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michaeltan1943
post Jan 29 2009, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 29 2009, 09:46 AM)
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funny, once upon a time I had a friend who swore that handphones will never be less than RM500. He told me about the raw materials crap story too.

Friend, I used to use my company's Mobira Talkman on Atur 450 mobile phone. It was something like RM18,000.

Today, the Rm89 Nokia 1200 is far smaller, cheaper and better yet much cheaper. How come they never stopped production?

My Sony analogue handycam cost RM20,000 too when I first bought. Funny how come can get a Sony hadnycam now for RM800 even. But how come they never stopped production?

You need to start shaving first....
you are talking without logic or manufacturing background.. this theoretical RM999 50inch plasma will be 30-40KG thing made out of 30KG ot metal, plastics and electronics.. bos you know how much is raw material for 30KGs worth of grade A virgin raw material parts (without processing/manufacturing/molding/metal stamping) or not?
those examples you given are 100gm to 2kg items.
also, due to bulk weight, significant distribution and warehousing costs will already eat into a RM999 plasma's retail price.
besides unless you can show me a RM999 plasma, your assumption of a RM999 is dead wrong.

you can't even show me a RM999 34inch jap brand CRT TV, still want to talk so much.
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You are not exposed much and have not travelled much. Malaysian plasma and lcd prices are inflated. See other countries and their prices and you will realise that you do not know much.

Whilst a 52 inch Sharp LCD was sold for RM25,000 (now RM13,999) a few months ago, my friend in the US bought it for US$1199. Now, even can get US$999. My friend in the UK bought it more or less same price. How now can you account for your so called storage, virgin raw materials and profit margin each level of marketing then? Btw, this is a 50KG item.

And a 50 inch Pana plasma is far cheaper in the US. So how lah your theory of raw cost? And that is now. What about 5 years time when penetration is much higher?

So how come the consumer can buy it for US$1199? and yet all those from manufacturer to the marketing levels ie distributor and retailer can still make profit?

Once the penetration increases in Msia and consumers demand more and realise how cheap the flat panels are overseas, prices would drop.

Your comments are based in your small world of just Malaysia. Open your eyes globally.

Friend, your desktop 15 inch LCD was a bomb years ago. Infact, it was like RM5000. Now, you can get a 24 inch widescreen for less than RM900 and a 19 inch for RM400 even.

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post Jan 29 2009, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(eone @ Jan 29 2009, 08:14 PM)
52 inch for US $1,300?

guys, i just saw a philip 42 inch (42PFL5403) lcd tv for RM 4399.. at alamanda carefour, is it a good deal?
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not a good deal. Go to Harvey Norman and you can get the New Pana LCD 42 inch for RM3899. (Friend bought one in Pavillion). And its shockingly 1080p!

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post Jan 29 2009, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 29 2009, 08:32 PM)
you still haven't show me where got RM999  50inch plasma.. talk to me again when that comes reality.. biggrin.gif
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how to show you when I said one day, meaning the future. Tak tahu baca kah?

Basic reading also don't know but want to ask hundred and one times where the RM999 50 inch plasma is.

you are not that bright are you?
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post Jan 29 2009, 08:47 PM

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QUOTE(eone @ Jan 29 2009, 08:45 PM)
Is it THIS model?.. If it is.. the one I mentioned is better...
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bro, yes, that is the model. But philips where can challenge panasonic?
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post Jan 29 2009, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 29 2009, 08:47 PM)
amazing how someone can argue so convincingly about what that didnt happen yet like it's 100% true, you came from the future kah?  biggrin.gif
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If you learn how to read properly, you will see or decipher that I was referring to the future. Friend, learn to read first before jumping your gun.

Who said today ie now, gor RM999 50 inch plasma?
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post Jan 29 2009, 09:23 PM

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true also. Philips makes for Bang & Olufsen also. Believe it or not!

And if Bang and Olufsen say they are that good, then they mean it!

Go for Philips bro, it is as good or better than Pana
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post Jan 29 2009, 10:17 PM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Jan 29 2009, 09:40 PM)
I wrote "amazing how someone can argue so convincingly about what that didnt happen yet like it's 100% true, you came from the future kah? "

you know how to read english or not?  so I mean that you are so convinced in the "future" the price will be rm999...

anyway already offer peace to you bro, lets not change Plasma vs LCD thread into english 101 course..  biggrin.gif
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ok bro. Peace to you too
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post Jan 31 2009, 07:18 PM

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[quote=mattzzx,Jan 31 2009, 02:46 PM]
I'm interested to buy a plasma tv, can anyone advise which better between Hitachi P42E102A and Pioneer PDP-428XG. Where to get a good price in KL?
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Hitachi is quite crap lah. Pioneer I hear is the best
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post Jan 31 2009, 09:04 PM

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QUOTE(lousycar @ Jan 31 2009, 07:36 PM)
You did not hear wrongly
PIONEER = PLASMA
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but honestly, Pioneer's forte was that it used to have the best black levels. But now Panasonic is as good. So, no point spending double buying a Pioneer. Side by side, both blacks are the same. Panasonic also gives 5 year warranty.


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post Jan 31 2009, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Jan 31 2009, 11:06 PM)
am i reading something wrong here?
same?????
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You find it hard to read?
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post Feb 1 2009, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(mattzzx @ Feb 1 2009, 10:16 AM)
Which model much better for 42's pana plasma, TH-42PY800H or TH-42PV80H/HM?
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i'd rather get the PV80 than the PY800 cause the PY800 is more than double the price. Nowdays can get the PV80 for RM3188 but the PY800 is around RM7000.

The PV80 is HD ready 720p whilst the PY800 is Full HD 1080p.

Usually from Standard Definition (480) to HD Ready 720p got big difference in quality of picture.

But from 720p to 1080p, hardly can notice the difference with your visible eye.
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post Feb 1 2009, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Feb 1 2009, 01:44 PM)
In laymen term Full HD meant u can see all the 'hair' clearly ie more detail while HD ready can still see 'hair' but a bit burr....... brows.gif  Only buy Full HD if u intended to watch BD. biggrin.gif
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Not true, i can see hair clearly in HD ready too. Infact, side by side, HD and Full HD, I saw no difference in details like hair etc.

Go to TBM in Bangsar Village and they got both Panasonic side by side. To me, both the same. But one is RM5500 and the other RM13,500 (50 inch models)


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QUOTE(mattzzx @ Feb 1 2009, 02:54 PM)
How about the sound between full HD and HD ready model??
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sound should be the same.

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post Feb 2 2009, 12:14 AM

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QUOTE(KCv3 @ Feb 1 2009, 10:44 PM)
Am looking for Plasma 42". Saw lots of good feedback on panny PV80H (RM3.2k). Anyone has any input on Hitachi E102A (RM3.5k) and LG PG60 (RM3.8k)?

Saw the Hitachi E102A, the picture output turns out not as'fat' as others.
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Panasonic anytime. Hitachi is no where near Panasonic. LG don't talk lah.


Added on February 2, 2009, 12:17 am[quote=ic-klass,Feb 1 2009, 07:39 PM]
If you gonna use it more to watch astro, then i advice you to go for plasma. LCD with plasma, erg bad marriage!!
CRT with Astro = ideal




Agree with you, Astro on LCD is very very bad. And 90% of the time we watch Astro. So why buy LCD? Furthermore, don't know when Astro will upgrade to digital, looks like 2020.



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post Feb 2 2009, 02:38 AM

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QUOTE(kmeng @ Feb 2 2009, 01:49 AM)
Is this thread all about TV brands war? Those TV manufacturer must be very appreciated by having free advertisement down here.
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Everything in life is brands lah, from food to watches and cars to tvs.

Why is every chinaman hungry for a Mercedes and a Rolex?

Brands are so important as it is associated with quality.

Only an idiot would say brands are not important and to just "trust your eyes"

Like that if you see Akira or GC plasma showing pix quality you like, must you buy it?

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post Feb 17 2009, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 17 2009, 11:39 AM)
I believe this is a ALIS display. Hitachi I think. They are slightly different. I read something but it does not come to my mind now. Need to check up. Their technology was slighty different. I believe it was the only interlaced display in the market when it came out.  I am not sure.
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i heard that too, i think their pixel is square as opposed to other plasmas which are round

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post Feb 20 2009, 10:21 PM

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QUOTE(DigitalKL @ Feb 20 2009, 11:14 AM)
LOL...very difficult to argue with gadget store owners..... laugh.gif

We are not comparing 480 vs 1080, or whether it is macroblocking or not, sharp or blur. If you cant tell the difference between these then..... rolleyes.gif
The difference can be subtle. Some panels brighter, some darker. Some ppl like bright. Some they like dark. This is subjective. Its not as simple as black vs white, day vs night.
Some ppl even buy because the bezel looks nicer.....some just for the name brand. If its so clear cut, then a lot of brands also chap lup already and video magazines also chap lup once they review lets say 2009 models and declare the top 10 list.
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ar188 really does not know the meaning of the words objective and subjective. He might be good in Video stuff but he definitely does not understand the meaning of the above two words.


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QUOTE(Matrix @ Feb 20 2009, 09:48 AM)
Yeah, me agrees with ar188 as well.

For a person with decently normal eyesight, can easily tells pixelly graphics, blurriness/sharpness, extra details, colour contrast, blackness etc.

Of course to some level, it MIGHT be subjective, but i believe the majority of people will prefer non-pixelly videos, sharp to blur (as in Blu Ray sharp to DVD's blur and DVD's sharp to even blurrer VCDs), good colour contrast, extra details (can see sweat and hair strand, instead a blog of dunno what) etc.

There'll be some who prefer otherwise, but i daresay 99% of people will falls into the 1st category...it just like some people think fat girls are sexy..with an exposed tummy with 3 spare tyres hanging out.....who here prefer this? tongue.gif (No offence to fat people, just an example, i am not very thin myself either).

As for audio, it really takes a golden ear and very fussy people to spot the detail...not to mentioned a high-end system with multitude of possible configurations.
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nowdays, all good plasmas are more or less the same if the source fed into the plasma is good quality.

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post Feb 26 2009, 10:01 PM

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Hopefully the new Panasonic models would be cheaper. Remember the 50 inch when it was priced at RM18,000 just last year or the year before? Nobody even looked at it.

Then Panasonic Malaysia learnt its lesson and priced accordingly.

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post Feb 28 2009, 09:21 AM

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QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 27 2009, 02:15 PM)
wah korean gang. Hope it dun breakdown like tvix or hyundai car. Hahaha
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My bro used Korean car, every other day, it was in the workshop lah. Even Proton much better than Korean lah
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Do you think a Japan Made Panasonic is higher in quality than a Singapore Made Panasonic?
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QUOTE(saratoga @ Mar 1 2009, 02:15 PM)
agak how much for panny 42PY800H now ?
believe plasma with full-hd format will be BEST smile.gif
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The 42 inch full HD is a waste of money. Better you get the Pana LCD. Half the price at RM3500 and you get 1080p as well.

If you see the overseas price for the plasma full HD, you will realise that the Full HD pricing in Malaysia is way too high. For £999, you can even get 50 inch Pana Full HD in the UK but here, its RM13,000

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