No, level 2 was Arthur's dream, designed to seem familiar to Saito. Level 1 was Nash's dream, in which he was also the architect. So again, the dreamer is always the architect.

That is exactly the point most of us here seem to miss. Everyone relies too much on the fact (or rather lies) that totem stop = reality.

Tell me you don't seriously believe that!
Oh where do I start...

Ariadne was the architect for all 3 levels. If the dreamer were the architect, why did Cobb employ her to be the architect? She wasn't a dreamer in any of the levels.

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Added on July 19, 2010, 5:56 pmHey talexeh is that top in your avatar about to topple? Beware, your answer will determine the ending to the film for everyone!

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Jul 19 2010, 05:56 PM

FOr bolded, maybe you should have said, where do we, begin.

nope, Saito said he's still in a dream, not his dream

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Added on July 19, 2010, 6:03 pmyea, the dreamer can create their own layouts, or learn the layout from the architect before falling asleep

and only the dreamer can change the layout inside the dream

This post has been edited by dlct87: Jul 19 2010, 06:03 PM

To plant an inception, from the movie, it is said must be plant deep so the mark will think it is his idea to begin with.

That's why they go 3 levels deep. In a sense, the more deeper in the subsconcious, the more you can fool or infect the person with the idea.

That's why

So what Eames want to know, like audience (we) as well...is what the projection of the most inner desire of Robert Junior is, they build the dream world and a safe a level below to suggest that is the most secret what he wanted all along, and let his own desire to fill the puzzle. In a way, they already suggested this all along to him during the earlier level of dream and up to he himself to complete it. So.....to make the suggested idea...his own. Brilliant isn't it.

I've only seen the film once so correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the fort originally a hospital ? Adriande designed a hospital to keep Fischer's dad there - the original plan was to simply usher Fischer into the hospital and let him freely chat with his father. But since Fischer was military trained to combat infiltration, the projections became more aggresive at each subsequent levels. So the hospital turned into a fort. They expected this (only after they found that Fischer was militarily trained) hence why they couldnt just appear inside it, that would had been a suicide. This prompted a more cautious approach, which is why needed to draw out the guards.

If Cobbs can't get into States, why didn't he smuggles their children out of states ????

Makes me wonder if it is an inception being carried out.

Sooo many version, only Nolan have the answer...hehe

They see me spinnin' they hatin'.

No, the reason is Arthur has to improvise as higher up, Yusof van is tumbling in slo mo after being chase by subconcious securities projection (wah?hahahaha) and it affect the gravity lower level dream. Well, you could say padding, but I just want to correct, it happen for a reason in the movie. I know some movie gave no reason for their action....more valid reason to call it padding.

Also, why outside the fortress? Well, didn't a character the forger is it? mention to Cobb.....why don't they dream about a beach huh? So they themselve get the joke the situation they are in....so, is a bit lighthearted moment there. Well, I think Cobb could answer...its the Hollywood Executives dream...not mine! HAHA!

Nash was indeed the dreamer for the level at the beginning (young Saito level) and he too was an architect.

It's the Director *wink* to the audience....its a logical happy ending, but he gave a WHAT IF *wink*...to INCEPT the alternate ending idea to your mind. From the discussion, I say he pretty darn successful...HAHAHAHA

I think the padding that we got (The action scenes are padding for the audience) is relevant to the inception (Making the dream feel more believable). Its not a bad padding to be frank because it also felt amazing to have watched the scene. (Would love to comment that when Arthur was freefalling in the alley it would have been a "kick". But I don't know that sadly. )

But I also think that the action scenes, well, could ahve been beyond imaginative. But that's just me, always demanding something more out of something that is already good.

Yah, but if he introduce too much outrageous action or alien ideas, you might not accept it, and your subconcious securities might attack the foreign elements...hahahahha

Is there going to be a sequel to it? Best movie of the year, however i dont think leo fits in the roll hes been getting a lot of good movies lately as well, i want fresh new faces.

One funny question.
Yusuf caused the 1st lvl dreamscape to rain because he had the urge to pee.

What happens if he had the urge to take a dump?

Ya, I think although Ariadne design the dream, but other share dreamers will alter a bit or affect the dreams as well. For eg. Cobb subconcious memory of his dead wife Mal keep interfering in the dream he is in. So Cobb doesn't want to know how the dream detail or design to that Mal cannot gain upperhand and interfere as well....but as always, Cobb is a quick learner of a dream and therefore Mal which his own projection knows what he do as well and interfere anyway. Therefore, Robert Junior subconcious also will alter the dream design by Ariadne. There several minor details or clues how dream cannot be what it seem to be....there's no perfect dream, there's always a little abstract thing that doesn't make sense as why there sudden appear a train in the middle of busy street. That's the nature of dream. Earlier, in the Nash (early architect) dream, Saito subconcious securities consist of mobs of people that trying to find him and attack Nash, Cobb & Arthur as well...

Cloudy with a chance of shitballs.

Natural 'kick' ?

Or in a gross idea, stinky swamp