5. Cobb does not live in dream all the while ... the totem did stop spinning at the beginning. He only stuck in dream after he went to save Saito.

of courselah , reality more important , didnt u learn that from inception! dont get stuck in your movies later cannot differentiate between reality and just a movie

Okay, question that I haven't seen asked yet:

Did they really fool Fischer into accepting the idea? Was his father in the vault and the paper fan in the safe a creation of Eames? Or did Fischer genuinely come into that realization on his own? Remember Eames did say at one point, "I really wanted to see what's in there."

No, the dreamer is always the architect. Ariadne designed each level, then taught them to each of the dreamers - Yusuf (level 1, city streets), Arthur (level 2, hotel), and Eames (level 3, snow fortress). That's why at the snow fortress level, Cobb asked her, "Did Eames add anything to the design?"

Nice! Thanks for sharing that view.

Hairy, i'd ball my eyes out. haha.

Crap... now I almost know more than 50% of the film 

You guys are totally spoiling the movie for yourselves. You should stay away from this thread now until you watch it.

that made me wonder, why the hell she designed that fortress to be on a snowy mountain? and not some easier location?

that made me wonder, why the hell she designed that fortress to be on a snowy mountain? and not some easier location?

You guys are totally spoiling the movie for yourselves. You should stay away from this thread now until you watch it.

Can't help it, it's the hottest thread now in Movie Forum 

Same reason with Hairy. But still, I'm having a blast! I won't be surprised if the movie will still leave me breathless.

Fischer asked the same question: "Why couldn't someone have dreamed a goddamn beach?!" 

Damn I think the brainiacs from discussing this movie can also be insane!

what? i dont like spoilers, i sleep most of the time watching it.

I've watch the movie, not bad lar, quite good, I'll give it a 8/10. But I still think Dark Knight is better tho.

There's a few things I want to add after I read some of the postings here:

1. Cobb and Saito actually went into the Limbo at the end, mean they cannot be saved ... in reality they 2 should be in coma, they will live in dreamland forever until ... die.

Cobb can have his dream come true where he can meet his children in the dream ... I not sure is this consider as good or bad ending.

Saito on the other hand I feel he get his karma ... he try to do bad thing to Fischer and end up sendiri went into coma forever ... haiz ...

2. Ariadne is the only person other than Cobb notice Cobb's mind is sick, a sick person will produce sick dream ... which is very dangerous if they are in a mission. Some part in Cobb's mind already lose control and cause many unwanted things to happen.

3. Mal in the dream is not the actual Mal, she is just the projection of Cobb's guilt and anger, that's why in the dream she is angry, violent, sad, and emotional. In real life Mal is a kind person, she will never attack other people.

4. Why Fischer mind is so hard to penetrate is because Fischer has been trained for dream defensive skill previously ... his sub-conscious will auto attack intruders aggressively.

5. Cobb does not live in dream all the while ... the totem did stop spinning at the beginning. He only stuck in dream after he went to save Saito.
Leap of Faith mean suicide. Because only when get kill you will wake up. But the problem is you have to be sure you are in a dream ... else you really die if you are in reality.

So you have to put faith that you suicide in dream.

Nah I would think that its part an elaborate plot by them to plant the Inception, remember Eames had the time to scout out Fischer..but sadly the movie didnt show how thorough Eames went to..can only assume he might have stumbled upon the paper fan during his research of Fischer Jr..

and as for your second point Fischer died just before he could open the vault, hence Eames would have said that knowing that the plan to Incept with so many levels involved has failed. They planned it, surely they would wanted to see the results rite?

best movie EVARRR

i like the ideas of totems, having an architect for a dream, multiple dreams within dreams, limbo.

i really wanna see chris nolan direct some porn movies. should be really awesome

and i thought the snowy mountains was because Eames was in a freezing hotel room...so actually its only a fortress on a normal hill lol

but then its still harder than "a goddamn beach"  

I initially thought this was what happened as well. But I think n00b13 is right in pointing out that Eames said he wished he could see what was inside.

I think to answer the question, did Eames say this, in front of Fisher or when Fisher wasn't around?

I hope so. Would be a nice ending for Fischer. 
Ah, karma. Here's another perspective on the film that I just heard from a friend:

Cobb is not a good person. Neither is Saito. Both of them are trying to victimize Fischer, an innocent man. From a karma point of view, if Cobb is still trapped in a dream world at the end, it's because he deserves it.

Also, I mentioned this before - I got the impression that Cobb incepted an idea into Saito, the same idea he incepted into Mal. Which means that Saito would eventually believe that reality is not real, and that he will end up killing himself. Which, again, is what he deserves.

1. Wrong. If you die in dreamland, you go into limbo until your sedation wears off. Then you wake up. The question is, are you still sane after that?

Actually what Fischer saw is fake also, they had planned the 'safe box' for Fischer to 'con'vince himself. But the truth of did Fischer dad love him or not is not important, the important is that Fischer 'believes' his dad did love him and wish him to build his own empire ... Cobb and the rest planning this for many times ... do you remember there's a scene where Cobb saying how to convince Fischer in a 'positive' way to destroy his own empire ... the best way was actually make him believe his dad love him and want him to destroy it.

Saito is really in the Limbo dreamland ... Cobb is really trying to save him ... Cobb is actually not a bad guy, he just trying to fool with ability, but never thought such a small change of mind would end up killing his own wife. From that day onwards his mind and heart never get into peace ... the 'Mal' in his heart is full of anger, guilt, and vengeance ....

Finally he got his peace ... but end up in dream land forever  ... his 'Mal' is no longer there because he heal his heart's wound already. That's why I say dunno is this a good ending or bad ending.

Eames said it when Fischer was "dead".