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talexeh
post Jul 15 2010, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 15 2010, 02:46 PM)
Just watched it, and I must say, I was a bit underwhelmed. The first hour, where they introduced the dream world and the rules that govern it, is marvelous. It's only midway through the heist when things get really complex and you (well I anyway) struggled to keep up. I was trying to train my thought on one thing and the film just waltzes past and throws me another Thing That I have To Wrap My Brain Around. To be honest, I think it gets too complicated for its own good at times. Too much on-the-fly thinking does suck away the enjoyment, you know. And there is an emotional centre to it, but again, the reason it doesn't quite work out is because, at least partially, you can't feel the emotions when you're wrecking your brain thinking. In the end, I still have some big questions that need answering. It's either that or they're large plotholes. Probably the former. So I'll watch it again in a few days, and I won't really judge it before I do.
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Sounds like the kind of movie where the frequency of watching it correlates with the amount of the plot you'll be unearthing. hmm.gif
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post Jul 15 2010, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 15 2010, 03:17 PM)
There's one here:
Scratch that, I've figured it out. blush.gif
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LOL. Self enlightenment eh? rclxms.gif
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post Jul 19 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 19 2010, 04:29 PM)
5. Cobb does not live in dream all the while ... the totem did stop spinning at the beginning. He only stuck in dream after he went to save Saito.
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I'm kind of disturbed that so many of us take this as a fact. For someone who has been in & out of dream for so many times, I think the totem is no longer an item that can be relied on to differentiate reality from dream.

Perhaps Cobb, just like us all, is under the impression that he's in reality, so the totem stopped. When he enters the next layer, he knows that he's in a dream & expected the totem to keep spinning... something along that line.

When Ariadne challenged the rule of physics during her training, we don't see the cars fell down from the sky, do we?
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post Jul 19 2010, 05:52 PM

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QUOTE(chenster @ Jul 19 2010, 05:46 PM)
it did stop but is it because cobb wants it to stop?
because he believes that is his reality?
ahhh... mindf**k it is
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That is exactly the point most of us here seem to miss. Everyone relies too much on the fact (or rather lies) that totem stop = reality. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 19 2010, 06:14 PM

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jul 19 2010, 05:53 PM)

Added on July 19, 2010, 5:56 pm
Hey talexeh is that top in your avatar about to topple? Beware, your answer will determine the ending to the film for everyone!
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post Jul 20 2010, 12:46 AM

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Just back from 2nd viewing & I tried my best not to focus too much on what went on the screen but to rely more on hearing. Nevertheless, these are what I caught.

The Train
There were 3 main occasions when the train appeared.
  1. Cobb & Mal's suicide to exit the dream world.
  2. On the first floor (just above basement) when Ariadne invaded Cobb's dream world.
  3. In the first layer when they're on the inception mission.
Most of us saw that both Cobb & Mal were old in their very very deep dream world but when they suicide, they were young. Some of us (too many pages to link to) came up with the opinion that whenever they die, they move a layer up (just like how Arthur when he was killed in the Saito's extraction mission layer 2 woke up in layer 1) so the railway suicide could be their first layer, just before reality.

Assuming that basement floor in Cobb's locked dream world is the projection of Cobb's reality when Mal jumped to her death, then we can take the floor with the train (first floor) as his projection of the first layer where both Mal & him suicide by getting ran over by train.

Therefore, when they enter the first layer during the inception mission, a train appear out of nowhere & Ariadne mentioned that the train is not in her design. Cobb didn't admit that it was his projection but shifted the blame to Arthur for not checking Fischer's background properly.

Contradiction: No train appeared in the first layer of Saito's extraction mission. It might appear in the background, but we never know. sad.gif

The Elevator
Like mentioned above, the elevator in Cobb's locked dream world might correlate to what will be projected in each layer when Cobb is involved.

First floor is the train, first layer a train appear out of nowhere. No Mal & the children too in both first floor & first layer.

Second floor is the house where Cobb has to runaway & only the children appeared, digging for worms in the garden. The same thing happened in the second layer where he only saw the children playing in the hotel lobby.

Third floor onwards, I have no idea. tongue.gif

Contradiction: Mal did appear in the second layer of Saito's extraction mission. sad.gif I'll leave this to you guys.

The Totem
The totem is not a reliable object. Arthur specifically told Ariadne that it's something meant to prove that you're not in someone else's dream... which means that it's not gonna be useful if you're in your own dream. The possibility? That perhaps Mal is right all along, that all this is Cobb's dream from the beginning. This is the very reason I don't trust the totem from the beginning.

Third Layer
I'm not really sure but whose dream is this supposed to be? Before they went into the third layer, I clearly heard that they're going into Fischer's dream but when they're in third layer, they point to it as Eames dream. rclxub.gif Were they just trying to bluff Fischer since he was just beside them in the third layer?

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post Jul 20 2010, 01:08 AM

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QUOTE(n00b13 @ Jul 20 2010, 12:59 AM)
No, I don't think Mal and Cobb went through multiple layers. I think they went into limbo because they populated their dream world with too many memories.
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But Cobb told Ariadne that they (Cobb & Mal) went too deep because they're not aware of the reality:dream time ratio. rclxub.gif You have a point there.

Oh yea, to those (again, too many pages to read back all of 'em) who suggested that they can escape limbo once the sedative ran out, I can confirm that since I heard Yusuf mentioning so in the first layer. However, once the sedative ran out, the dreamer would have spent too long in limbo & lost his sanity once he return to reality.
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post Jul 20 2010, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(Zephyr_Mage @ Jul 20 2010, 06:50 AM)
Didn't they mention they were going into Browning's dream? So Fischer would think the secret he found in the dream is Browning's secret.
But in actual fact they were just lying to him as they were really going into Eames's dream.
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Yes, they did mention that to him before putting him to sleep in layer 3. However, once he passed out, Cobb mentioned that they're gonna go into Fischer's. Once inside, he shouted to Eames "Hey Eames, this is your dream so bla bla bla". rclxub.gif Can someone who's gonna watch it the again check this out? notworthy.gif
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post Jul 20 2010, 11:08 AM

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I found a good read. It's kinda wall of text so don't go TL;DR on me. Link is http://www.cinematical.com/2010/07/19/diss...ive-plot-holes/ if you prefer some pictures to make your reading any easier.
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post Jul 20 2010, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(ReWeR @ Jul 20 2010, 11:25 AM)
Like I said b4 ... it was not Cobb's dream all the while. The first part of the movie is really in reality. The pic of 5 levels actually is an official release, so it has the final says.
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I think stressing your opinion or view onto others as the best / finalized interpretation is not a good way to incept the idea to us. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 20 2010, 11:26 AM)
i do think cobb is one if the subject for inception so he can accept the guilt, the theory that Ariadne is Cobb's therapist is quite possible since she is the only one that really understand the issue with Cobb and try to help him. so in the summary of the movie is a 2.5 hour therapy session for Cobb. like shutter island  laugh.gif
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So you really go through the whole articles eh? rclxms.gif
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post Jul 20 2010, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 20 2010, 11:35 AM)
Wow countless pages later and still it seems we havent exhaust all possibilities. Have we even gotten full circle yet ? Familiar dilemma. Like the paradox stair case from the film ? Its possible that we can go and go on and on without ever finding the truth.

The more i think about this, the more i believe Nolan has cleverly 'incepted' the audience. The sheer amount of details and sequence while created to build up the plots (or padding if you insist), are also there to implant all sorts of little ideas of conflicting nature for us to become aware later. I want to know exactly what happens in the film and i think i do know, but reluctantly, i can never be sure of it.

Here is an interesting take on the film that perceived it as a metaphor and underlines some significant revelations that some of us might have totally missed. While his opinion of what he perceived as real is up for debate, his take on what the film and its meaning makes it a very interesting and worth the read.

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That's definitely another nice piece of article. smile.gif Gosh, it'll come to a stage where even Nolan himself might be ROFLHAO with all the different interpretations people are coming up with. biggrin.gif
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post Jul 20 2010, 01:02 PM

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QUOTE(hfi @ Jul 20 2010, 11:55 AM)
The damn top is still spinning in my head!! Make it stop!:P
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post Jul 20 2010, 03:33 PM

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QUOTE(ate @ Jul 20 2010, 03:11 PM)
why cant ellen page just crush over all the obstacles
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Too many weird incidents in the dream would alert the subconscious projections & this will put a risk on the inception success rate.
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post Jul 21 2010, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Jul 21 2010, 08:41 AM)
the impossible staircase from the movie is the work of M C Escher

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http://www.planetperplex.com/en/impossible_staircase.html

this poster is very much base on Escher's style

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Escher's Relativity

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my favourite illusion by Escher the waterfall, see how it recycle the water

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Err... it's just a penrose staircase that we've learned in art class during schooling days. shakehead.gif
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_stairs

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post Jul 25 2010, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(malayneum @ Jul 25 2010, 02:53 PM)
not only that. this movie also recycling the plot from Vanilla Sky.
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No no, you're wrong. Nolan got his inspiration from this comic strip:
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