because they are so deep inside the dream would think decades have pass before they get back, they would have been a old man in a young body, or got insane before they run down the clock.

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Added on July 19, 2010, 5:10 pmEames discover that Fischer was distance with his father and that he desperately want to have acceptance from his father, so he planted the story of the final will, and the idea grow inside Fischer and he dream of his father in the vault and the paper windmill to convince himself that his father was not disappointed at him and want him to live his own life.

This post has been edited by robertngo: Jul 19 2010, 05:10 PM

Yes i would think that Cobb was stuck in the Limbo forever...remember the second level where the van hit the water Saito and Cobb drowned...hence when it cut to the last scene where the security guards found out Cobb at the beach, is probably to simulate the second level where both of them drowned. Saito died at the 2nd level when he got shot hence he wasnt in the water but met Cobb in the Limbo in a place is not specified

. It was Cobb's dream at the Snow Fortress that got him & Ariadne into the limbo..and when Eames blew up the fortress, he killed Cobb since he didnt wake up in time. Ariadne and Fischer did and got kicked.. blowing up the fortress now THAT made Cobb stuck in a Limbo forever

therefore when Saito and Cobb decided to shoot themselves at the last part we only see the part where they wake up in the plane..probably this could be a part of Cobb's projection of the 1st level where Saito promises Cobb freedom, this is justified further by looking at his kids that didnt age at all and still wearing the same clothes from all of the projection he had previously.

therefore i can assume that the last part Cobb is still stuck in a Limbo and he hasnt realised it because his subconcious mind is projecting what he has always wanted..to be his kids at last...that is his reality..OMG i figured this all out by reading this thread..

I had a feeling something had to give with all the intricate planning and with all those self defense mechanism in those levels

f*** Cobb dies

This post has been edited by triple02: Jul 19 2010, 05:21 PM

cukup laa..
well at least he's happy with his life now..
and the best part.. he doesn;t know hes dreaming!

wow where are the spoilers tag
finally know the true ending

And too give the other the kick as well, perhaps. It's another thing the movie fails to really explain, I think. If the dreamer can in fact go deeper into the dreams without the preceding dream collapsing, then I think my theory on Cobb and Mal is sound.

Really, the only thing they did was to plant the seed of doubt in Fischer's mind that his father might have actually really loved him and wanted him to become a man of his own. This was primarily done in level 1, when Eames was impersonating Browning. It was here also that Fischer, subsubconsiously, began to suspect Browning's involvement in the kidnapping. In level 2, the hotel, the Browning that enters the room and is apprehended by Cobb is entirely a projection of Fischer's mind. From then on, the team knows the very basic idea is in already planted, and they basically push him on, telling Fischer what he already suspects.

I already answered this. Padding! Time slows down even more in level 3, and to juxtapose this with the relatively faster time in level 2, they have to have the characters do something busy, like taking on entire teams of generic henchman, sniping, making their way through snow. The same can be said about the zero-gravity scenes in which we are shown nothing but Arthur moving the bodies from one location to the another. It's the only reason for all this bullshit action. Why couldn't they have just placed their point of entry right in the fortress? This is one (and maybe only) area of the script that's not only not up to Nolan's high standards, but also shockingly bad.

This post has been edited by QuickFire: Jul 19 2010, 05:24 PM

yea i get that, just that Eames said "i wanna know whats in there" after Fischer got shot, any idea what he wanna see?

He wanted to see the idea they planted finally mature.

oops....must have missed it when browsing through the sea of words

now it makes sense, thanks bro

The dreamer doesn't have to be the architect. E.g. Throughout all levels 1, 2, 3, Fisher is the Dreamer but Ariadne is the architect. (remember the self defense killers in all 3 levels)

The architect's role is to just design the layout. The Dreamer's role is to dream and fill the layout with his dreams.

Yeah. This is now what I believe.

Which kinda makes me think that Fisher was dreamer and Eames was architect. I really need to think this through I guess.

They just stay in limbo till the sedation wears off. The problem is, if they are in level 3, 5 mins in real world is like 50 years in level 3. Apparently in limbo, it's much worse. So now imagine staying in a dreamworld for that long. All alone.

well the environment is built by an architect, and she brief the dreamer about the layout

every dream there will be 3 major components:

1. the dreamer (the "host", where he will build the layout based on what the architect designed)
2. the mark (where he will fill in his subconscious as projections and the safe to contain his secrets)
3. the participants (other members that get "linked" by the machine)

well if you are the dreamer you can dream up the world full of hot chicks and project all you deepest fetish on to it

I got 1 question. During when did Cobb's totem stop spinning?? Coz I dont recall it stop.

Or maybe the totem will just go according to the dreamer's wish, as he said that you can create everything in the dream.

Because you cannot completely control your dream (or other person dream)

Remember Cobb's Mal and kids always come out unexpectedly?

Third dream end up far from fortress is actually an accident ... the more accident part is the fortress super heavy guard ... because Fischer was trained to defense his mind previously. Lucky Cobb successfully 'con'vince to Fischer that those defense are actually enemy to Fischer ... so actually Fischer is fighting with his own sub-conscious to get to the 'safety box' ... they are so evil ...

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Added on July 19, 2010, 5:32 pmIn the beginning of the movie it did stop a few times ... indicate Cobb is in reality.

This post has been edited by ReWeR: Jul 19 2010, 05:32 PM

Aahhhhh. Good one.

I think that's something we've been missing all along in this discussion - the fact that they didn't know Fischer's subconscious would be guarded. The layout of each level was probably planned all along; Ariadne must have designed the streets, the hotel and the snow fortress beforehand. But everything else would have been improvised. Remember the "Mr. Charles" ploy wasn't part of their original plan.



This post has been edited by n00b13: Jul 19 2010, 05:43 PM

Yeah, but they didn't exactly tell how much of it is under control. It's all very incoherently presented, this part. I mean, if you're not very sure where you're gonna spawn at, why make the whole goddamn level so big? Why not just make it just the fortress, like what they did in level 2? Hmm, now that I think about it, perhaps it's such a large area to give room to Cobb for sniping the guards at the fortress. That's probably the only logical explanation. Doesn't matter. The whole of the snow level is filler.

Btw, Ariadne was the architect for all three levels. The dreamers were Yusof, Arthur and Eames for level 1, 2, and 3 respectively. Eames just added some kind of bullshit shortcut in his level, the only purpose for this "shortcut" is to have the film force Ariadne into telling the layout of the level to Cobb whose projection of Mal then uses the info to kill Fischer. See, some parts of the script is so contrived it's just bullshit.

Yes, Quickfire, also to provide the kick.

Remember the first mission against Saito?

Level 1 was the traitor's dream. Level 2 was Saito's dream.

Saito thought it was still his dream when they went into Level 1.

Therefore I disagree with you.

omg ... stop ... putting ... thoughts ... into my head ......

A world of Ellen Pages!!!!!! in bikinis!!!!! ...

At the beginning after the first failed mission.

This post has been edited by +Newbie+: Jul 19 2010, 05:48 PM

Dude, this isn't contrived, it makes perfect sense.

The shortcut is for easy access to the vault...

it did stop but is it because cobb wants it to stop?
because he believes that is his reality?
ahhh... mindf**k it is

Believe what you want to believe mate... looks like the movie did plant so many inceptions in our heads...