aiyah , its a undisputed fact ,samsung is the world top seller in hdtv the last 2 years and will continue to dominate this section in years to come.
and they dont get there by accident or mistakes

just go visit any US or UK avs forum , you'll see they talk more about sammy new models than any other brand and they seem to have more confident on samsung more than ever.

for the records , sammy top range models dont come cheap. i personally likes sammy more than the rest and even their plasma have fantastic color accuracy and reproduction . except for black levels, most other features , it beat the pana hands down. i have the feeling sammy have the technology to produce deeper black , maybe out of protection for their LCDs , they refuse to do it. as for their LCD, they are simply way ahead of others except to sony but even that ,only to sony's highest end model but sony is damn expensive

samsung have invested heck a lot of money on LCD's R&D and surely they would not want to dissapoint the market and the end users.japanese products are well known for its high quality but if there is one brand who could compete with the jap , it is samsung. the last frontier for sammy to conquer is their after sales service which is a little bit of unknown or unproven

go ask about or observe the koreans , they are really a dynamic race

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Mar 27 2009, 10:55 PM

No lah...i think pana makes good plasma. Just think it would be better if they include a USB port rather then the SD slot.

[quote=sunnyK,Mar 27 2009, 10:54 PM]
aiyah , its a undisputed fact ,samsung is the world top seller in hdtv the last 2 years and will continue to dominate this section in years to come.
and they dont get there by accident or mistakes

just go visit any US or UK avs forum , you'll see they talk more about sammy new models than any other brand and they seem to have more confident on samsung more than ever.

for the records , sammy top range models dont come cheap. i personally likes sammy more than the rest and even their plasma have fantastic color accuracy and reproduction . except for black levels, most other features , it beat the pana hands down. i have the feeling sammy have the technology to produce deeper black , maybe out of protection for their LCDs , they refuse to do it.


Isn't the most important thing is a flat panel is the black levels? That is why Pioneer was and still is the best. And now, most US and UK forums agree, Pana has the closest black levels as Pioneer.

Thus, you admit, Sammy has not as good as Pana black levels. So how good can it really be?

some Brands with their multiple models are aim as mass production - volume more important that other aspect eg. PQ
some Brands with their limited model are aim at a certain targeted population - better PQ, may lack a few simple nigly things and are price like hell..

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[quote=sunnyK,Mar 27 2009, 10:54 PM]
aiyah , its a undisputed fact ,samsung is the world top seller in hdtv the last 2 years and will continue to dominate this section in years to come.
and they dont get there by accident or mistakes

just go visit any US or UK avs forum , you'll see they talk more about sammy new models than any other brand and they seem to have more confident on samsung more than ever.

for the records , sammy top range models dont come cheap. i personally likes sammy more than the rest and even their plasma have fantastic color accuracy and reproduction . except for black levels, most other features , it beat the pana hands down. i have the feeling sammy have the technology to produce deeper black , maybe out of protection for their LCDs , they refuse to do it.
Isn't the most important thing is a flat panel is the black levels? That is why Pioneer was and still is the best. And now, most US and UK forums agree, Pana has the closest black levels as Pioneer.

Thus, you admit, Sammy has not as good as Pana black levels. So how good can it really be?

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nope , to me deepest black doesnt mean the best.infact most buyer dont care much about that either. as long as the black level are ok to the eyes and does not affect overall viewing . other as important are contrast , color reproduction and ofcoz color accuracy. if you compare the kuro with sammy or panny side by side ,ofcoz the kuro stands out ,but on their own , both the panny and sammy are good enough as the gap of black level of their latest model have close on with kuro.price wise ,the kuro are way too high to justify owning it and thats why pioneer has to tapau sooner than expected and i do feel sorry for them

there's no doubt pioneer produces the best hdtv and i would love to own one if i could afford but i felt their deep black have been overhyped by the media critics, what else do you want the critic to write .many ignore the pioneer antiglare panel is so good and so is its color accuracy .however , it must be remember that plasma does not have better whites than the LCD and thus plasma is only better watching hollywood movies with dark or action scene, put the LCD in a bright living hall and watch planet earth or discovery channels or hong kong Tv drama on bright daylight scene , the LCD really really are impressive. the LCD 10bit and above panel really produce fantastic colors which beat the plasma hands down.the reason why the sammy LCD are so desirable is becoz it produce plasma black level

do take note black levels of the sammy latest plasma have improve tremendously

panny will be the no 1 here in malaysia and south east asia becoz of its reputation and its market network and also it offer the best overall package.
if you look for basic or entry level model with not much fancy on design and other features , the panny offer the best value and thats why it is selling so well
but i find panny model a little dull

i am excited about panny latest plasma and hope the design improves and thay add in a few more features

This post has been edited by sunnyK: Mar 28 2009, 07:48 AM

Question: What do you mean by better whites? Brighter whites or more accurate white reproduction. White is defined in the CIE chart as x: 0.3127, y: 0.33. This is D65 white. All TV/Movie production be it PAL, NTSC or HD is aligned in the white colour points. If you mean by white levels, then in a dim environment, the white levels for recommended movie viewing are in the region of 30-40ft/L. However, in a home environment daytime viewing you might need to boost it to ~ 45-50ft/L. LCD typically can do that since they do not have a APL in displaying a full white pattern. However, a lot of LCDs do that at the expense of a bluish white reproduction. Again for colours, they can be represented in the CIE chart. A lot of LCDs and Plasmas that I have seen reproduce the colours way out of the CIE colour chart and the luminance (brightness) are all way off. A lot of people seem to like this garish colours. Once the general public cares and actually understands this, it is easier to make your decision. Again, if all this does not matter, go for what looks best to you. The produce fantastic colours part, needs to be corrected to produce accurate colours. The only Sammy LCDs that can produce deep blacks that can rival the plasmas are the LED backlighting ones. They have their own set of problems. No display tecnnology is perfect , yet. One day we will all be treated to a perfect display. Till then, we have to choose. Make a educated choice.

Actually deepest black means better color reproduction and accuracy. That's why pioneer kuro is currently the best HDTV money can buy. The kuro price is not that expensive in those developed country, but we are living in a country where every imported goods are been taxed heavily.

I agree Sammy produce quality LCD. In fact, I would say its better than alot of those japanese lcd makers out there.
I'm fond of Sammy's LED LCD series 9, cos it produce blur free image than its other LED LCD rival Sony's XBR450. Not to mention the price is cheaper as well.

Sammy's plasma do improve alot. It's color accuracy and black level is very good. But the panel can get very hot compare to other plasma maker brand. I do hope Sammy can resolve this problem in their 2009 plasma.

I would like to give credit for Sammy, cos its the only TV developer to take note on the design of the TV, the quality and alot of features as well.

Panny new Plasma improved on the white level. Sometimes you feels like watching a LCD. But still the color accuracy is not that good. Finger cross, and hope their up coming Full HD plasma model getting close on kuro quality with affordable price.

Actually the strengths of the Sammy LCDs 650s and above have the ability to correct colour since they have a complete CMS (Colour Management System). Same goes to the Sammy plasmas. Panny 2009 plasmas improve contrast ratios by increasing the white level. Neo-PDP technology allows for that. I believe with New-PDP and 5-10lumens tech in Plasma they will be able to compete with LCDs in the showroom environment. Bear in mind, that they already thump LCDs in home environment. I also believe that LCDs will continue to improve with LED improvements and probably OLED sometime in the future.

Pannys full HD 2009 sets come close to the 2007 Kuros probably their next years plasma will be closer to the 2008 Kuros. Then if they remain in the plasma technolgy their 2011 sets should surpass Kuros. They have been rumored to have hired the outgoing Pioneer engineers.

so bottom line is ....? Plasma better than LCD??

Pana G10 lcd available in Malaysia.
http://www.panasonic.com.my/web/pid/7777/Spec
But couldn't find the panel response time. Would be better if they could come up with 42" later

Setting aside pricing issues and etc, the answer is yes.. and will be yes if Panny continues improving their tech using their new engineers...

(........news cutting... before Pioneer announced to exit from plasma biz)
Combining Pioneer's technologies concerning high light-emitting efficiency, high contrast and slim panels and Matsushita's technology for high efficiency, they will endeavor to raise the image quality and lower the prices, energy consumption and environmental loads of their 40-inch and larger plasma TVs.

At the press conference, Pioneer Senior Executive Officer Susumu Otani first explained their partnership. He said the companies agreed on the comprehensive partnership.

"We both can greatly slash costs as Matsushita's technology can produce panels incorporating Pioneer's technology," he said.

The companies will each offer products that feature their proprietary image processing technology to users, he added.

Following Otani, Matsushita Managing Executive Officer Ken Morita made a speech. Matsushita has, "in one fell swoop, obtained engineers that are robust enough to accelerate development," thanks to the transfer of Pioneer engineers, he said. And he announced Matsushita will develop a 42-inch class, approximately 150W panel that can be mounted on a wall targeting 2010

I thaught they will going to abandon the plasma in future, no? Plasma not going to develop anymore. Pioneer is stopping. Hitachi is stopping. Left panny and not sure whoelse.

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Added on March 29, 2009, 1:45 amPersonally, I prefer LED LCD than normal LCD type. I have two laptop which one is LED lcd and another is normal. After few years, the normal type lcd brightness will getting fade and uneven. All 4 corner panel are getting low the brightness. While the LED lcd still look pretty bright and no sign of fade. The whole bright panel are even. I still have to lower down the brightness of the LED lcd while the normal type got to max out. But LED lcd light leaking is greater than normal lcd. (My experience maybe canot compare to LCD TV)
One more good about LED lcd is, it 3x thinner than normal lcd and use less power consumption.

This post has been edited by ozak: Mar 29 2009, 01:51 AM

that argument will soon to be obsolute if not already .

atleast one seller is selling the older Panny 42" Plasma at <>RM3,000. Can we get an LCD at 42" for that price?

http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/348254
here FULL HD 42 incher around 3k mark

42LZ80MK Full HD - RM3,300 cash (free HDMI cable)

42PV80H HD - RM3,250 cash

slightly smaller Full hd
37LZ80MK Full HD- RM2,650 cash (free HDMI cable

there are a few more actually. lcdtv are real cheap these days

This post has been edited by Hwoarang45: Mar 29 2009, 02:57 AM

This is the cheapest I see so far in lowyat.net, when she has stock PV80 was at RM2999

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=504436&hl=

yes commontan is the cheapest. Can believe her 42 inch Pana LCD is only RM3100 and some idiot retailers out there selling for RM4200

I'm still waiting for her new Panasonic plasma price. PM'ed her and she say it will be available next week.

I bet it would be RM3100 or most RM3200.


Shocker also the old 50 inch Plasma. She sells Rm5500 and the crooks outside selling RM6900. ANyway, despite being a plasma fan, I believe the Full HD Panasonic 42 inch LCD at RM3100 is super cheap.

Much cheaper than even overseas.

When I strike my Toto Mega 6/52, and I got too much of money and don't know what to do with it, it would be a good toy to fix to my notebook.

This post has been edited by michaeltan1943: Mar 29 2009, 11:03 AM

ooowww so tempting me gotta get me a 42 incher .....hmmmm mama....

Price is cheap, just buy no need to think.