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Movies Inception | The Dark Knight director sci-fi pic, Warner Brothers wants Inception 2 ?
Movies Inception | The Dark Knight director sci-fi pic, Warner Brothers wants Inception 2 ?
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Jul 19 2010, 02:34 PM
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Watch on a Sat night, nice movie. The special effect, action is ok but what seal it for me is the emotional thread the director throws in there which makes it memorable eg. the father son (ingenious way to manipulate & plant the 'idea'), Cob & Mal, the children. A more intelligent movie compare the rest showing recently but not so much until difficult to understand but just have to pay attention only. The ending is also a twist..should I say literally. The crowd I'm with groan at the last scene...hehehe
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Jul 19 2010, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE(rhoyo @ Jul 19 2010, 12:54 PM) do u guys notice something . that saito and mal use this words : Take a Leap of Faith .. i wonder why . anybody wanna elaborate Now if I ask you to jump down from high rise hotel now, and say you will end in paradise where you really belong. Would you trust me and take a leap of faith?The point on that scene is that Mal & Saito had trap in the dream world for so long d that it seem to be reality to them. So how do you go about bringing them out from that dream which is real for them? Like I'm asking you now to jump down from the hotel building. You don't believe me right.... |
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Jul 19 2010, 02:58 PM
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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ Jul 19 2010, 02:46 PM) Oh yea this kept me thinking the only way to end up in limbo is if ure in level 2 and something happen to your body in level 1 From what explain in the movie, or what I remember from it...limbo happen when even the "kick" cannot bring you out from the dream because you are heavily sedated by drugs or whatever. Maybe you're in a coma or something also can make you in limbo.In level 1 if u die u will just wake up. So, maybe if you're concious in a subconcious (oh my, what bender) limbo like what they are in the movie, the time you spend there will cause you to become insane even after u wake up. Added on July 19, 2010, 3:04 pm QUOTE(James_yka @ Jul 19 2010, 02:43 PM) I think for those who hate it or think its boring is bcos they never thought of the possibility... Movie viewing is subjective experience...some like some don't. Some peer pressure into viewing, some tend to like what other like, or plain hate what other like just for the sake of it.From the start till the end they only think that it is not logic... If Matrix would to take out all those fighting scene, they would even say Matrix is boring... To support this kind of movie, ensure you view them so Hollywood think audience like this type and will more produce to earn your money. Look at Twillight Eclipse, a crap movie in my view...but there are people like it and Hollywood still produce the crap to serve them...well to be fair, they will say Matrix is crap as well... This post has been edited by mssv19: Jul 19 2010, 03:04 PM |
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Jul 19 2010, 03:14 PM
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 19 2010, 03:10 PM) For bolded part, its called Lucid Dreaming. But Lucid is not limbo as portrayed by Nolan. At least, that's how I "get it". I can't ever remember that I'm concious in my own dream, only when I wake up then I aware. Maybe there are some person in the world can do it. So the ability to aware you're in a dream within dream is a gift for the person.From Cobb himself "Cobb: [from trailer] Dreams feel real while we're in them. It's only when we wake up that we realize something was actually strange. " |
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Jul 19 2010, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jul 19 2010, 03:13 PM) I am going to watch the "crap movie" tonight for free Which one Inception or Twillight? hahaha For Twillight, I wish one of them (the wolfman or dracula) should just f*ck her and get it over with..... |
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Jul 19 2010, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jul 19 2010, 03:15 PM) correct, DC is a good actor, just because he was chosen to act in ONE JAMES CAMERON's commercial blockbuster, he's is typecasted. Watching this one, I feel uncanny similar role he play in Shutter Island...always remind of his role there. Maybe because both back to back recent he acted in...haahahahamore so just because he permanently born with a boyish looks, people prejudge him. (call it a curse but he is probably much better than most in AVATAR) certainly a laugh that some cant get it but nontheless, it's expected. its just like why so many love 'twilight' whereas there are those who love to hate it. But ok la, he carry the movie well. So far only 3 actor role needed for the emo thing, him, his wife & Robert Junior.... Added on July 19, 2010, 3:25 pm QUOTE(hairyLGS @ Jul 19 2010, 03:21 PM) Of course not Inception... So Edward or Toby doesn't get blue balls by then?? Oh man can they really hold it.....Well, if you want that to happen, she will be f*ck in the final chapter... This post has been edited by mssv19: Jul 19 2010, 03:25 PM |
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Jul 19 2010, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 19 2010, 03:31 PM) Check back at page 17 for some of our insights and experiences in Lucid Dreaming. I seldom dream, which not sure is a good thing or bad.My fren had once just 2 days ago. Him being a pervert, guess what he asked for. From what I read from Freud(maybe not relevant now), is that, usually if something happen that may emotionally impact us within 24 hours, we will have dream on that in night. Take for example, children's dream where something that may happen in their daytime that they dream about in night. Or why taboo, some older person may forbid you did say something to a baby that will cause him/her sleepless in the night. So, somehow it is grounded in psychological explanation and it do happen to most of us. Also dream is a projection of our inner desire or subconcious that we won't dare or might not have a chance to reveal in day life or conciously. Take for example, you might have an argument with your bf, wife, neighbour or whatever. And during the argument you might not have successfully express your opinion about that matter to the person and you might take that emotion or thought with you in your sleep. So probably, during the night or within 48 hours, you might dream about it, but not in a direct way, but u might find yourself talking to a plant, expressing your dissapointment why the plan didn't grow as you please or bloom or whatever abstract doesn't make sense kind of dream....but in reality, its a way you express what you want to say to the person that you argue earlier in reality. Well, that's Freud interpretation...not mine. Kinda interesting if you read about it psychological stuff.... Added on July 19, 2010, 3:50 pm QUOTE(ate @ Jul 19 2010, 03:38 PM) saito was looking for his rivals secret, which cillain murphy never had a peek off, how come he knew what was in the vault without going into it. If he did why didnt he tell cobb in the 1st place after getting his trust. You didn't watch the movie right? I know some will lost the plot during blabber fest. Some of my fren also lost the plot watching, but English is not their mastery, so they rely on translation...so there might be translation error so they lost understanding a bit.Err, Saito wasn't looking for secret in the movie.... This post has been edited by mssv19: Jul 19 2010, 03:50 PM |
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Jul 19 2010, 04:01 PM
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 19 2010, 03:40 PM) I tot the story was to implant an idea that never existed? But this is coming from a guy who hasn't seen the movie yet. It was brillian btw. I thought, how will you plant an idea to a person and convince him of that. Of course, by using emotional persuasion. Making use of Robert Junior regret of not living up to his father expectation and the final secret in the safe which I think is what Robert Junior desire and wanted all along, his father approval & acceptance. If you think about it, its morally wrong to toy with a person emotion...and the audience seems to lap on it hehehe |
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Jul 19 2010, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE(ate @ Jul 19 2010, 03:28 PM) Overrated? i think the suitable word is "pretentious" If the movie take out the CGI, car chase & action scenes, for some critics they will probably rate it higher. Now that's pretentious!For a Hollywood summer blockbuster, these are needed to pacify the summer crowd. You can go for an arthouse movie to watch people filming orange peel or decay over a year....that is also art movie or some Wong Kar Wai in the Mood for love or Woody Allen New York New York. |
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Jul 19 2010, 06:07 PM
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QUOTE(dlct87 @ Jul 19 2010, 05:19 PM) yea i get that, just that Eames said "i wanna know whats in there" after Fischer got shot, any idea what he wanna see? To plant an inception, from the movie, it is said must be plant deep so the mark will think it is his idea to begin with.That's why they go 3 levels deep. In a sense, the more deeper in the subsconcious, the more you can fool or infect the person with the idea. That's why » Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... « So what Eames want to know, like audience (we) as well...is what the projection of the most inner desire of Robert Junior is, they build the dream world and a safe a level below to suggest that is the most secret what he wanted all along, and let his own desire to fill the puzzle. In a way, they already suggested this all along to him during the earlier level of dream and up to he himself to complete it. So.....to make the suggested idea...his own. Brilliant isn't it. |
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Jul 19 2010, 06:22 PM
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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 19 2010, 05:19 PM) I already answered this. Padding! Time slows down even more in level 3, and to juxtapose this with the relatively faster time in level 2, they have to have the characters do something busy, like taking on entire teams of generic henchman, sniping, making their way through snow. The same can be said about the zero-gravity scenes in which we are shown nothing but Arthur moving the bodies from one location to the another. It's the only reason for all this bullshit action. Why couldn't they have just placed their point of entry right in the fortress? This is one (and maybe only) area of the script that's not only not up to Nolan's high standards, but also shockingly bad. No, the reason is Arthur has to improvise as higher up, Yusof van is tumbling in slo mo after being chase by subconcious securities projection (wah?hahahaha) and it affect the gravity lower level dream. Well, you could say padding, but I just want to correct, it happen for a reason in the movie. I know some movie gave no reason for their action....more valid reason to call it padding.Also, why outside the fortress? Well, didn't a character the forger is it? mention to Cobb.....why don't they dream about a beach huh? So they themselve get the joke the situation they are in....so, is a bit lighthearted moment there. Well, I think Cobb could answer...its the Hollywood Executives dream...not mine! HAHA! |
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Jul 19 2010, 06:28 PM
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QUOTE(aku_ker @ Jul 19 2010, 06:10 PM) Sooo many version, only Nolan have the answer...hehe It's the Director *wink* to the audience....its a logical happy ending, but he gave a WHAT IF *wink*...to INCEPT the alternate ending idea to your mind. From the discussion, I say he pretty darn successful...HAHAHAHA |
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Jul 19 2010, 06:33 PM
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QUOTE(Kyoyagami @ Jul 19 2010, 06:30 PM) But I also think that the action scenes, well, could ahve been beyond imaginative. But that's just me, always demanding something more out of something that is already good. Yah, but if he introduce too much outrageous action or alien ideas, you might not accept it, and your subconcious securities might attack the foreign elements...hahahahha |
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Jul 19 2010, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 19 2010, 06:07 PM) I've only seen the film once so correct me if im wrong, but wasnt the fort originally a hospital ? Adriande designed a hospital to keep Fischer's dad there - the original plan was to simply usher Fischer into the hospital and let him freely chat with his father. But since Fischer was military trained to combat infiltration, the projections became more aggresive at each subsequent levels. So the hospital turned into a fort. They expected this (only after they found that Fischer was militarily trained) hence why they couldnt just appear inside it, that would had been a suicide. This prompted a more cautious approach, which is why needed to draw out the guards. Ya, I think although Ariadne design the dream, but other share dreamers will alter a bit or affect the dreams as well. For eg. Cobb subconcious memory of his dead wife Mal keep interfering in the dream he is in. So Cobb doesn't want to know how the dream detail or design to that Mal cannot gain upperhand and interfere as well....but as always, Cobb is a quick learner of a dream and therefore Mal which his own projection knows what he do as well and interfere anyway. Therefore, Robert Junior subconcious also will alter the dream design by Ariadne. There several minor details or clues how dream cannot be what it seem to be....there's no perfect dream, there's always a little abstract thing that doesn't make sense as why there sudden appear a train in the middle of busy street. That's the nature of dream. Earlier, in the Nash (early architect) dream, Saito subconcious securities consist of mobs of people that trying to find him and attack Nash, Cobb & Arthur as well... |
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Jul 19 2010, 06:47 PM
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QUOTE(Goblinsk8er @ Jul 19 2010, 06:38 PM) One funny question. Snow probably? Thunderstorm? I read somewhere physiologically, you won't take a dump when sleeping. Something about how naturally, your bowel movement will surpress....peeing maybe.Yusuf caused the 1st lvl dreamscape to rain because he had the urge to pee. What happens if he had the urge to take a dump? |
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