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post Mar 27 2009, 02:01 PM

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very troublesome to plug in the camcorder. Got power and video audio cables. In the end much easier to plug in sd card. And you can even lend your friend to watch instead of handing him the camcorder and cables.
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Its very wrong to think of your customer as very low tech and not knowledgable. If you underestimate your customer, you will eventually lose them to the competitors who provide better and more convenient features.

SD card have very low capacity compare to USB HDD. If you design a product, you won't want to design it for limited use such as it can only play video or photo files taken from pana camcorders only. Why don't design them with USB port that can play dvix, avi etc so that it appeal to more users?

Why you think Samsung is the leader in TV now? Just look at the features in Samsung TV now and its prety obvious.
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Mar 27 2009, 01:53 PM)
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SD card is to hold data...
USB is a connector..
where is the same la uncle???


You need me to explain to you in simple language kah? The USB i was referring is USB thumbdrive.


Added on March 27, 2009, 3:27 pm
i thought all those camcorder/digitial camera and etc got USB port or USB cable provided..??? rclxub.gif
then no need plug in and plug out the SD card just to view the picture or video...
somemore i think camcorder do provide av cable..more easier i guess

so i still think have a USB port is much better than had SD slot..
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LOL, You know the diference between male and female usb interface?


Added on March 27, 2009, 3:33 pm
QUOTE(DigitalKL @ Mar 27 2009, 02:01 PM)
very troublesome to plug in the camcorder. Got  power and video audio cables. In the end much easier to plug in sd card. And you can even lend your friend to watch instead of handing him the camcorder and cables.
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true, messy to plug in cables. So much easier to jusy slot in the sd card. Nobody uses the AV cables anymore.



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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 27 2009, 02:38 PM)
Its very wrong to think of your customer as very low tech and not knowledgable.  If you underestimate your customer, you will eventually lose them to the competitors who provide better and more convenient features. 

SD card have very low capacity compare to USB HDD.  If you design a product, you won't want to design it for limited use such as it can only play video or photo files taken from pana camcorders only.  Why don't design them with USB port that can play dvix, avi etc so that it appeal to more users? 

Why you think Samsung is the leader in TV now?  Just look at the features in Samsung TV now and its prety obvious.
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which Samsung model got this usb feature? LCD or Plasma?....know the model or link? wanna take a look.....PQ will better than Pana?.... sweat.gif

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QUOTE(sam240 @ Mar 27 2009, 03:50 PM)
which Samsung model got this usb feature? LCD or Plasma?....know the model or link? wanna take a look.....PQ will better than Pana?.... sweat.gif
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AVC is Panasonic's video codec. They own most of the IPs in the video codec. They are just extending the use of their own codec. They dont have to pay other people for IP fee (or at least not that much).

Samsung has their own brand of plug and play feature. It is not "cucuk dan main" but i forgot the name ..
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QUOTE(g5sim @ Mar 27 2009, 04:11 PM)
AVC is Panasonic's video codec. They own most of the IPs in the video codec. They are just extending the use of their own codec. They dont have to pay other people for IP fee (or at least not that much).

Samsung has their own brand of plug and play feature. It is not "cucuk dan main" but i forgot the name ..
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What i mean is why SD card? Why not USB? Imagine you have camcorder with SD card and when it fill-up , you transfer them to your external HDD. And after 1 years you have transfer like 100 video to you hard disk. To view them in the Pana tv, you have to transfer them back to the SD card only then you can view them. Eventually you end up not viewing them anymore because its too inconvenient.

Why not have a universal USB port where you can plug in any pendrive, USB HDD, or even a card reader for the SD card!
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 27 2009, 04:37 PM)
What i mean is why SD card?  Why not USB?  Imagine you have camcorder with SD card and when it fill-up , you transfer them to your external HDD.  And after 1 years you have transfer like 100 video to you hard disk.  To view them in the Pana tv, you have to transfer them back to the SD card only then you can view them.  Eventually you end up not viewing them anymore because its too inconvenient. 

Why not have a universal USB port where you can plug in any pendrive, USB HDD, or even a card reader for the SD card!
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it is a card reader for the sd card.
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post Mar 27 2009, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 27 2009, 04:37 PM)
What i mean is why SD card?  Why not USB?  Imagine you have camcorder with SD card and when it fill-up , you transfer them to your external HDD.  And after 1 years you have transfer like 100 video to you hard disk.  To view them in the Pana tv, you have to transfer them back to the SD card only then you can view them.  Eventually you end up not viewing them anymore because its too inconvenient. 

Why not have a universal USB port where you can plug in any pendrive, USB HDD, or even a card reader for the SD card!
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aisey man! when you got them all in HDD, then you use Media Players like WDTV liao. The SD card is for quick preview etc and sharing.
go buy Samsung la, solve all your problems.... rolleyes.gif doh.gif laugh.gif

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QUOTE(DigitalKL @ Mar 27 2009, 04:55 PM)
aisey man! when you got them all in HDD, then you use Media Players like WDTV liao. The SD card is for quick preview etc and sharing.
go buy Samsung la, solve all your problems.... rolleyes.gif  doh.gif  laugh.gif
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Somemore got no secondhand value. My Korean handphone, bought RM1500 but 6 months later, sold it for RM400.

Koreans are no match lah compared with the Japanese. They just pandai advertise.

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QUOTE(DigitalKL @ Mar 27 2009, 04:55 PM)
aisey man! when you got them all in HDD, then you use Media Players like WDTV liao. The SD card is for quick preview etc and sharing.
go buy Samsung la, solve all your problems.... rolleyes.gif  doh.gif  laugh.gif
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That is exactly why samsung is the leader in LCD TV with Sony in 2nd and LG in 3rd place....and where is pana? sweat.gif

Don't get me wrong...i'm not saying that pana is making bad TV. Just saying that they don't really innovates...

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anyway with SD slot or USB slot, both useless unless there is a buildin player. like PV80 has a SD slot but no AVCHD "player" - can only view jpeg files, not movies.

Are you sure the Samsung can play movie files? I doubt it but if you say yes then say which model?

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some model are meant for mainstream users and will be produce as mass products and the manufacturers make sure their price remain competitive and thus surely dont have all the connectivity and features .this are ofcourse the lower end products for poorer people who dont have all the modern electronic and digital gadgets

got to agree sammy lcd/plasma have all the connectivity and feature for convenience although its still from their higher end range. samsung as the market leader has taken the lead to be the innovator

all up and coming models must have sufficient connectivity as standard feature and yet prices must remain competitive or otherwise they be doom to close shop

such a good time to own high definition gadgets between now and the next 3 years , we are all so lucky to be alive in this era

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 27 2009, 07:19 PM)
That is exactly why samsung is the leader in LCD TV with Sony in 2nd and LG in 3rd place....and where is pana? sweat.gif

Don't get me wrong...i'm not saying that pana is making bad TV.  Just saying that they don't really innovates...
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this is from the The Star Business today:

PETALING JAYA: Panasonic Malaysia Sdn Bhd, which yesterday introduced three series of Viera plasma and liquid crystal display (LCD) televisions, expects to maintain its dominant position in the domestic flat TV segment.

Managing director Tony Endoh said Panasonic had experienced steady growth in the segment over the past two years and expected this to continue despite the economic turmoil.

For the larger screen size of 50-inch and above, Viera has captured the top position with 43% market share and is far ahead of other brands.

In the plasma TV category, Viera is maintaining the absolute No. 1 position with a market share of 57%, as reported by GfK (a market research firm) in January,” he added.

Endoh said this at the launch of Panasonic’s latest G, S and X series, which come with screen sizes ranging from 32 to 50 inches.

Panasonic Asia Pacific Pte Ltd regional sales and marketing director Hiroyoshi Suga said although the company was now a leader in the flat TV segment, it aimed to capture more share in the 37-inch and above market.

He added that Panasonic had achieved 25% market share in five countries in Asia-Pacific for the 37-inch and above segment.

According to GfK’s data, Panasonic’s Viera has emerged as the No. 1 brand since May 2008 in the 37-inch and above for total flat panel TV.

“The penetration rate of flat panel TV in household is still very low in Malaysia with just 13.8% in 2008. However, once it hit 10%, the rate curve increased exponentially.

“This year, the rate is forecast to increase to 24.1%, mainly through the replacement market from CRT (cathode-ray tube) TV to flat panel TV,” Endoh said.

He said despite the economic slowdown, the company would spend on advertising and promotion activities for its Viera products.

“Panasonic spends a lot of money for marketing activities but our competitors are not sleeping either. We will be very flexible in that sense,” he said.

Panasonic spent about RM6mil to market its Viera products last year.

He added that its target market for the new TV series was “people who have a colour TV”.

The group, which celebrates its 33rd anniversary in Malaysia this year, will embark on roadshows and joint promotions nationwide.

In conjunction with the launch, Panasonic is showcasing the world’s largest 150-inch plasma and the ultra-slim 8.8mm 50-inch Neo Plasma TVs at Sunway Pyramid Shopping Centre until Sunday.



yea, so that's where Panasonic is...

i nvr trust LGs & Samsung products..not TV, not fridge, not Air-Con not anything...its not that their product is not good, but if a brand is offering a TV at RM15k, and LG or Samsung can do the same at RM10k, u hv to wonder how & why...

look at Pioneer Kuro range...do u get any of those SD card or USB slot crap?? those are gadgets...meant to attract big crowds...

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[quote=DigitalKL,Mar 27 2009, 08:11 PM]anyway with SD slot or USB slot, both useless unless there is a buildin player. like PV80 has a SD slot but no AVCHD "player" - can only view jpeg files, not movies.

Are you sure the Samsung can play movie files? I doubt it but if you say yes then say which model?
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I don't think Samy can play AVCHD files.


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i nvr trust LGs & Samsung products..not TV, not fridge, not Air-Con not anything...its not that their product is not good, but if a brand is offering a TV at RM15k, and LG or Samsung can do the same at RM10k, u hv to wonder how & why...

look at Pioneer Kuro range...do u get any of those SD card or USB slot crap?? those are gadgets...meant to attract big crowds...
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Very true lah! Panasonic will always be No 1.

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QUOTE(DigitalKL @ Mar 27 2009, 08:11 PM)
anyway with SD slot or USB slot, both useless unless there is a buildin player. like PV80 has a SD slot but no AVCHD "player" - can only view jpeg files, not movies.

Are you sure the Samsung can play movie files? I doubt it but if you say yes then say which model?
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I'm sure the samsung can play movies but i'm not sure which model.


Added on March 27, 2009, 9:10 pm
QUOTE(daryl.k @ Mar 27 2009, 08:42 PM)
this is from the The Star Business today:

PETALING JAYA: Panasonic Malaysia Sdn Bhd, which yesterday introduced three series of Viera plasma and liquid crystal display (LCD) televisions, expects to maintain its dominant position in the domestic flat TV segment.

Managing director Tony Endoh said Panasonic had experienced steady growth in the segment over the past two years and expected this to continue despite the economic turmoil.

For the larger screen size of 50-inch and above, Viera has captured the top position with 43% market share and is far ahead of other brands.

In the plasma TV category, Viera is maintaining the absolute No. 1 position with a market share of 57%, as reported by GfK (a market research firm) in January,” he added.

Endoh said this at the launch of Panasonic’s latest G, S and X series, which come with screen sizes ranging from 32 to 50 inches.

Panasonic Asia Pacific Pte Ltd regional sales and marketing director Hiroyoshi Suga said although the company was now a leader in the flat TV segment, it aimed to capture more share in the 37-inch and above market.

He added that Panasonic had achieved 25% market share in five countries in Asia-Pacific for the 37-inch and above segment.

According to GfK’s data, Panasonic’s Viera has emerged as the No. 1 brand since May 2008 in the 37-inch and above for total flat panel TV.

“The penetration rate of flat panel TV in household is still very low in Malaysia with just 13.8% in 2008. However, once it hit 10%, the rate curve increased exponentially.

“This year, the rate is forecast to increase to 24.1%, mainly through the replacement market from CRT (cathode-ray tube) TV to flat panel TV,” Endoh said.

He said despite the economic slowdown, the company would spend on advertising and promotion activities for its Viera products.

“Panasonic spends a lot of money for marketing activities but our competitors are not sleeping either. We will be very flexible in that sense,” he said.

Panasonic spent about RM6mil to market its Viera products last year.

He added that its target market for the new TV series was “people who have a colour TV”.

The group, which celebrates its 33rd anniversary in Malaysia this year, will embark on roadshows and joint promotions nationwide.

In conjunction with the launch, Panasonic is showcasing the world’s largest 150-inch plasma and the ultra-slim 8.8mm 50-inch Neo Plasma TVs at Sunway Pyramid Shopping Centre until Sunday.

yea, so that's where Panasonic is...

i nvr trust LGs & Samsung products..not TV, not fridge, not Air-Con not anything...its not that their product is not good, but if a brand is offering a TV at RM15k, and LG or Samsung can do the same at RM10k, u hv to wonder how & why...

look at Pioneer Kuro range...do u get any of those SD card or USB slot crap?? those are gadgets...meant to attract big crowds...
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Self proclaim champion lah. whistling.gif

57% market share for 50" and above, but 50" and above makes up only a small percentage of the overall flat TV market lah. Its the 40" and below that is selling like hot cakes and pana is not doing well here.

I won't say if Samsung or LG brand is good or bad, but they are turning heads and gaining market share worldwide. Just check out any review sites and you'll see Samsung LCD dominatings the reviews. Just because you don't trust their product don't make them bad lah.

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 27 2009, 09:02 PM)
I'm sure the samsung can play movies but i'm not sure which model.


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Self proclaim champion lah.   whistling.gif

57% market share for 50" and above, but 50" and above makes up only a small percentage of the overall flat TV market lah.  Its the 40" and below that is selling like hot cakes and pana is not doing well here.

I won't say if Samsung or LG brand is good or bad, but they are turning heads and gaining market share worldwide.  Just check out any review sites and you'll see Samsung LCD dominatings the reviews.  Just because you don't trust their product don't make them bad lah.
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Not self proclaimed. Even whathifi mag and countless of reviews say Panasonic is the top. Ask even Best and Harvey Norman, they say Pana is the top seller. Even Philips beat Samsung in terms of sales, according to salesman.


Added on March 27, 2009, 9:43 pmhttp://www.hdtvexpert.com/pages_c/PanasonicLineShow_09.html

"Panasonic, on the other hand, is the acknowledged leader in volume shipments and sales of plasma TVs, and has invested in six different fabs to make them. Not long ago, the company forecast production at over 11 million panels annually by the end of 2009, and while that forecast may be tempered by the current economic slowdown, there’s still plenty of PDP glass coming out of Osaka,"

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Mar 27 2009, 09:02 PM)
I'm sure the samsung can play movies but i'm not sure which model.


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Self proclaim champion lah.  whistling.gif

57% market share for 50" and above, but 50" and above makes up only a small percentage of the overall flat TV market lah.  Its the 40" and below that is selling like hot cakes and pana is not doing well here.

I won't say if Samsung or LG brand is good or bad, but they are turning heads and gaining market share worldwide.  Just check out any review sites and you'll see Samsung LCD dominatings the reviews.  Just because you don't trust their product don't make them bad lah.
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dun get me wrong bro...am not saying LG or Samsung produce bad quality stuffs...nothing like that...its just that, Panny is also very strong in the HDTV segment...and i think its becos of their plasmas that Plasma TV actually still in existent..cos if depend on Kuro, close shop since they selling a TV for the price of a 2nd hand car in Malaysia...

i believe Panny really takes their Plasma TV development seriously, even more so now that Pioneer tapau their PDP production...so, dun la say that Panny heading nowhere...

even with LCD segments, they trying their best to capture the 37in and above segment, that shows their commitment...altho i like panny plasma tv, for LCD, for me Sharp is still number 1...Sony...well, i have a brand issue with Sony, so no matter how good their LCD is also i wont be interested whistling.gif

anyways...no one single brand or product will ever satisfy everybody...some like sammy, some like LG, some like me, like panny & sharp...and HATE Sony products...but even that, everything has its pros & cons..one need to look at its overall performance, value for money, its support, & whether it suits ur liking & preference...

btw, my Sharp LCD blew that day after heavy rain & lightning...dad forgot to unplug the power socket..the response by Sharp? less than 6hrs after i make the phone call...the charges? none.. cos the tech guy very nice and accept my unfilled warranty card thumbup.gif otherwise RM600...so Sharp support... thumbup.gif thumbup.gif thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(DigitalKL @ Mar 27 2009, 09:31 PM)
Oh I remember now! Panasonic also got one new model that have a USB port.....but I forgot which model now.... doh.gif
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