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post Feb 10 2009, 06:02 PM

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Hi Guys, I'm planning to watch movies with PC and connect to Pana 42PV80H via VGA input.

Appreciate that if someone can answers my questions here:
i) I just wonder why the resolution for this 42PV80H is 4:3 (1024 x 768) but not in 16:9 resolution like LCD tv 1366 x 768?
ii) Since this 42PV80H resolution is 1024 x 768 (4:3), what's the maximum resolution that can display when connect to PC? Is 1024 x 576?
iii) Is the maximum resolution is up to 1024 x 576, then when I watch those 720p movie all will be lower to 576p, am I right?
iv) any different on resolution if I connect via HDMI from PC?

I really need help/advice/guide on this, because my planning is watch movie with PC, appreciate that. Thanks.
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post Feb 11 2009, 10:47 AM

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QUOTE(sam240 @ Feb 10 2009, 06:02 PM)
Hi Guys, I'm planning to watch movies with PC and connect to Pana 42PV80H via VGA input.

Appreciate that if someone can answers my questions here:
i) I just wonder why the resolution for this 42PV80H is 4:3 (1024 x 768) but not in 16:9 resolution like LCD tv 1366 x 768?
ii) Since this 42PV80H resolution is 1024 x 768 (4:3), what's the maximum resolution that can display when connect to PC? Is 1024 x 576?
iii) Is the maximum resolution is up to 1024 x 576, then when I watch those 720p movie all will be lower to 576p, am I right?
iv) any different on resolution if I connect via HDMI from PC?

I really need help/advice/guide on this, because my planning is watch movie with PC, appreciate that. Thanks.
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QUOTE(naruto_kun @ Feb 10 2009, 09:00 PM)
1. Well, for plasma, it is normal for the resolution to be 1024 x 768. I think i asked the same question more or less awhile back. Some members explain about it last time. So, it shouldn't be a problem.
2. My laptop only have resolution 1024 x 768. Can play HD movies no problem, but sometimes got lag a bit. Connecting it to plasma still looks good to me. If you have VLC player, you can adjust the aspect ratio. Look a bit stretch in my laptop but on the plasma looks good.
3. why would it show at 576? it would definitely show in 720p.
4. Dunno....couldn't answer that.

p/s: Any misleading statement feel free to correct them
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1) but 1024x768 is 4:3 resolution....42PV80H is 16:9....wonder why the resolution in 4:3.... weird..... rclxub.gif
2) You mean you extend your display with your laptop, are you using "CLONE" or "Dual Display" (extend display) with your laptop? Both setting are different thing, if you using "Dual Display", then you can maintain your laptop's resolution and second display can set to the maximum resolution. For example that I'm extended my laptop (set to Dual display on NVidia), my laptop resolution is 1680 x 1050 while my 24" LCD Monitor is 1920 x 1200. So I just wonder when I extend my display with this 42PV80H, what's the maximum resolution will be?
3) Since 42PV80H resolution max is 1024x768 (4:3), so when I extended my display from laptop OR directly from PC, if I set the resolution in 1024x768, then the display will be in 4:3, so not match with the 16:9 in 42PV80H....am I right?..... so in order to display well in 16:9 to fit 42PV80H, then resolution need to be change into 1024x576 which is 16:9 (base on my own calculation)....am I right?...... so when you play any HD movie like 720p, then the maximum display is only up to 1024x576, our source is 720p.....but our output is 576p.....so that's cannot fully display the 720p.....am I right?
4) anyone any different in resolution between HDMI and VGA if I want to watch movie from PC?

Note: My planning is watch movie on Plasma TV or LCD TV with computer......need who expect to guide on me..... Help .... icon_question.gif
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post Feb 11 2009, 11:58 AM

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oh, know the price for 42PY800H now? Pana Full HD plasma one.... wonder the price when will become 4.5k..... heheh...... end of this year? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(samlee860407 @ Feb 11 2009, 06:43 PM)
hm...my projector is only 1920 x 720, but i am able to set it at 1920 x 1080 when i set it to extend display in my ati control center. so i guess will be the same case as the 42PV80H

so i think it wont be a problem? >.<
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Is this possible to change the resolution from 1920x720 into 1920x1080?....will same case if I display VGA from PC to Pana 42PV80H?.... anyone can give me some guide on the Max resolution on 42PV80H when watch movie from PC via VGA..... icon_question.gif

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QUOTE(naruto_kun @ Feb 11 2009, 07:51 PM)
1) after searching previous thread a bit, go to this link. Barricade explain quite a bit in detail. View post 1997:
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/782935/+1980
But like you said, if it is 1024 x 768, shouldn't it be 4:3 as well? Anyways, don't really care bout that cause as long as it is giving me good pictures, I happy already.

2)I am using dual screen at 1024 x 768. So if you laptop resolution is higher, maybe you should change the resolution to something that fits. I think the pv80 should be able to display 1024 x 768 max. Why not you just buy a vga cable and test it yourself? If you can afford rm3k for a tv, why not another rm10 hehe..

3)The thing about resolution, no need to worry so much lah. Just use something that the tv support will do. My laptop is 1024 x 768 with 4:3, but the plasma is 1024 x 768 but 16:9. I dun see any stretching in the plasma. But whenever, I plug it to my 19' LCD tv, it looks blurry a bit. Font looks nicer on the plasma. However, when watching movies, not really noticeable about the stretch. Because the movies itself have their own resolution right?

4) Thought this might help. Last time I use vga cable to play xbox360. Then, bought a hdmi cable. I couldn't see any different. Same goes to the component cable. I think it may have some differences, but hardly noticeable. The only obvious thing that you can notice is that the cables look much neater tongue.gif
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1) Is the picture/movie already stretch to fit 1024x768? Will it look weird when you are browsing windows explorer? Because if i set 1024x768 in my 24" LCD Monitor (16:10), it's look weird when browsing windows explorer.....is this same case when VGA connect to 42PV80H?

2) I still not yet bought the 42PV80H, so I cannot test it at home...so I just want to ask for more detail before I bought it. So when you using dual screen at 1024x768, will the 42PV80H look weird when in windows explorer?

3) Really no stretching 1024x768 in 42PV80H?..... hmm...but 1024x768 is 4:3 ratio....if want to fit into 1024....then the best fit will be 1024x576 only (this is 16:9)....

4) oh...maybe will only got different on FullHD 1080p TV....hehe....anyway, thanks for your sharing..... thumbup.gif

QUOTE(ar188 @ Feb 11 2009, 09:12 PM)
just wondering if your laptop set the VGA out 1024x768 (XGA signal), this signal go into the TV, is there black bars on the left/right side? if yes, then there is no horizontal stretching.
if No black bars on the side, then considered the XGA signal has been stretched.. or maybe Zoomed in (if the top/bottom portion of the XGA desktop is not seen anymore)

not sure cos I don't own this TV, but any help to answer whether the XGA signal is stretched or in original 4:3 ratio when displayed on this PV80 TV..
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Yeah, I totally agree with "ar188".....1024x768 is 4:3....so either got black bars OR stretching the horizontal area......so when browsing windows explorer, all the text...icon look weird.....

Hi All, hopefully someone can sharing with me if you have any experiences play HD movies on your LCD TV or Plasma TV....what's the maximum resolution during watching movie?
Thanks
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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Feb 12 2009, 04:06 PM)
i have LCD TV connect to PC. resolution get 1920 x1080@60hz...
mostly watch 720p mkv tv series.. look good..
nothing wrong..

all depend on what file... if the files is lower resolution..
it will either look pixel or got black bar there...
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Are you using HDMI cable to connect your PC--LCD TV? Your LCD TV is only 60Hz...? so that's why when display on the 1920x1080@60Hz?....so if the LCD TV is 100Hz, can be display 1920x1080@100Hz?
yes, for those low resolution, then sure will get bigger pixel and blur video...hehe....

QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 12 2009, 04:15 PM)
OK, I did a few experiments to play HD movie on the plasma TV to get the best picture quality.

Hardware:
Plasma TV: Panny PV70H (1,024 x 768)
DVD player: Philips of course (upscaling to 1080i)
Media Player: Sarotech DVP 260X (Full HD)
Computer: Dell Inspiron 9400 (1920x1200 if I'm not mistaken).
Connection: All HDMI (for the Computer is DVI to HDMI)

Software files
Files are MKV and Hi-res avi.

Here are the experiments done and the results:
1) Burn BDrip to DVD:
Good, clearer than original DVDs...I'm talking abt Speedy DVD..not those RM150 ones...no money to get those.

2) Play BDrip movies from the Computer:
No good, slight flickering repeatedly every few seconds...also, very leceh to start up windows etc, furthermore, my lappy doesn't come with remote control. Setting up the resolution is also troublesome...project abandon...
Image was clear..as clear as BDrip to DVD..but the slight flickering wasted everything. Image from computer is also abit bigger than screen size, so the 'Start' button can't be seen.
Flickers only with DVI to HDMI cables, if using RGB it doesn't flick...but for me the HDMI connection looks much better. Color also looks more natural...but I hate so many settings...again, one of reason abandon project. Wife (who is a casual gamer) can't play games while I watch TV.

3) Use a Media Player to play HD stuff:
Not so cheap...media player and hard drive will cost abt RM850 to get...
Image...priceless!!...Super clear...I didn't know my plasma can output such clear pictures...details like cobwebs, smudge windows, hair etc are very noticeably. Play 99% files flawlessly (with the latest firmware updates of course)

End of the day..for me, forget abt upscaling DVD players or using high spec computers...get yourself a Media player....if my HD ready panny is that good, I wonder how the Full HD Panny will perform!

One thing that I always here is 'the source is very important'....yes i agree 100%

There are many Media players out there, from branded to China brands...depends on your budget smile.gif
Of course if got the money can always go for Bluray player.
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1) I guess i will not burn out as need to spend a lot of time to convert and burning...hehe...i prefer play directly from PC.

2) Flicking issue?...oh...is this codec (software) or hardware problem?....are you playing the 1080p BDRip right? So as I know need powerful PC (processor + GPU + RAM) to play smoothly for those 1080p....correct me if I was wrong..... Well, if I connect VGA only, what's the limitation resolution for VGA?.....can my display output in 1080p with VGA? Or must using HDMI as well?.....your DVI to HDMI is converter right?

3) errr...how much for those china HD media player in market now? can play those mkv file format? seem your PV70H good in PQ....I'm planning to get Panny 50PV80 but now still over than 5.5k.....so the best deal now will be 42PV80 only....hehe.....


QUOTE(anfieldude @ Feb 12 2009, 04:41 PM)
Hi,

To answer the question on how a 1024X768 plasma is a 16:9 display is because they are using rectangular pixels and not square pixels. So if you are viewing a 16:9 movie on it, it will not look wierd. I cannot confirm how the output from a computer will look like for now.
Sorry
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oh, rectangular pixels?....really....? well, hope someone has been test display with PC to Panny Plasma 42PV80H with VGA......can VGA resolution up to 1024x768?..... or got limitation resolution for VGA?

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QUOTE(maskedchan @ Feb 12 2009, 05:23 PM)
yup..my lcd tv is cheapo..only support 60hz..no 100hz..
now using DVI-VGA cable..
try before HDMI cable..much better..sharp color on 720p..
below that..everything is pixel..you dont even want to look at that..
so use DVI-VGA...not too sharp until can see pixel
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ic...how about VGA directly from PC to LCD TV?....can be same quality with DVI--VGA?
any idea with VGA limitation on resolution?
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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 12 2009, 06:24 PM)
I'm using Sarotech DVP 260X. The current happening now is the Western Digital WDTV for budget users and the DVICO for Hi end. Mid end is Popcorn A110 or something.
Can play MKV??....of course canler....so far, all the 720~1080P mkv files can be played, even Hi res 720p avi files.
Only full movie 700mb mkv files cannot be read...I dunno why....why these are rare movie files.
TV series in HDTV X264 are breakfast for the media players smile.gif

BUT...most of these players are not equip with a DTS decoder (cause of increase cost for the license)
So you will need to get a Home theater as well. Make sure the HT can sockets for the digital-in from the media player.  Example, I wanted to get the WDTV, but it only has a 'Optical' Digital out but my HT has 'Coaxial Digital' in...so I had to buy a Sarotech 260x.
Price? WDTV RM400, Sarotech abt RM650 Popcorn abt RM1000, DVICO abt RM2000.
You will need a Hard drive as well for those...so its another easy Rm200~400 depending on the capacity.

China brand ones I dunno the quality or support....Quality and support 'is' everything!

It may seem expensive to you, but worth while. Before this I always thought 720p/1080p files are useless on my Panny 1,024 x 768 . But i was wrong...they make a difference alot....
If you are asking me if I was using a computer...Primary is for the plasma....cause if I can remembered I had to off the display for the DVI to HDMI  to work.
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Well, those media player can play rmvb/DiVX format too? hehe...i know these files are low end, but at least can play those TVB series which in rmvb format....hehe....well, WDTV RM400 + HDD, then minimum need about RM6xx....hmm.....that's a lot for me....Coz I tot can play most of the vide file from PC...so no need to buy those media player as I need some budget to get high end speaker after getting new TV..... hehe...... sweat.gif


errr....any different if display as secondary display vs primary display?..... refresh rate will be different?
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Feb 12 2009, 06:35 PM)
why need media player? can't just play from laptop & stream through HDMI to TV? *noob*
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QUOTE(sam240 @ Feb 10 2009, 06:02 PM)
Hi Guys, I'm planning to watch movies with PC and connect to Pana 42PV80H via VGA input.

Appreciate that if someone can answers my questions here:
i) I just wonder why the resolution for this 42PV80H is 4:3 (1024 x 768) but not in 16:9 resolution like LCD tv 1366 x 768?
ii) Since this 42PV80H resolution is 1024 x 768 (4:3), what's the maximum resolution that can display when connect to PC? Is 1024 x 576?
iii) Is the maximum resolution is up to 1024 x 576, then when I watch those 720p movie all will be lower to 576p, am I right?
iv) any different on resolution if I connect via HDMI from PC?

I really need help/advice/guide on this, because my planning is watch movie with PC, appreciate that. Thanks.
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Hi ronnt88...i have a questions as above regarding watch movies with 42PV80H from PC via VGA....Hope you can give me some guide on this....
oh ya, forgot about the burn-in issue on plasma tv....is this issue still can be happened?.....how to avoid it?


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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Feb 12 2009, 07:10 PM)
oops... sorry la bro... me dunno anything about watching movies from PC to TV. me only watch bluray so far..  tongue.gif
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oh, ok...how much bluray disc now?....ahem one or ori one?.....hehe..what player you're using now?
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QUOTE(sam240 @ Feb 10 2009, 06:02 PM)
Hi Guys, I'm planning to watch movies with PC and connect to Pana 42PV80H via VGA input.

Appreciate that if someone can answers my questions here:
i) I just wonder why the resolution for this 42PV80H is 4:3 (1024 x 768) but not in 16:9 resolution like LCD tv 1366 x 768?
ii) Since this 42PV80H resolution is 1024 x 768 (4:3), what's the maximum resolution that can display when connect to PC? Is 1024 x 576?
iii) Is the maximum resolution is up to 1024 x 576, then when I watch those 720p movie all will be lower to 576p, am I right?
iv) any different on resolution if I connect via HDMI from PC? Any limitation resolution for VGA input to plasma / LCD TV?

I really need help/advice/guide on this, because my planning is watch movie with PC, appreciate that. Thanks.
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anyone who experience on my questions....i really hope someone have been test before and appreciate if could share in here....Thx notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(kepco @ Feb 13 2009, 07:40 PM)
Let me try to answer your questions:
i) it is older technology
ii) just set your PC output to 1024x768
iii) yes, your mkv will be output as 1024x768, not sure about 576p stand for
iv) if only 1024x768 resolution, there is should be no different between HDMI and VGA interm of resolution, but my own experience showed that HDMI connection give better PQ compare to VGA for movies. Not much different between HDMI and VGA for anime files.

hope this help.
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1) 1024x768 is older technology?...but is this will become full screen on 42PV80H without stretch the screen, right?
2) if I set PC output in 1024x768, will the screen stretch in 42PV80H?
3) mean is I watch those 720p, then I'll fully see all the output quality, right? (768 > 720p), how about those mkv 1080p quality? will downgrade to 720p only?
4) thanks for your sharing regarding HDMI vs VGA.

other question:
5) I notice that Plasma TV (42PV80H...and other model) got reflection on screen, will this affected during I watch movie in living room? Got a bit sunlight from left side
6) Planning to get 50PV80H, will be my view acceptable in 9 feet?


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QUOTE(azbro @ Feb 16 2009, 01:03 PM)
Answers:
1) No stretch on the screen: Panny has 3 modes for viewing...16:9, 4:3 and 'Just' meaning 4:3 pulled to become a 16:9 at the sides
2) No
3) The answer is same as what you see on your computer LCD panel
4) HDMI wins with movies...but I abandoned PC->TV due to slight flickering issues converting from DVI to HDMI...now I'm using media player
5) I dun think so...so far OK with me..
6) By all means get a 50inch..even at 9 feet....not all movies at full screen 16:9 ratio, half of them still have some black bar top and bottom, and worst is, some movies come in 2.39:1. So you'll be getting big top/bottom bars. So 50inch become 40 inch in real viewing.
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Hi thanks for your sharing....i read in this forum...someone said that plasma's pixel is rectangular but not in square, is this true? So that's why 1024x768 is in 16:9.... sweat.gif

and I really agreed with you about the 50inch to watch movie in 9feet....yeah, some of the movie is not in 16:9 so will not in full screen of 50"....then will become smaller size/view....hahaha....thanks for your info....really great info...... thumbup.gif

and anybody watch Astro within 9 feet distance from your 50" tv? Is this acceptable view distance....? need more advice....thanks
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so...is all pana 42" and 50" PV80H made in Japan?.....
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hmm...i'm wondering what's the new feature for the new model to replace 42PV80H..... and wonder the 50PV80H drop price to 4k..... biggrin.gif
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Well, any feedback for LG plasma users here? Any comments?
One of my Hifi kaki told me the ranking of plasma as below:
i) Pioneer
ii) LG
iii) Panasonic
iv) ....etc...

He put LG on 2nd place....is LG better than pana? I need some guide/comments..... pls.....
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QUOTE(gyver @ Feb 26 2009, 10:49 AM)
I assume it is just his preference.
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oh...then is pana will be in 2nd place...?
any idea what's the new model coming up to replace 42PV80H...? any new feature? thanks.

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QUOTE(aiz1j @ Feb 26 2009, 01:48 PM)
(Strictly Pana PV80 vs LG PG60) Design-wise and features the LG beats Pana. However the image retention problem on PG60 is a bit obvious (disappear slowly). Whereas on the Pana the IR disapper more quickly. Also, the after-sales Pana is better than LG (based on experience with customer service). Warranty, Pana offers 5yr while LG used to offer 2-yrs but recently offered 5yr.
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Thanks for your sharing and input....really appreciate that....that's a good point/advice for me....thx..... notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(slk5538 @ Feb 26 2009, 02:50 PM)
the specs you listed seems similiar to the Neo Plasma announced earlier by Panasonic ... If that is true then it won't be cheap


Added on February 26, 2009, 2:55 pm
Besides the points by aiz1j, comparing PV80 & PG60 side by side, I noticed images in PG60 have more details and is sharper but the IR and reflection for PG60 is really kind of serious by today's plasma standard.

and if you had read the earlier posts, probably you would notice how I disgust the LG's customer service, so I won't repeat that here ..
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Neo Plasma?...oh....new technology?.....wont be cheap?...OMG, then how about the 42PV80H....no more production for this model right? now they're clearance for this 42PV80H, right?....hmmmm....i'm not sure wanna wait for the new model or just pick the 42PV80H.....also...thinking either to get 50PV80H...hehe..... any comments?

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QUOTE(deepan2004 @ Feb 27 2009, 07:01 AM)
I too remember. It was 2007. 50 inch Panasonic was RM19,999 whilst other brands were half the price. It was definitely wrongly priced as it was only US$2000 at that time in the US.

Then when they launched the PV80, suddenly it went to RM9999.

What a joke!
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means that RM18k~RM19K is not PV80H model....so what's the model for the RM18K~RM19k? Maybe is full-HD model...coz now the 42PY800 is about RM6k which I asked last month.... blush.gif


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