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post Sep 15 2009, 08:31 AM

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I was on wowtunnels and the ping was horrible! 1.2k - 1.5k!! Where I usually get like 300-400 ms ping. But then i decided to forgot the tunneling and play the normal way. I actually had a 200-250ms ping! WOAH!!! Amazing! I know this only at like er.. 2-3am lah lolx. If normal times confirm koyak one lolx.

However, am searching for a reliable tunneling provider, can anyone recommend? LOTH has not replied to my request so am finding another one.
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QUOTE(Raichu @ Sep 14 2009, 11:01 PM)
From what i heard , TM is secretly picking ppl and testing an IDLE bandwidth monitor and throttler system ... Happened to my next door neighbor. I was zooming at my house, his house was SLOW . We switched logins and I was zooming at his house and crawling at my house. Did the MTR and saw that everything stopped and slowed at TMnet's gateway.

We both have 2m line ..

and of course i gave him back his access lol.
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Sorry, backtracking to this one again.

Raichu, did your neighbour get his line restored?
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post Sep 15 2009, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(Noyze @ Sep 15 2009, 08:31 AM)
However, am searching for a reliable tunneling provider, can anyone recommend? LOTH has not replied to my request so am finding another one.
Ummm I gave you access and a PM on the LoTH site over 15 hours ago... I even shouted it on the Shout Box JIC you miss the PM notice...


Added on September 15, 2009, 9:40 am
QUOTE(myremi @ Sep 15 2009, 08:35 AM)
Sorry, backtracking to this one again.

Raichu, did your neighbour get his line restored?
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My neighbor got it restored. Since im like my Taman's IT guy, i've been getting calls from all over. Seems like they picking ppl to test . Also i know they were testing last week in Puching, near IOI and Kapung ( Near Justco ), my wife's family was complaining. They used my account to test and Zoomed also.

Also from what I've seen, everyone who called me had 2 things in common, #1 They all torrent and #2 They all play WoW .

I dont play Wow, nor do i Torrent. And all my surrounding neighbors that didnt get screwed dont do it either.

Also from what I've seen, each person who went through the sudden lagginess, had GREAT speed for a week ( great as in low ping in game without tunnel ) and then 1 week of CRAPAGE !

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 09:42 AM
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QUOTE(myremi @ Sep 15 2009, 07:32 AM)
Ah, so you're Muzx.

Hmm....have to check with Eugene on this. Can you help to post in the GP forum rather than here as Eugene doesn't follow LYN forums much anymore.

I know that he said that the 23x gates weren't ping-able. We're waiting feedback from users whether it's stable or not after Sunday's maintenance works.
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well anyway im posting that isnt bcoz of gp or watsoever
just trying to say that the cyberjaya datacenter still have problems with their network since i think mostly of the tunnel service provider do hv their server located in cyberjaya smile.gif


Added on September 15, 2009, 11:10 am
QUOTE(Raichu @ Sep 15 2009, 09:34 AM)
Ummm I gave you access and a PM on the LoTH site over 15 hours ago... I even shouted it on the Shout Box JIC you miss the PM notice...


Added on September 15, 2009, 9:40 am
My neighbor got it restored. Since im like my Taman's IT guy, i've been getting calls from all over. Seems like they  picking ppl to test . Also i know they were testing last week in Puching, near IOI and Kapung ( Near Justco ), my wife's family was complaining. They used my account to test and Zoomed also.

Also from what I've seen, everyone who called me had 2 things in common, #1 They all torrent and #2 They all play WoW .

I dont play Wow, nor do i Torrent. And all my surrounding neighbors that didnt get screwed dont do it either.

Also from what I've seen, each person who went through the sudden lagginess, had GREAT speed for a week ( great as in low ping in game without tunnel ) and then 1 week of CRAPAGE !
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i think this might has happened to me also
isit the problem occur 24hrs a day or just a specific time?
bcoz for me during night time (9pm-1am) my connection is pretty horrible..the latency will increase from the usual 10-15ms locally to 50-70ms with some ping timeout/packet lost
even the speedtest in streamyx website showing my bandwidth droping from the usualy 800-900kbps to 300-700

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post Sep 15 2009, 11:27 AM

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QUOTE(busbos @ Sep 15 2009, 11:08 AM)
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well anyway im posting that isnt bcoz of gp or watsoever
just trying to say that the cyberjaya datacenter still have problems with their network since i think mostly of the tunnel service provider do hv their server located in cyberjaya smile.gif


Added on September 15, 2009, 11:10 am
i think this might has happened to me also
isit the problem occur 24hrs a day or just a specific time?
bcoz for me during night time (9pm-1am) my connection is pretty horrible..the latency will increase from the usual 10-15ms locally to 50-70ms with some ping timeout/packet lost
even the speedtest in streamyx website showing my bandwidth droping from the usualy 800-900kbps to 300-700
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Called the branch manager friend at Tmpoint for coffee b4 he just kept it simple, told me that traffic from torrents and wow ( apparently torrents and wow traffic in malaysia is tops, i guess ) during prime time making it horrible for other users. They looking for ways to regulate traffic during primetime.

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 11:28 AM
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QUOTE(Raichu @ Sep 15 2009, 11:27 AM)
Called the branch manager friend at Tmpoint for coffee b4 he just kept it simple,  told me that traffic from torrents and wow ( apparently torrents and wow traffic in malaysia is tops, i guess ) during prime time making it horrible for other users. They looking for ways to regulate traffic during primetime.
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Wah! So it's true then that Malaysians actually contribute a big chunk of Blizzard's revenue then. I was wondering about that when Blizzard started including Malaysia in their press releases. Legit customers and gold farming/account selling people as well, I bet.

Regulating traffic doesn't help the underlying problem of physical limitation though. And the rate of expansion that they're doing is not sufficient to keep up with demand and the changing trends of netsurfing. TMnet need new accounts for funds and yet aren't able to manage the capacity.

I suppose the branch manager probably wouldn't know much about the bigger picture of how TMnet intends to deal with the entire state of things? Because if TMNet doesn't do something about the physical bandwidth, the regulation of traffic during primetime will eventually effect even tunneling services. And reading through all the posts in the Broandband-2-user forums as well as the various blogs, I doubt if there's going to be much changes with TMNet. Unless suddenly out of the blue we get a charismatic and seriously organized leader to shift through arguments and really make a valid note to streamyx without all the emotional namecalling going on.


Added on September 15, 2009, 11:49 am
QUOTE(busbos @ Sep 15 2009, 11:08 AM)
tongue.gif
well anyway im posting that isnt bcoz of gp or watsoever
just trying to say that the cyberjaya datacenter still have problems with their network since i think mostly of the tunnel service provider do hv their server located in cyberjaya smile.gif


Added on September 15, 2009, 11:10 am
i think this might has happened to me also
isit the problem occur 24hrs a day or just a specific time?
bcoz for me during night time (9pm-1am) my connection is pretty horrible..the latency will increase from the usual 10-15ms locally to 50-70ms with some ping timeout/packet lost
even the speedtest in streamyx website showing my bandwidth droping from the usualy 800-900kbps to 300-700
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Ah okie thanks. And yeah, majority of the tunnel service providers are in cyberjaya but could also be in other places as well. I tend to avoid 23x like a plague from the time it started up.

Hmm..as for latency and restrictions, I get that too although I'm not sure whether it's also due to the housing location I stay in. Having met the Streamyx techs over the years, they do say that this area I lived in has the highest number of complaints in the city and that it also has one of the poorest connection in this large housing area. So they often have to reset the line regularly for their customers.

This post has been edited by myremi: Sep 15 2009, 11:49 AM
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QUOTE(Raichu @ Sep 15 2009, 11:27 AM)
Called the branch manager friend at Tmpoint for coffee b4 he just kept it simple,  told me that traffic from torrents and wow ( apparently torrents and wow traffic in malaysia is tops, i guess ) during prime time making it horrible for other users. They looking for ways to regulate traffic during primetime.
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That's the problem with TMNet... they got their priorities all wrong and if they spend as much money and time on improving the network and bandwidth capacity as they spend on trying to throttle and regulate the traffic; Malaysia will not have such crappy Internet connections.


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QUOTE(myremi @ Sep 15 2009, 11:42 AM)
Wah! So it's true then that Malaysians actually contribute a big chunk of Blizzard's revenue then. I was wondering about that when Blizzard started including Malaysia in their press releases. Legit customers and gold farming/account selling people as well, I bet.

Regulating traffic doesn't help the underlying problem of physical limitation though. And the rate of expansion that they're doing is not sufficient to keep up with demand and the changing trends of netsurfing. TMnet need new accounts for funds and yet aren't able to manage the capacity.

I suppose the branch manager probably wouldn't know much about the bigger picture of how TMnet intends to deal with the entire state of things? Because if TMNet doesn't do something about the physical bandwidth, the regulation of traffic during primetime will eventually effect even tunneling services. And reading through all the posts in the Broandband-2-user forums as well as the various blogs, I doubt if there's going to be much changes with TMNet. Unless suddenly out of the blue we get a charismatic and seriously organized leader to shift through arguments and really make a valid note to streamyx without all the emotional namecalling going on.


Added on September 15, 2009, 11:49 am

Ah okie thanks. And yeah, majority of the tunnel service providers are in cyberjaya but could also be in other places as well. I tend to avoid 23x like a plague from the time it started up.

Hmm..as for latency and restrictions, I get that too although I'm not sure whether it's also due to the housing location I stay in. Having met the Streamyx techs over the years, they do say that this area I lived in has the highest number of complaints in the city and that it also has one of the poorest connection in this large housing area. So they often have to reset the line regularly for their customers.
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Had a casual talk with him regarding this. Most of it reflect my opinion and western influence thinking and observation.

#1 - yes regulation bad for Torrent and WoW users, BUT great for others who dont torrent or play WoW
#2 - Old Fashion thinking ... they already control the market, every provider still has to pay them for useage
#3 - Improving will cost TM Hundreds of Millions if not a billion, that times conversion rate to USD ... BILLIONS of RM
#4 - The only ppl who get rich in Malayisa are Business owners and executives. Why spread the wealth when they can keep all? Over the last few years in malaysia, prices nearly doubled to tripled, yet salary almost remained the same. And from what i've seen here you think Malaysia is going to invest into improving when they still consider ADSL NEW ?

I remember when i first came to malaysia in 2002, No ADSL, and they were trying to push me to buy IDSN .. I was like WTF??? ISDN? That crap has been obsolete in the US years ago..

Do you even recall the last time you went to a coffee shop and seen a lorry driver drive up in a MERC? Only ppl i see drive up in MERC are Business Owners, Politicians and Executives... nuff said ...


#5 - You will NEVER see any HUGE improvements for a while until TM has a competitor. And that will never happen because the size of the Ringgit and Malaysia gov would prob pass a bill to charge a HUGE TARIFF if any competitor is allowed to or decide to do it.


Added on September 15, 2009, 12:14 pm
QUOTE(PsyCHZZZ @ Sep 15 2009, 12:01 PM)
That's the problem with TMNet... they got their priorities all wrong and if they spend as much money and time on improving the network and bandwidth capacity as they spend on trying to throttle and regulate the traffic; Malaysia will not have such crappy Internet connections.
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Why pay for something that will cost them BILLIONS while the quick fix is to hire a low level entry, just out of school worker who CLAIMS they can do it? Cost them peanuts !

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 12:14 PM
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QUOTE(Raichu @ Sep 15 2009, 12:11 PM)
Had a casual talk with him regarding this. Most of it reflect my opinion and western influence thinking and observation.

#1 - yes regulation bad for Torrent and WoW users, BUT great for others who dont torrent or play WoW
#2 - Old Fashion thinking ... they already control the market, every provider still has to pay them for useage
#3 - Improving will cost TM Hundreds of Millions if not a billion, that times conversion rate to USD ... BILLIONS of RM
#4 - The only ppl who get rich in Malayisa are Business owners and executives. Why spread the wealth when they can keep all? Over the last few years in malaysia, prices nearly doubled to tripled, yet salary almost remained the same.  And from what i've seen here you think Malaysia is going to invest into improving when they still consider ADSL NEW ?

I remember when i first came to malaysia in 2002, No ADSL, and they were trying to push me to buy IDSN .. I was like WTF??? ISDN? That crap has been obsolete in the US years ago..

Do you even recall the last time you went to a coffee shop and seen a lorry driver drive up in a MERC? Only ppl i see drive up in MERC are Business Owners, Politicians and Executives... nuff said ...
#5 - You will NEVER see any HUGE improvements for a while until TM has a competitor. And that will never happen because the size of the Ringgit and Malaysia gov would prob pass a bill to charge a HUGE TARIFF if any competitor is allowed to or decide to do it.


Added on September 15, 2009, 12:14 pm
Why pay for something that will cost them BILLIONS while the quick fix is to hire a low level entry, just out of school worker who CLAIMS they can do it? Cost them peanuts !
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Well, you are right about that and I don't think it's so much a Western or Asian thinking. It's more of greed and can't-be-bothered attitude. I also suspect a strong bureaucratic and autocratic attitude within the organization that hinders innovation and creativity. So they don't really get them far.

Having said that, I've learnt to handle my stress with Streamyx better and just work within the boundaries. Plus, having played in different regions around the world, I guess I was more even-tempered after checking out the connection speed in different regions. Yes, there are noticeable differences but nothing too severe that would make WoW unbearable to play.

I did toy with the idea of trying to get hold of JARING's dedicate line just like what they are doing for my office here. Although, it would be too difficult to look for so many users to handle the capacity.
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QUOTE(myremi @ Sep 15 2009, 12:25 PM)
I did toy with the idea of trying to get hold of JARING's dedicate line just like what they are doing for my office here. Although, it would be too difficult to look for so many users to handle the capacity.
I got this email a few days back :



The real problem that we are facing since early August is instability in Jaring network. It is not only effecting us, but all other providers in Jaring DC. We reported to Jaring regarding the issue in August, but they blame TM for the instability as TM owns the whole lines in Malaysia and international connectivity.

Since August, TM has also changed routing map for accessibility to Asia/US Pacific countries, shifting from APCN2 to AAG, causing packets to Taiwan, Korea and Japan (not within AAG range) to go through Los Angeles before reaching its destination country. We reported the problem to Jaring DC, but again, Jaring has no power to change the routing map as it is administered by TM.

We are sorry for any instability in the WAN network as it is totally out of our control. We are also reveiwing other DC (AIMS/Global Transit) for future move/expansion.




I guess great news for those who play on WoW Western Servers ... First Stop ... LA hhahahha
Since TM controls everything anyways, u think they going to make thier own traffic worst than others?
Since i dont have any taiwan ppl using tunnel, does the gamepath ppl use any Jaring server to connect to taiwan? This prob would explain why they lag if they do ... /shrugs

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Hmm...well, if the dedicated line is big enough, it shouldn't be a problem.

I'm not exactly sure what kind of line the office took out with JARING except that a parabolic dish was installed at the site. Most of the time, the line is pretty fast except for the time of the APCN2 damage and when there is a copper line theft at the JARING station in Kuching. Hee hee...

On the WoW Taiwan players, they mostly don't say much except for one irate customer that posted on the forum. They're using Malaysian and Singapore servers although last week, there was a shift towards the Singapore servers, even for WoW US players.

Hmm...as for the LA route, that doesn't suprise me at all. It's been known for a very long time that TM does such kind of strange mapping. I remembered trying to access an EU website and it took the long route across the USA.

U know, it's kinda sad that the JARING CEO doesn't post up any news on his blog anymore. It used to make interesting reading because he used to bash TMNet there. Hee hee...


Added on September 15, 2009, 1:02 pmHmm...bear in mind though, that I'm only a Gamepath forum mod. I don't know how the server setups are done so whatever I'm telling you is basically what's available on the forums and website. tongue.gif

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wait wait wait... aren't TMNut mapping the line thru europe/ india, instead of LA?

i find it interesting as i recalled my some of lil' brother's game of D*ta (battle.net, loderon) hosted by kiasu singaporean and the returned result for their ip checking stated that it was parsing thru europe(EU, 115 ip) or IND (india, 118 ip) before my brother being spin kicked out of the game room.

tbh, i don't think it's wholly Jaring's fault and it should not be blamed for the lag it causes since we don't know the whole picture, plus TMNut has the tendency of doing things 'silently' and placed blame on Jaring with any 'whoops...' that they cause during mass torrent p0rn on main server to provide the ah bengs fresh stock of pirate dvd and their changes.

btw, aren't taiwan players suppose to suffer less latency as how some local wow players having? i mean i had some video chat with my milf loving fren who went there for study and he clearly mentioned that 3 pp stream was running simultaneously without causing interruption from his g**ena games.
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last nite screamyx did the unexpected...
disconnect me (as in the internet, not WoW) for 10-20 minutes 2 times while doing XT hardmode...
ended up my raid wiping cause not enuff DPS to down the heart and waited for me 10 minutes to relog and have another go...
then i dc-ed again lol...

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Yup we have a cluster that is under Jaring, some under AIMs and some from Singapore. The Jaring server cluster has been flaring up lately I suppose that is the reason for this.

I suppose the only way out is to open more Singapore servers since TM connection to other countries is fubared and Jaring is getting messed up due to TM route to Jaring within Malaysia.

Why is your infrastructure so strange??
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QUOTE(ekwk @ Sep 15 2009, 01:59 PM)
Yup we have a cluster that is under Jaring, some under AIMs and some from Singapore. The Jaring server cluster has been flaring up lately I suppose that is the reason for this.

I suppose the only way out is to open more Singapore servers since TM connection to other countries is fubared and Jaring is getting messed up due to TM route to Jaring within Malaysia.

Why is your infrastructure so strange??
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Raichu, Sorry maybe i missed it or something. I know u acknowledged me to access the forums, but was thinking that you would send me an e-mail or something for the test a/c's. Will try it when i get back and hope the svr is not down on WoW.
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QUOTE(Noyze @ Sep 15 2009, 03:28 PM)
Raichu, Sorry maybe i missed it or something. I know u acknowledged me to access the forums, but was thinking that you would send me an e-mail or something for the test a/c's. Will try it when i get back and hope the svr is not down on WoW.
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Raichu, I'm starting to think that the WoW LYN forums have more information about what is going on about Streamyx issues than the Broadband-2-user forums. Hehe....

Eh...u never did replied Eugene's (ekwk) question. Or will that affect the competition between the Tunneling services? ^.^

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