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post Apr 11 2011, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ Apr 10 2011, 08:29 PM)
Latest Update - Perdana University added to the list~ See the fees:

Program offered: MD (Graduate Entry)
Duration: 4 Years
Fees: RM 1 MILLION - LoL  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif

See here for the Fees: http://www.perdanauniversity.edu.my/pugsom.../tuition--fees/

-Program begins in September 2011

Twinning program: No

Location of main campus:
Perdana University Graduate School of Medicine - Admissions Office, Suite 5.3 5th Floor,
Wisma Chase Perdana, Off Jalan Semantan, Damansara Heights,
50490 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia.

Tel: 03-27183721
Email: admission@perdanauniversity.edu.my
Website: http://www.perdanauniversity.edu.my/pugsom/
That kind of fee surely is a record breaker for a medical IPTS in Malaysia~  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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These people must be deluded...at 1 million ringgit for tuition fees alone, you might as well go to Johns Hopkins directly, international students there only pay 42,600 USD per annum

Link: http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/som/offices...t/1112cost.html

Odds are this going to be another UNSW Asia, except you're not even getting a degree from Johns Hopkins ?!!

"That kind of fee surely is a record breaker for a medical IPTS in Malaysia"

Correction: I have reason to believe it's the MOST expensive medical degree in the world smile.gif

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post Apr 11 2011, 08:12 PM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 11 2011, 12:30 AM)
hmm i wonder how much they will give.  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Even with the financial support promise, it's still obscenely overpriced; how does PUGSOM justify charging 250000 (approx. 80000 USD) per year when medical schools like AIMST charge only 45000 per annum. If AIMST or even Monash are calling themselves world-class, how would PUGSOM describe itself? Best university in the world? I'd be amazed if they could recruit even one private student.

Any form of financial aid from the government would inevitably come from the taxpayers, notwithstanding the fact that Johns Hopkins can bail out of this project any time. Funny thing though, as a truly global institution (or so it claims), its application form still requires you to enter your ethnicity and religion...

Wow, Malaysia truly is amazing. Not only do we have the highest medical school count to population ratio, we can now boast of the most expensive university in the world laugh.gif

http://www.forbes.com/2008/01/21/education...21colleges.html

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post Apr 17 2011, 08:19 PM

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QUOTE(BrianBee @ Apr 17 2011, 07:59 PM)
can somebody tell me how to read the lecturer qualification like this?

Professor A
DJN, MRCP(UK), DCP(Lond), FRCP(Glasg), FRCP(Edin), FRCPA(Austr), FAMM, FASc

Professor B
M.B.B.S, M.Path, M.R.C.Path, F.R.C.Path, F.R.C.P.A, PhD, MD

Especially the Path.Path.Path


Added on April 17, 2011, 8:01 pmAnd what is the advantages of holding these qualification, Thank you!
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Let's start with Professor A
DJN: Darjah Johan Negeri
MRCP: Membership of the Royal College of Physicians
FRCP: Fellow of the Royal College of Physicians
FRCPA: Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists of Australasia
Not quite sure about DCP, FAMM & FASc, although the latter two probably refer to some form of fellowship

Professor B
MPath: Masters in Pathology, I'm assuming
MRCPath: Membership of the Royal College of Pathologists
FRCPath: Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists

The "Path" denotes pathology, "M" most often represents Member/Membership while "F" represents Fellow

MRCP and FRCP for example are post-graduation medical qualifications which need to be obtained for one to be a full-fledged physician (i.e. specialist). In America, medical degree holders need to complete a residency before they receive full board certification which is needed to practise medicine independently. Holding an MBBS or MD does not qualify one to practise independently without supervision.

Progression in a typical medical career:
Medical School (4-6 years) > Internship/housemanship (1-2 years) > General Medical Officer (2-3 years) > Registrar (3-5 years depending on specialty) > Physician/Surgeon (by this stage you would have earned some of the qualifications listed above)

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post Apr 25 2011, 05:01 PM

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QUOTE(ridd @ Apr 25 2011, 04:03 PM)
I have an offer for MBBS from MSU. I am seriously considering this offer, however would like to extend my dilemma to LYN users just to get fresh prospects. I'm wondering if i should accept and move on with it.

The situation: I hold a degree. In fact, i've completed Mpharm. from abroad, uk.
I've applied to IMU, to which they hve rejected me based on missing out 1 point of my I.B grades and on top of that i've only achieved a second lower in my degree (58% - just 2% of a second higher). The ultimatum given was that IMU would like to see me having atleast 2 yrs work exp. which basically means I could finish my Pharmacy registration in tht amt of time (2-3 yrs) and be under the M'sian Pharm. Board, which allows me to work independently if choose to do so.

So, to re-cap the situation, should I pursue my pharm. registration for now and then re-apply to accredited Med sch. as IMU, etc. or should I hitch on the ride now since i have already received an unconditional MBBS offer from MSU, given that the prog. is not as established as IMU?
(MSU mbbs don't allow you to work abroad for further studies right?)

OR - 3rd option - pursue Pharm. and just forget Med. because as pharmacy allows you to have a better general quality of life (such as working hrs, registrations/reguulations, etc.) than medicine? 

*Note about myself:
I am a knowledge seeker, I know i will enjoy studying medicine jst as ive done 4 yrs of pharm. school, so to me it feels like pharmacy can be a stepping stone in life to pursue to the next level - a Doctor - an authoritative figure, bigger responsibilities, leader, that pretty much will test all aspects of your capabilities to the limit; only a few reaches that optimal point where you have successfully balance your weaknesses to your strengths, thus attaining the true level of competency as a Medical Doctor. This is what i see Medicine is all about.

On the other hand, I am also able to accept Pharmacy profession just because i already have it in hand. Working as a pharmacist can still also land you an important role in medical world (not to sure about Msia?), although I probably will look into opening my own pharmacy business if chosen not to pursue Medicine. Ultimately, will still be happy with life given the less no. of working hrs and days, allows me to spend time with loved ones at home and on top of that, still will be financially stable as compared to a Doctor.

So - there you have it. In M''sia with the current trend and prospects, is it worth-while for me to pursue my passion for medicine NOW (or wait 2 yrs for IMU) or is it better to invest the money, time and effort into Pharm. and develop from there?

Please, plzz help me by providing your advice, thoughts or any comments from experiences will be much appreciated! THANKS LYN.
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Let me be frank about this - there'll be so many doctors in the market by the time you graduate, it doesn't even matter where you graduate; we'll start seeing jobless doctors (or should we call them medical graduates since they're unemployable) doing menial jobs.

Having said that, it is my belief that there will ALWAYS be a shortage of PASSIONATE & COMPETENT doctors, especially so in Malaysia (I don't see how the brain drain is going to fix itself any time soon - the whole system is analogous to a giant sinking ship).

Ultimately, it depends on what you want to get out of your career and life in general. Granted, medicine is a noble field requiring dedication and sacrifice - if you have all the qualities that would make you a good doctor, then by all means go for it.
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post Apr 25 2011, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(ridd @ Apr 25 2011, 05:41 PM)
@Huskies

Thanks for providing an insightful comment. I am not going to disagree with any of the things you mentioned above, as it's all true. I guess my biggest fear is that if i decide to opt for passion (medicine) now, will i lose out in life when i grad (as your analogous suggests - giant sinking ship)...as in face problems with registration/housemanship due to the over-flooding of 'medical graduates'?

Instead i can steer clear of all this semi-foreseen obstacles and use my pharm. degree for a better purpose.

Hmm, interesting indeed...haha,  to be honest, i am stumped!
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Do something that you like and you're good at, and you can achieve many more things in life than being in a place or a system which you are constantly bitter about.

If you want to see where the Malaysian health care system is headed to, just look at Indonesia

"I dont see graduates from critical courses becoming jobless whether now or in the near future unless what you learn dont even meet the basic requirements to do a competent job."

This may apply to other professions but certainly not medicine. Honestly, would you want a doctor with just basic requirements treating you?

It is this falsehood that is damning us all. Parents put their children through medical school expecting an easy ride later in life for them. Tell me how is this not wrong shakehead.gif

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post May 21 2011, 04:05 AM

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QUOTE(CyberSetan @ May 20 2011, 07:06 PM)
...and thats RM100 MILLION already (RM50 MILLION from JPA alone)~  laugh.gif
Najib so enthusiastic about it~ has he got some interest in it~?  brows.gif
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Wouldn't it make more sense to inject the 50 million into our public universities ?!!

How exactly does PUGSOM justify its exorbitant fees? This is a country with no minimum wage policy and a GDP per capita that is 6 times smaller than the United States and somehow the tuition fee is higher than what is charged in Baltimore !!!

The tuition fees could very well be used to foot the massive paychecks that these JHU academics will demand...
And if you look at their website, they just assigned a couple of academics as "adjunct" professors...how can this be a sincere initiative from Johns Hopkins University, "adjunct" professors at the most expensive university in the world??? Not only is this project siphoning money away from Malaysians, it doesn't even solve the chronic problem of medical teaching staff shortage that is plaguing the system.

Doesn't it seem weird that none of the private universities in Malaysia have their financial statement available for public access? Makes you wonder where all the money is going to...
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post May 21 2011, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Hikari0307 @ May 21 2011, 11:31 AM)
lol companies that are not public listed have no obligation to show the public their financial statements ^^" It's not weird at all that you can't find their financial statements available publicly.
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They may not be public listed, but the bulk of their income still comes from the government (ie taxpayers) in the form of student financial aid (scholarship or loan). Don't you think the public deserves to know how the money is put to use?

Well, I guess that's Malaysian accountability for you. Harvard is a private institution, but its annual financial report is available to everyone.

http://vpf-web.harvard.edu/annualfinancial/
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post May 21 2011, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 21 2011, 06:04 PM)
they will still consider this pseudo-jh because it will be very much EASIER to get in.........

presumably the perdana will incorporate the usmle step 1 and 2 into their programme, so graduates will be able to look for jobs in the us on graduation.....

not that different from some students from ipts who undertake the usmle privately......
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So if the graduates are going to work in the United States anyway, then why bother fund them in the first place??? Johns Hopkins must be laughing their socks off at our stupidity rclxub.gif
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post May 21 2011, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(Angela Lee @ May 21 2011, 07:05 PM)
The reasons are not obvious?  laugh.gif
If no money are funded, how can work in the US?  unsure.gif
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I for one will be most interested to see the MCAT and GPA averages (which I doubt PUGSOM will ever release) of the successful applicants as well as their USMLE Step 1 scores at the end of 2nd year. I'm pretty sure they'll pale in comparison to the candidates at Johns Hopkins.
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post Jan 19 2012, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ Jan 19 2012, 07:46 AM)
the universities CANNOT help foreigners get housemanship jobs....individuals will need to apply directly to the jpa and ministry of health for the job.....

it is amazing what they will promise to get people's money........
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I think there are two things people should know about PUGSOM - 1. MCAT is only taken after one has ACCEPTED the offer and about to ENROL (what's the point of taking the MCAT then?) 2. PUGSOM students need to take Step 1 of the USMLE, but does not have to pass it to progress to the clinical years.

Oh and the inaugural class of Malaysians at Perdana is sponsored entirely by JPA smile.gif
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post Mar 6 2012, 07:26 PM

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QUOTE(tqeh @ Mar 6 2012, 06:25 PM)
Limeuu, do you mind explaining about the possibility of working in Ireland if he/she studied in PMC. I was wondering why most PMC graduates got stuck in Malaysia.
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And Ireland should guarantee employment for a Malaysian studying in a Malaysian institution why?

On another note, it's that time of the year again - SPM results season biggrin.gif JPA and medicine....
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post May 7 2012, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(limeuu @ May 7 2012, 08:49 AM)
he was basing the calculations on 4k doctors a year.....last year it was 6+k.....

and has anyone thought about what happens when we reach the magical 'target'?.....just suddenly close 1/2 the med schools?.....we will only need <3k doctors to keep constant (replace retiring/dead doctors) then......and we are producing 7k.....what happens to the extra thousands with no jobs?....
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We'll just end up like the Philippines, where doctors have to retrain as nurses. Oh I can't wait to see how the media circus is going to unfold when that happens - parents and students whingeing, finger pointing etc.

 

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