LoTH Tunnel / Ping2Pwn

Yesterday was quiet. Nobody complained about lag or anything. Currently we are setting up the Sydney Server.
I did a random check yesterday ...

WoW :

Malaysia Server: 240ms
SG Server: 290ms
US Server: 320ms

My tunnel staff was raiding yesterday to with NO DC and stable Latency...

Had many ppl on playing various games due to ppl taking advantage Pre- 15Sept09 Signup Promo.
We keeping an eye on the server and tmnet though.......



AION

US Server : 220ms

Rappelz US :

All Servers : No Lag

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Added on September 14, 2009, 3:11 pmWINMTR

First point it to ur tunnel server and check ...
Then point it to your Wow Server IP ... see wheres the trouble..

If all else fails... when ur connected to ur Tunnel's Shell ( via Putty ) run a mtr to the wow server IP to see how the data is flowing between tunnel server and game server...

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Added on September 14, 2009, 3:20 pmSPY !@!@#!# Just JOKING !!! ...

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 14 2009, 03:20 PM

From what i heard , TM is secretly picking ppl and testing an IDLE bandwidth monitor and throttler system ... Happened to my next door neighbor. I was zooming at my house, his house was SLOW . We switched logins and I was zooming at his house and crawling at my house. Did the MTR and saw that everything stopped and slowed at TMnet's gateway.

We both have 2m line ..

and of course i gave him back his access lol.

DOH !!

Come play Rappelz with me !!! I let u use a lvl 90+ pet to lvl urself ahahahahah!

Ummm I gave you access and a PM on the LoTH site over 15 hours ago... I even shouted it on the Shout Box JIC you miss the PM notice...

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Added on September 15, 2009, 9:40 amMy neighbor got it restored. Since im like my Taman's IT guy, i've been getting calls from all over. Seems like they picking ppl to test . Also i know they were testing last week in Puching, near IOI and Kapung ( Near Justco ), my wife's family was complaining. They used my account to test and Zoomed also.

Also from what I've seen, everyone who called me had 2 things in common, #1 They all torrent and #2 They all play WoW .

I dont play Wow, nor do i Torrent. And all my surrounding neighbors that didnt get screwed dont do it either.

Also from what I've seen, each person who went through the sudden lagginess, had GREAT speed for a week ( great as in low ping in game without tunnel ) and then 1 week of CRAPAGE !

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 09:42 AM

Called the branch manager friend at Tmpoint for coffee b4 he just kept it simple, told me that traffic from torrents and wow ( apparently torrents and wow traffic in malaysia is tops, i guess ) during prime time making it horrible for other users. They looking for ways to regulate traffic during primetime.

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 11:28 AM

Had a casual talk with him regarding this. Most of it reflect my opinion and western influence thinking and observation.

#1 - yes regulation bad for Torrent and WoW users, BUT great for others who dont torrent or play WoW
#2 - Old Fashion thinking ... they already control the market, every provider still has to pay them for useage
#3 - Improving will cost TM Hundreds of Millions if not a billion, that times conversion rate to USD ... BILLIONS of RM
#4 - The only ppl who get rich in Malayisa are Business owners and executives. Why spread the wealth when they can keep all? Over the last few years in malaysia, prices nearly doubled to tripled, yet salary almost remained the same. And from what i've seen here you think Malaysia is going to invest into improving when they still consider ADSL NEW ?

I remember when i first came to malaysia in 2002, No ADSL, and they were trying to push me to buy IDSN .. I was like WTF??? ISDN? That crap has been obsolete in the US years ago..

Do you even recall the last time you went to a coffee shop and seen a lorry driver drive up in a MERC? Only ppl i see drive up in MERC are Business Owners, Politicians and Executives... nuff said ...


#5 - You will NEVER see any HUGE improvements for a while until TM has a competitor. And that will never happen because the size of the Ringgit and Malaysia gov would prob pass a bill to charge a HUGE TARIFF if any competitor is allowed to or decide to do it.

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Added on September 15, 2009, 12:14 pmWhy pay for something that will cost them BILLIONS while the quick fix is to hire a low level entry, just out of school worker who CLAIMS they can do it? Cost them peanuts !

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 12:14 PM

I got this email a few days back :



The real problem that we are facing since early August is instability in Jaring network. It is not only effecting us, but all other providers in Jaring DC. We reported to Jaring regarding the issue in August, but they blame TM for the instability as TM owns the whole lines in Malaysia and international connectivity.

Since August, TM has also changed routing map for accessibility to Asia/US Pacific countries, shifting from APCN2 to AAG, causing packets to Taiwan, Korea and Japan (not within AAG range) to go through Los Angeles before reaching its destination country. We reported the problem to Jaring DC, but again, Jaring has no power to change the routing map as it is administered by TM.

We are sorry for any instability in the WAN network as it is totally out of our control. We are also reveiwing other DC (AIMS/Global Transit) for future move/expansion.




I guess great news for those who play on WoW Western Servers ... First Stop ... LA hhahahha
Since TM controls everything anyways, u think they going to make thier own traffic worst than others?
Since i dont have any taiwan ppl using tunnel, does the gamepath ppl use any Jaring server to connect to taiwan? This prob would explain why they lag if they do ... /shrugs

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 12:36 PM

Np, I extended your trial time and added a few more days, since tonight is patch night ... I extended till 24th

I miss something? what question?

I really don't take it as competition .. 2 different agendas ...

I know what you are going to say, its all about the money ... Listen, believe it or not, i dont even play wow, doing guild websites, this tunnel thingy is all more hobby for me, though expensive hobby. I've been funding and maintaining the LoTh websites all these years out my own pocket. Same with the Tunnel , i kept the rates at reasonable with the others. The special rates i gave are for the testers , and with those rates, i would like need 3x more user just to cover cost.

Most ppl who ran something like this started with 1 server. I started with 4 and moved it to 6 a few days later, I forked out out of my own pocket for 1 dedicated Server and 5 other servers just to see which does better. Most ppl did what 1-2 weeks free testing? I did almost 1 and 1/2 months of free testing. Never collected a dime, paid for all the servers out of my pocket.

I might not be as much as a guru like other providers, i just do enough that it gets the job done. Experimenting with different Datacenters, different server locations. Complicated? Whats so complicated with that?

I already have backings from a few companies that is interested what i am trying to do. As i told my staff, majority of the money is going to cost of servers, anything extra will go towards new server, i will not overload nor come close to overloading 45-55% server load max, well unless a disaster hits majority of my servers and i have to divert. lol But then again, im not too worried about that cause i still have dedicated servers that i own for the companies that helped out on standby JIC something does happen.


Im an ABC , born and raised in NYC , ex - US NAVY ,38 years old, and retired 5 years ago ( Thank u Apple and Google !! ) . Take it for what its worth, believe me, dont believe me, thats all up to you guys... Competing ... no need, im too old for that and dont want the headache ...

So with your question about it will it effect, i really dont think so, other providers made a good name for themselves already. They have loyal followers.





This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 15 2009, 08:53 PM

I think i answered above...

Please dont take it as i am taking it out on you or eugene. Im sorry if it came out sounding like it.
We all do what we do for different reasons, eugene put up a great service, his prices are higher than most but yet he still has his loyal followers and provide great service and options, same goes for the others..

The world is big enough for everyone .

If thats what he meant ... what you expect when they hire yes-men and monkeys who say they know what they are doing when they dont .. ( No offense to malaysians ... dont flame plz! )

I remember when we first got ADSL . I was the first to get it in SP, they came over to my house with their cached up laptop and installed. They never got it working and couldnt figure out why. I complained and complained and insited that the problem was not at my end but at the exchange. Scolded them so bad they called the boss.

The boss told me there was no problem at the exchange but at my house. Asked the boss where he was and he told me at the exchange. I told him to go outside, 3 min later i was there with the 2 techs.

After 20 minutes of bickering with this guy , uni grad with a rm20k circut tester ( i knew because he told me about 20x in front of his boss ). Sure enough after a call from KL , the man with the 20k gadet went inside, 5 min later came back out and said, they wired it backwards which led to internal loopage lol.


My honest opinion, TM serously got ripped of by singapore when they first started with their lease line from there... singapore prob ended up selling their old equipment to malaysia and used the money they made from malaysia and bought the up to date equipment they used now and still with money left over !!! lol ... now... this is just my opinion... dont want to get flamed by SG either lol

But looking at how we derailed this thread... i think i better stop with my opinion ...

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 16 2009, 12:45 AM

Yup that be it... how else do i get to join the US Navy lol

Hrmmmmm is this a clue.... THE RETURN OF RANTIC?

well if the system is setup correctly, you prob would DC. Most systems have a traffic stablizer so no one user can hog up the line. If say the server is FULL, the system will divide the the amount of users to the amount of bandwidth alloted. The more ppl, the smaller amount of alloted bandwidth u get. Over the limit gets put into a que and it waits in line to get to you. ( Hense the LAG )

So in reality when u run Recount, your sudden boost in data might cause you to LD because your packets exceed what you are alloted and prob all stuck in que waiting for you to clear up some to get to you...

Though i know it will NEVER happen... but i think and Eugene would prob agree, TURN OFF ALL UR DANG ADDONS and you probably would never DC , maybe little lag , and we would never have the headache wondering which server died, which DC is fooking up and spend hours answering PM instead of playing lol

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 18 2009, 11:04 AM

Well More Data, more packets, even if the packets are the same size. On the Tunnel Server more packets = more bandwidth, and if you exceed the bandwidth, the packed gets bottlenecked going from Tunnel Server to you.

On whatever Tunnel server you use, find one thats not FULL or overloaded .. Less ppl , more bandwidth space....

Been using that DC on one of our servers already ...

Quite stable ... well unless they are fooking around. But so far on my service, most ppl prefer servers on that DC over the Jaring and Aims server...

Well i totally got rid of the AIMs server... that was downright ridiculous when it came to stability with them .... and Jaring coming close to getting the BIG BOOT TOO !!!

Like i said, remove all will be best ... but many wont .... just just use whats really necessary ... I can almost guarentee you feel better performance.

Tunnel service isnt GOD lol, it can only do so much .. sure it helps reduce ping and all, but if you guys bite the bullet some and disable some stuff, guarantee you happiness with raiding . Imagine 60-70 users on a server all contributing and reducing some modules... less strain on the server... less lag for u, less lag for all, less headaches for the owners

This post has been edited by Raichu: Sep 19 2009, 12:02 AM

It takes TWO to Tango ...