selfish, greedy but loser!!!! That's my own personal opinion to your no.2 question.


Added on December 8, 2009, 4:15 pm
QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 7 2009, 10:57 PM)
i on?


Added on December 7, 2009, 11:05 pm

Why sanction bird nest only.
This perhilitan or wildlife dept job is doing wat?
Do we citizen pay our taxes for their salary to make life difficult for us and other people?
What is the reason for this?
It just a bird nest for god sake, a nest make up of saliva not Gold or Oil.
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Yeah! Why only pick on EBN only and no mention of others under their wings.....why no mention about taking out snake skin, tiger tooth or elephant tusk....and many others like turtle eggs when turtles are going to be extinct already. I believe it all boiled down on someone, somewhere must have some hidden interest in the matter cos' I never seem a gov dept. taking so serious about their job otherwise we should have saved our turtles ......going out all the way to stop and prevent anyone taking out EBN, a Malaysian products. It not simply like paying Rm100 per Kg tax but where and how to pay is another problem......meaning that exporting EBNs are only for the selected few only and who they are, I don't know. Never saw anyone prevented a tourist from taking Malaysian products for own use.......until now and that's EBN !!!!!!

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post Dec 8 2009, 11:49 PM

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correct west wing, what has bird nest had got to do with the wildlife dept or the stupid term perhilitan..( i am coughing out blood , repeating this stupid word)

bird nest is not even about killing animals like elephant task or leopard skin? bird nest is just a delicacy demand by some human being.

What if a cow dung becomes a delicacy of human being one day? Do you impose taxes and red tapes for sending out CoW dung overseas? Now my explaination is very simple because im a lay man and i see things very basic . maybe im still pure to this but common sense tells me that the govt is very greedy and have no art skill in preserving mother natures gift.

and if bird nest is a national treasure of this country than what about the billion of dollars of deforestation? Our forest were destroyed for money , Our hills and marble hills were destroyed by the builders for road construction and development.

If the govt wants to be part of it, im sure many sifus from Shaolin will welcome them provided they don't come in and burn the temple down. But right now , the situation is that some of the see heng from Shaolin were seen to betrayed the descendents and principles of the Shaolin Temple by sharing it out so that they could control the macro economic of it . They want to built their profits on top of the food chain. Instead of using the brain to improve the existing lesson learn in the past, they want to use the past lesson to create a new temple and call it a Better Shaolin Temple (eco Park) which got endorsement from govt. The old shaolin temple must be clear for the new one to take over. This is waht happening right now in malaysia. .
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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 8 2009, 03:04 PM)

Yeah! Why only pick on EBN only and no mention of others under their wings.....why no mention about taking out snake skin, tiger tooth or elephant tusk....and many others like turtle eggs when turtles are going to be extinct already. I believe it all boiled down on someone, somewhere must have some hidden interest in the matter cos' I never seem a gov dept. taking so serious about their job otherwise we should have saved our turtles ......going out all the way to stop and prevent anyone taking out EBN, a Malaysian products. It not simply like paying Rm100 per Kg tax but where and how to pay is another problem......meaning that exporting EBNs are only for the selected few only and who they are, I don't know. Never saw anyone prevented a tourist from taking Malaysian products for own use.......until now and that's EBN !!!!!!
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WW, I couldn't agree more to the above statement. The tougher the EBN export (where small individual farmers don't have the ways and means to over come the red tapes), the better for certain group of people including existing exporter.
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It is very clear that the above so call 'ruling' (wonder whether approved by the cabinet or above their jurisdiction) by Perhilitan is meant to stop small traders, tourists, small breeders from exporting ebn.

If you want to export ebn, do it big, do it in multi-millions per shipment term. Only few with special connection or their ma-cai (we-know-who-else) can get accessed to.

Small traders / breeders, go go go, look for these few special individuals.

The above ring any bell?

Sounds familiar with many other industries / business.

You want to follow legal procedures, proper channel, they tell u go dig ur own grave.

The so call 'law' basically use against those who follow book. They (who else) prefers u to break the unwritten 'law' so they can cari makan mah opss wrong term, cari kekayaan mah.

Everything also ok one, just gip mee mine mummy!

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Do you know that most of the Indo buyers are here not shopping for their processing factories in Indonesia but to smuggle the nests to their buyers in China thru HongKong runners because their country do not produce quality nests like Malaysia do and that their country do not have good friendship with China like Malaysia do and that Malaysia is given special privileged to be exemption from paying import tax on EBN.

The China buyers are paying good money for quality nests as we all know that Chinaman are very wealthy now and can afford best nests and nothing less....the Chinaman are willing to pay very high price for super nests and the Indoman are making many time more than if they process their own nests in Indonesia.

Why Malaysia Government didn't give its own citizens this golden opportunities to make good money at the right time, that's now and if not, like the farmers used to complained that they sweat and work very hard to plant but it is the middle men that make the most.....same story here.

Hopefully, Malaysia Authorities Heads are reading and shift toward the right direction......cos, personally, I don't gain from the export but as a true citizen of Malaysia and wish to see Malaysia prosperous and Malaysian well fed....... dan "bukan Lembu punya susu, sapi dapat nama nya".



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QUOTE(West Wing @ Dec 9 2009, 03:43 PM)
Do you know that most of the Indo buyers are here not shopping for their processing factories in Indonesia but to smuggle the nests to their buyers in China thru HongKong runners because their country do not produce quality nests like Malaysia do and that their country do not have good friendship with China like Malaysia do and that Malaysia is given special privileged to be exemption from paying import tax on EBN.
China abolished import duty on Malaysian EBN probably apply to mainland China port of call only and may not include Hong Kong. HK has it's own tax regime under different administration. Malaysian EBN exported to China via HK probably still using the traditional human porter way to evade tax.
I'm just guessing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Dec 9 2009, 06:55 PM)
China abolished import duty on Malaysian EBN probably apply to mainland China port of call only and may not include Hong Kong. HK has it's own tax regime under different administration. Malaysian EBN exported to China via HK probably still using the traditional human porter way to evade tax.
I'm just guessing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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There is no Tax on EBN in HK but to China, there is so the Indo has no alternative but to do so. Since we have the advantage of selling directly to China without Tax, we should have capitalised on it and play safe. Without the support of Perhilitan on the matter, small Malaysian exporter of EBN if wanted to sell to China, we must go thru HK like the Indo i.e underwater; these way, we will lose to the Indo Taikoh as they have good connection that we don't.

If we do infact able to export to China legally, we, Malaysian can open outlets with declaration and plus advertisement that our EBN are legal in China ...with birth certificates (Country Of Origin) enclosed. This will give us a edge over other countries in opening outlets in China. Then, everyone will feel safe buying our wonderful nests.....and we, Malaysian can have a share in China big expanding market. Markets in China are too big even if all Malaysian join in.

Above are my humble opinions in the matter and expert in the field may want to give their professional advices and comments......VIPs like Dato Beh and friends who are exporting nests to China very regularly, I believe. What I can share are my 2 sen knowledge only.
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Eco Park is a competition itself . by building more than 50 houses in a remote area, how can the bird pick the houses to live in. and 50 BH in one vicinity can cause more harm to the environment and also to the birds if anything happen. Moreover , if u buy the wrong plot of land, can the agent refund back the money since the BH may cost from RM 700K to over a million. Here, the agents were dead rich and making your profits in the first five years or 8 years before we as investor able to reap the fruits. I wonder in 8 years time, will the bird population will change and the grade will lose out. this is something the eco park agent didnt tell u.
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QUOTE(hackwire @ Dec 9 2009, 10:45 PM)
Eco Park is a competition itself . by building more than 50 houses in a remote area, how can the bird pick the houses to live in. and 50 BH in one vicinity can cause more harm to the environment and also to the birds if anything happen. Moreover , if u buy the wrong plot of land, can the agent refund back the money since the BH may cost from RM 700K to over a million. Here, the agents were dead rich and making your profits in the first five years or 8 years before we as investor able to reap the fruits. I wonder in 8 years time, will the bird population will change and the grade will lose out. this is something the eco park agent didnt tell u.
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WW refers to the common term "Swiftlet Farming" as Swiftlet Sanctuary Providers.

I google and below are just, but a few, what Sanctuary means:

1. Special area where birds are protected.

2. A reserved area in which birds and other animals, especially wild animals, are protected from hunting or molestation.

3. A wildlife sanctuary is an area specially designated where it is illegal to interfere in anyway with the natural life there. Hunting, shooting and fishing would be prohibited.

I have to agree that Swiftlet Sanctuary is the correct term because ethical people do not harvest the nests with birds and the adults are not harmed. In fact, we protect the birds from attacks by owls etc.

Hats off to you West Wing.
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Eco park only makes the developer and the consultant of the park rich. The casino owner is the one that is rich. The investor of the park will soon form a Resident Association soon...haha...
Im sure there will be some neighborhood problem between the BH owner soon.
Why are the govt so soon jump into this eco park without proper study first. By taking the weakness from the past experience from a different environment, location and buildings to implement another different set of problems we have yet to see .


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Bro WW, cergau and others, thanks for your feedback and views. As always i will keep them in mind whenever i deal or approach agencies. I recently had a talk with Dr. Fadzilah Aini (Aneka Haiwan, and the authority about swiftlets from DVS). Mainly just wanted to talk bird and ask about the new GAHP, when it will be due for the public. The lovely doctor said by early 2010, it will be made public with some changes. She advised those who had attended the previous GAHP courses to also attend. I have a loose tongue and somehow commented on the old GAHP... i mentioned that it was 'shoddy' work and it gave the impression it was done in a rush. Little did i remember she was the one who wrote it! (totally forgot actually). Heck, i almost thought swiftlets were some sort of parrot or ostriches after reading that old GAHP. Lets wait for the new GAHP... she mentioned there was more involvement from the industry this time round in the making of the GAHP, maybe the Seremban workshop did have an impact after all.


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The Star .Satturday December 12, 2009
Dilemma over RM1bil swiftlet nest trade
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KUALA LUMPUR: The swiftlet nest industry is highly lucrative with an annual turnover reaching RM1bil.

#And many more billions if the Government allows …….

Local authorities are against having swiftlet farms in towns as they can cause nuisance to the public and pollute the environment.

#If that the problems, then it’s easy…just give reasonable guidelines for the Swiftlets Sanctuaries Providers to obey and follow.

But in Sarawak where there are over 1,500 such farms operating illegally in towns, any attempt to eradicate them will impact negatively on the industry.

#What’s so illegal about the swiftlets Sanctuaries, and if it is illegal, then action must have taken years ago. Just that proper guidelines have yet be issued to ensure that there will be no problem or nuisance in the future.

The licensing issue cropped up last year after the authorities conducted an exercise to clear up illegal swiftlet farms in Mukah town.

#The Action taken because of hidden agenda and that clean up exercise was infact illegal and action should be taken against the wildlife department for causing the death of so many swiftlets that should protected according to their wildlife acts and laws. What’s about the forced entry? Why didn’t the department taken those who supposedly broke the law to court but instead use force to break in and killed all the swiftlets’ chicks and eggs; all done under the pretext of protecting the so called wild swiftlets.

Furthermore, the Sarawak’s 1998 Wildlife Protection Ordinance also prohibits the species from being bred in other than its natural habitat like the caves. Prohibited other than its natural habitat then doesn’t the following sound foolish?

1. Sarawak’s Forestry Department director Datuk Len Talif Salleh said the state government wanted the industry to be developed in a controlled manner in accordance with the laws.
2. Len Talif pointed out that only about 100 licenses had been approved from the 600 to 700 applications received since May.
3. “Most of the licenses approved are for the ‘old-players’ who conform to the prerequisites,” he said.
4. All of the licenses were issued for swiftlet farms in Mukah, Bintulu, Kuching, Kota Samarahan and Sarikei with all of them in agricultural areas.
5. The good news is, the state government plans to build three swiftlet ecoparks in Mukah, Sarikei and Bintulu with lots to be sold and rented out to those who are keen.


#In accordance with the Law. Does that mean that ECOPARKS are natural habitat for swiftlets and why the town BH isn’t?; The industry to be develop in a controlled manner according to the laws (which Law) but the State wildlife law only allow the swiftlets to be bred in natural habitat and it seem that rich and influential people (the ECOPARKS Men) are the only ones that can bypass the law and what does it means by controlled manner;

#Licenses approved for old players only and to me, it sound double standard or something fishes going on; All the licnese were issued for swiftlets farms in agriculture areas but that’s also against the wildlife law and does the law has two sided interpretation;

The good news is that the state government plan to build three ECOPARKS

#and now we all know why and doesn’t that sound stupid? Should have said that the state government is going to dig 3 large caves to provide natural habitat for the swiftlets to breed and populate.

The swiftlet nest from this country is of high quality and is highly sought in China and Arab with prices fetching up to RM10,000 per kilo.

#That’s why they are interested in…by the powerful Eco men.

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The lovely doctor said by early 2010, it will be made public with some changes. She advised those who had attended the previous GAHP courses to also attend.
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Dunsun, maybe you will want to put in a suggestion that the stakeholders be provided a briefing before the release to the public. What my cynical mind fear is that the 'understanding' achieved at the S'ban workshop may not be worked into the guidelines in the final form. With so many interested parties, the one with the cable to the top will swing the guidelines to their advantage. If it's all inclusive with all parties interest included then it's OK. I only fear that 1 party gains from the lost of another.

I am a little wary though, as my understanding was the the Vet dept was to be setting the policies and Perhilitan & the PBTs are the implementation parties. Are these later parties also involved in the formulation of a complete set of guidelines that will be deployed at each state? Reading from earlier posts the local PBTs are at liberty to 'modify' the Federal guidelines (I am assuming that the final guidelines will be considered 'Federal'). This is not criticism, just me thinking aloud.


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#The Action taken because of hidden agenda and that clean up exercise was infact illegal and action should be taken against the wildlife department for causing the death of so many swiftlets that should protected according to their wildlife acts and laws. What’s about the forced entry? Why didn’t the department taken those who supposedly broke the law to court but instead use force to break in and killed all the swiftlets’ chicks and eggs; all done under the pretext of protecting the so called wild swiftlets. 
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Don't think the agenda is hidden. It's obvious. They see it just as legitimate as your BH. It's the bias actions that were carried out that stinks of an intention to curtail one party for the benefit of another that is most infuriating to most.

In my reading of the Act (which applies to Peninsular only), they have acted within the law. They can do so even without a warrant. (Just a layman's interpretation of the Act).
As to wheter they can kill ? (this debatable...see extracts below, especially sec 2 of clause 92). Maybe in the Mukah episode they have 'caused to kill' not 'kill'. Again just my 2sen as I can't debate this as I am not a lawyer.

"Search without warrant
7. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in section 6 a Director for Wild Life and National Parks, a Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or an Assistant Director for Wild Life and National Parks may without a search warrant stop and search any vehicle or enter and search any dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building where—
(a) acting under a warrant of arrest or exercising his powers to arrest without a warrant of arrest under this Act, he
has reason to suspect that the person to be arrested is in the vehicle or dwelling house, shop, business premises
or other building;
(b) the Director for Wild Life and National Parks, Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or Assistant
Director for Wild Life and National Parks finds any person committing or attempting to commit an offence or
suspected of having committed an offence under this Act and follows or pursues that person to the vehicle
or dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building; or
© the Director for Wild Life and National Parks, Deputy Director for Wild Life and National Parks or Assistant
Director for Wild Life and National Parks is satisfied on written information received that an offence under this
Act is being committed in the vehicle or dwelling house, shop, business premises or other building or land,
and may seize any wild animal or wild bird or part thereof or any book or record required to be kept under this Act, trophy, poison or net capable of being used to take any wild animal or wild bird or other article which was the subject matter of or was used or suspected to be used in the commission of any offence under this Act. "


"Wild life officers may shoot, etc., any wild animals or wild birds even if totally protected
53. Any officer acting bona fide in the exercise of his powers may shoot, kill or take any wild animal or wild bird if—
(a) the wild animal or wild bird is a danger to human life or property;
(b) it is necessary or expedient to prevent undue suffering on the part of the wild animal or wild bird; or
© he is accompanying the holder of a special permit issued under section 51.

Cruelty to wild life
92. (1) Save as otherwise provided in this section every person who—
(a) beats, kicks, infuriates, terrifies or tortures any wild animal or wild bird;
(b) neglects to supply sufficient food or water to any wild animal or wild bird which he houses, confines or
breeds;
© houses, confines or breeds any wild animal or wild bird in such a manner so as to cause it unnecessary pain or
suffering including the housing, confining or breeding of any wild animal or wild bird in any cage, enclosure
or hut which is not suitable for or conducive to the comfort or health of the wild animal or wild bird;
(d) uses any wild animal for performing or assisting in the performance of any work or labour which by reason of
any infirmity, wound, disease or any other incapacity it is unfit to perform;
(e) uses, incites, provokes or infuriates any wild animal or wild bird for the purpose of baiting it or for fighting
with any other wild animal or wild bird or manages any premises or place for any of these purposes;
(f ) wilfully does or wilfully omits to do anything which in any way causes any unnecessary suffering, pain or
discomfort to any wild animal or wild bird, is guilty of an offence and shall on conviction be liable to a fine
not exceeding five thousand ringgit or to a term of imprisonment not exceeding three years or to both.
(2) This section shall not apply to any person who wounds any wild animal or wild bird in the course of lawfully shooting, killing or taking it under and subject to this Act. "



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The real problem now facing the BH is not the Perhilitan but the State Government and its Local Authorities. Most of the Local Authorities are against having the BHs @ towns........and that's why Guidelines after Guidelines, there is still no license issue and there may not be any for the town if the ECO Parks can succeed in what they are doing. The licenses are issue by the local authorities and not Perhilitan and although the guidelines are from the veterinary Department/Perhilitan. Only a few states approve the BHs @ town like the Kedah, Kelantan and Pahang but for the rest of the country, assume to be very cold toward the BHs @ town.

Give the local authorities a valid reason to kick the town BHs out, they will and without any hesitation. That's what I believe but pray that I am wrong so help me God.

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產量外銷.林立田地
適耕莊近300間燕屋

報導:蘇天賜

適耕莊燕屋如雨后春筍般林立,一個月內19間新燕屋轟立,目前還在增加中。
(適耕莊10日訊)適耕莊引燕行業再創新高,單是上個月就出現19間新燕屋,令區內燕屋攀升至近300間,燕屋、燕窩成“魚米之鄉”吸引遊客新點!

林立在田地的燕屋與日俱增,愈來愈多空置店屋改為引燕屋,區內外人士搶到適耕莊發展引燕業。

《中國報》記者巡視“魚米之鄉“時,發現適耕莊經濟發展蓬勃,從傳統海洋撈捕業到陸面种稻業,目前發展至空中的引燕業。

農民挪地建造

遊走在適耕莊,頭頂飛燕數目尤如夜間繁星,耳邊還不時傳來群燕叫聲。

業者透露,適耕莊是引燕寶地,因當地以農耕為主,害虫不絕,不僅能供燕子大量食物,也能為稻田、果園等除害虫,它可謂人類的“益鳥”。

“因此,適耕莊所引的屋燕,較其他地方大,燕子數目也日益增多,國內燕窩產量也僅次于霹靂實兆遠,而且還遠銷至中國。”

他們說,適耕莊引燕業約10年前冒起,在8年前當地僅約10間燕屋,惟近兩年迅速崛起,保守估計,目前當地約有300間燕屋,數目仍在增加,在上個月就有19間燕屋建竣。

此外,他們說,由于燕窩比稻谷價更高,故此許多農民挪出部分田地建3層樓高燕屋,甚至有外人與農民合作,共同在田地投資燕屋,目前從沙白到丹絨加弄,甚至到瓜雪,都能看見一棟棟燕屋林立在田地上。

他們說,由于當地二樓以上單位多數空置,惟引燕風氣盛行,許多業主特把空置多時的單位,改為會產燕窩的“黃金屋”。

政府受促推出引燕指南

一隻燕子在燕屋下榻一晚,能為業者帶來25仙利潤,圖為正學飛的幼燕。
迄今未有引燕指南,業者心憂心慌!

適耕莊天堂烏燕窩銷售有限公司東主謝耀城指出,雖然業者多番催促政府赶緊推出引燕指南,惟迄今仍未出爐。

他說,由于未有指南,許多業者感到前途茫茫,憂心指南推出后,政府會以各种理由,如地點不適、衛生、噪音等問題逼拆燕屋,屆時業者可能面臨重大損失。

許多人也不敢大量投資引燕行業,使發展受限。”

他說,我國引燕業前景廣大,獲國內外許多投資者青睞,一旦擬定引燕指南,相信會給我國注入強大經濟發展動力,也能為國家掙獲更多外匯。

此外,他說,未免給鄰近居民帶來噪音困擾,業者通常在早上7時至傍晚7時播燕啼聲引燕;業者也相當注重燕屋的衛生情況,加上燕子是不著地的鳥,所以沒病毒或細菌傳染之隱憂。

他解釋,他本身也為他人設計燕屋,一所燕屋最注重衛生、防熱、光線及濕度,因此,燕屋內除了要有吸引燕子的擴音器,還要濕度調節器。

他說,業者無需喂食燕子,因為它們會自尋昆虫來吃;它們也無需喂水,因為它們只喝空氣中的霧水,業者只需定期採燕和清理燕屋即可。

為業者帶來巨利
田地變燕屋黃金地

一隻燕子“入住”一天,為業者帶來25仙利潤;適耕莊養引業者名言:“你引燕子三年,燕子養你一世”!

適耕莊天堂烏燕窩銷售有限公司東主謝耀城說,海內外燕窩需求量日漸高,尤其中國燕窩市場前景一片大好,若遠銷中國,價格肯定翻倍。

他說,亞洲燕窩出產地以我國及印尼較著名,其中東馬以洞燕聞名,西馬屋燕也頗負勝名,許多中國客皆把燕窩當成送禮、滋補及身分象征的必備品,市場大好。

他說,依据規定,約每公傾田地都能建立一棟建築,田地目前被視為“黃金地”,許多農民為求更高收入,特挪出部分田地建燕屋。

他解釋,目前在田地建3層高燕屋,約投資100萬令吉;若將約20X80平方呎店屋改為燕屋,投資額約4萬令吉,通常3年才見回酬,若幸運兩年就稍有斬獲。

“若成功吸引燕子,一間2年的燕屋,每月燕窩產量約1公斤(約20至30粒燕窩);若是6年燕屋,一周燕窩產量約2公斤,特建的3層樓燕屋,比店屋改造的燕屋產量來得高。”

他說,普通燕窩價格波動較大,在今年初每公斤白燕約2000令吉,如今已飆升至4000令吉,目前未經加工的燕盞每公斤4000令吉至5000令吉,高價時可達6000令吉以上。

擔心誤購黑心貨
屋燕燕窩漸受歡迎

消費者擔心誤購添色、漂白燕窩,屋燕燕窩漸受消費者喜愛。

適耕莊天堂烏燕窩銷售有限公司東主謝耀城解釋,故名思義,“屋燕”是指在屋內所養的燕子,而“洞燕”則是在山洞內的自然燕子。

他說,兩者營養差別不大,蛋白質皆相當豐富,惟洞燕因來自山洞,所以礦物質較高。由于礦物質關係,給山洞內的燕窩染上許多顏色,如黃色、淡黃、紅色等,之后成為市面上的血燕、金絲燕等。

他說,由于屋燕無礦物質,所以屋燕肯定屬“白燕”。不過屋燕較容易採取,也較洞燕衛生。

“燕窩是燕子鳥巢,燕子在燕窩上住越久,粘在燕窩的羽毛更多,較難清理;而屋燕較易打理,業者也定時採燕窩,所以屋燕羽毛較少,較易處理。”

他續說,燕窩以“燕盞”為最貴,因為“燕盞”除毛技術較高,過程難而复雜。

他說,可惜有者卻嫌麻煩,沒把羽毛除干凈,索性拿“燕盞”漂白,由于屋燕所粘的羽毛較少,較易處理干凈,較不需“漂白風險”。

他說,除“燕盞”外,其他白燕都是用水浸泡后,讓燕窩膨脹散開,之后在細挑羽毛,完全處理干凈后,再把燕窩放在模內烘干;惟此過程讓燕窩密度較鬆,消費者也擔心有不良加工,所以價格較“燕盞”低。

“雖然血燕、金絲燕目前在中國需求量高價高,但許多中國客和消費者意識到,市場上許多血燕、金絲燕都經過添色處理,所以也開始唾棄,漸漸轉愛屋燕。”

燕窩需求量增

燕窩需求量,尤其中國市場需求激增,所以我國引燕業前景擴大;目前許多業者都將燕窩外銷至中國,而且價格翻倍。

早前我國引燕業不盛行,故此外國人僅懂印尼屋燕,當時國內許多業者皆需借用印尼出產命號,把燕窩外銷他國。

如今我國屋燕蓬勃發展,許多業者從引燕、採燕、加工、包裝及銷售,皆一條龍式自己包辦,試圖打響自家品牌,刷亮我國燕窩招牌,如今我國屋燕在外也頗負勝名。

帶來豐厚利潤

適耕莊漁村引燕業在七八年前冒頭,初時許多人都誤以為引燕回酬不高,所以甚少人愿意投資。在近兩年,引燕業才在適耕莊迅速蓬勃發展。

目前漁村內至少蓋了10多間燕屋,有些漁行業者更善用空間,利用底層做漁行交易買賣,中間層充當辦工室,而第3層則改造燕屋。

我本身在瓜雪亞參爪哇(ASSAM JAWA)有間燕屋,而引燕確實有利可圖,燕子一年可繁殖4次,每次至少生產3粒蛋,因此燕子數量會不停增加。同時,若成功吸引燕子,每月都可到燕屋採燕,雖僅能採20%燕窩,但利潤已相當豐厚。

發展迎頭趕上

雖然實兆遠引燕業全國居冠,惟適耕莊燕子體形較大,燕業發展也迎頭赶上實逃遠。

適耕莊田地多,是引燕寶地,因為田地蚊虫多,燕子的食物充裕,也可為農民除虫害。

据悉,政府規定每1.3公傾的田地,都可建一座建築物,許多稻農挪出部分田地蓋燕屋;在這兩年間,矗立在田地的燕屋,至少增加30間。



is sekincan still a good place to invest swiftlet BH?????even got 300 BH already,how you think about this small town compare setiawan???
is there still got many swiftlt from these paddy field town?
i heard some ppl said that this town got many bird, is it true? who can give me opinion...thanks
coz i want to invest 3 unit 5 storey bh at these each unit paddy field land.

sekincan is good place???from the newspaper..


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