what global medic?

CUCMS is not recruiting new students this year?? I called them, they said no intake for 2011.

No more until they get back their accreditation.

can somebody tell me how to read the lecturer qualification like this?

Professor A
DJN, MRCP(UK), DCP(Lond), FRCP(Glasg), FRCP(Edin), FRCPA(Austr), FAMM, FASc

Professor B
M.B.B.S, M.Path, M.R.C.Path, F.R.C.Path, F.R.C.P.A, PhD, MD

Especially the Path.Path.Path

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Added on April 17, 2011, 8:01 pmAnd what is the advantages of holding these qualification, Thank you!

This post has been edited by BrianBee: Apr 17 2011, 08:01 PM

Let's start with Professor A
DJN: Darjah Johan Negeri
MRCP: Membership of the Royal College of Physicians
FRCP: Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians
FRCPA: Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists of Australasia
Not quite sure about DCP, FAMM & FASc, although the latter two probably refer to some form of fellowship

Professor B
MPath: Masters in Pathology, I'm assuming
MRCPath: Membership of the Royal College of Pathologists
FRCPath: Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists

The "Path" denotes pathology, "M" most often represents Member/Membership while "F" represents Fellow

MRCP and FRCP for example are post-graduation medical qualifications which need to be obtained for one to be a full-fledged physician (i.e. specialist). In America, medical degree holders need to complete a residency before they receive full board certification which is needed to practise medicine independently. Holding an MBBS or MD does not qualify one to practise independently without supervision.

Progression in a typical medical career:
Medical School (4-6 years) > Internship/housemanship (1-2 years) > General Medical Officer (2-3 years) > Registrar (3-5 years depending on specialty) > Physician/Surgeon (by this stage you would have earned some of the qualifications listed above)

This post has been edited by Huskies: Apr 17 2011, 08:29 PM

What is the difference of Medicine degree(MBBS & MD) and Bachelor of Medical Science?

he wrote such a long reply to you and you didn't even thank him?

The content of both degrees has a lot of differences and without a recognized medical degree (MBBS,MBBCh,MD or other variants) one simply can not practice medicine.

Thank you Huskies,

MBBS, M. Med. Sc. (Obstetrics & Gynaecology)

does that mean specialist in Obstetrics & Gynaecology?

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Added on April 17, 2011, 9:04 pmwgy589, I was preoccupied and looking for info just now. I said thank you on the second post, before i read your post. All in all, sorry for being late and yet thank you very much Huskies, i would have not understand any of it if not you explained it.

This post has been edited by BrianBee: Apr 17 2011, 09:04 PM

Famm is fellow of the academy of medicine, malaysia.........honorary title in msia context......in spore fams is a form of accredition of specialist.......

I ran through UTAR staff directory on medicine department and compare with other school.

Do you think, med school with lecturers who possess MBBS & MD will provide better teaching quality than lecturers in UTAR who possess degree in medical science, biochemistry, genetic, Physical Therapy, Health Science, Immunology, Molecular Biology and so on. I mean they may not possess MBBS or MD but they can contribute their specialty like the lecturer who has a degree in genetic can teach basic genetic, lecturer who has a degree in biochemistry can teach pharmacology.
(most of the lecturer in UTAR dont have MBBS and MD except few, that is assuming the list is up to date)

However i still think MBBS or MD holder triumph the later, what do you think??

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Added on April 18, 2011, 10:55 amThanks in advance

This post has been edited by BrianBee: Apr 18 2011, 10:57 AM

basic sciences can be taught by non-medical doctors, it is not an issue, and is common in all med schools.........it is a waste of resources to insist that medically qualified lecturers teach the basic sciences.......with the notable exception of anatomy, which is best taught by anatomist or trainee surgeons.......

I would say the title itself doesn't mean everything.
Experience counts.

Most medical doctors (i.e. MBBS/ MD holders) are more clinical oriented, as in more on clinical medicine and not so much into molecular/ cellular biochemistry etc. But some doctors are more research oriented, so they are more into physiology/ molecular stuffs.

So you cant really judge a lecturer based on his/her degree alone.
I spent my early years in IMU, some of the lecturers (BSc holder, not medical doctor themselves) are just fantastic. They know their stuffs.
But once you enter clinical years, its a completely different ballgame.
It will be more on clinical medicine, you probably wont touch much of immunology/ biochem that often.

All the best in medicine.
If you like people, you will very much enjoy it. Have fun.



This post has been edited by SilverfoX: Apr 18 2011, 12:59 PM

i believe,this

I have an offer for MBBS from MSU. I am seriously considering this offer, however would like to extend my dilemma to LYN users just to get fresh prospects. I'm wondering if i should accept and move on with it.

The situation: I hold a degree. In fact, i've completed Mpharm. from abroad, uk.
I've applied to IMU, to which they hve rejected me based on missing out 1 point of my I.B grades and on top of that i've only achieved a second lower in my degree (58% - just 2% of a second higher). The ultimatum given was that IMU would like to see me having atleast 2 yrs work exp. which basically means I could finish my Pharmacy registration in tht amt of time (2-3 yrs) and be under the M'sian Pharm. Board, which allows me to work independently if choose to do so.

So, to re-cap the situation, should I pursue my pharm. registration for now and then re-apply to accredited Med sch. as IMU, etc. or should I hitch on the ride now since i have already received an unconditional MBBS offer from MSU, given that the prog. is not as established as IMU?
(MSU mbbs don't allow you to work abroad for further studies right?)

OR - 3rd option - pursue Pharm. and just forget Med. because as pharmacy allows you to have a better general quality of life (such as working hrs, registrations/reguulations, etc.) than medicine?

*Note about myself:
I am a knowledge seeker, I know i will enjoy studying medicine jst as ive done 4 yrs of pharm. school, so to me it feels like pharmacy can be a stepping stone in life to pursue to the next level - a Doctor - an authoritative figure, bigger responsibilities, leader, that pretty much will test all aspects of your capabilities to the limit; only a few reaches that optimal point where you have successfully balance your weaknesses to your strengths, thus attaining the true level of competency as a Medical Doctor. This is what i see Medicine is all about.

On the other hand, I am also able to accept Pharmacy profession just because i already have it in hand. Working as a pharmacist can still also land you an important role in medical world (not to sure about Msia?), although I probably will look into opening my own pharmacy business if chosen not to pursue Medicine. Ultimately, will still be happy with life given the less no. of working hrs and days, allows me to spend time with loved ones at home and on top of that, still will be financially stable as compared to a Doctor.

So - there you have it. In M''sia with the current trend and prospects, is it worth-while for me to pursue my passion for medicine NOW (or wait 2 yrs for IMU) or is it better to invest the money, time and effort into Pharm. and develop from there?

Please, plzz help me by providing your advice, thoughts or any comments from experiences will be much appreciated! THANKS LYN.

Let me be frank about this - there'll be so many doctors in the market by the time you graduate, it doesn't even matter where you graduate; we'll start seeing jobless doctors (or should we call them medical graduates since they're unemployable) doing menial jobs.

Having said that, it is my belief that there will ALWAYS be a shortage of PASSIONATE & COMPETENT doctors, especially so in Malaysia (I don't see how the brain drain is going to fix itself any time soon - the whole system is analogous to a giant sinking ship).

Ultimately, it depends on what you want to get out of your career and life in general. Granted, medicine is a noble field requiring dedication and sacrifice - if you have all the qualities that would make you a good doctor, then by all means go for it.

@Huskies

Thanks for providing an insightful comment. I am not going to disagree with any of the things you mentioned above, as it's all true. I guess my biggest fear is that if i decide to opt for passion (medicine) now, will i lose out in life when i grad (as your analogous suggests - giant sinking ship)...as in face problems with registration/housemanship due to the over-flooding of 'medical graduates'?

Instead i can steer clear of all this semi-foreseen obstacles and use my pharm. degree for a better purpose.

Hmm, interesting indeed...haha, to be honest, i am stumped!

I dont see graduates from critical courses becoming jobless whether now or in the near future unless what you learn dont even meet the basic requirements to do a competent job.

There are always job openings for competent professionals.

Do something that you like and you're good at, and you can achieve many more things in life than being in a place or a system which you are constantly bitter about.

If you want to see where the Malaysian health care system is headed to, just look at Indonesia

"I dont see graduates from critical courses becoming jobless whether now or in the near future unless what you learn dont even meet the basic requirements to do a competent job."

This may apply to other professions but certainly not medicine. Honestly, would you want a doctor with just basic requirements treating you?

It is this falsehood that is damning us all. Parents put their children through medical school expecting an easy ride later in life for them. Tell me how is this not wrong

stick to pharmacy.......

there WILL be over supply of doctors by the time you graduate......