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cute_boboi
post Jul 12 2012, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ya Rerd @ Jul 12 2012, 03:25 AM)
Hi there,

Hope your guys can help me out here.

I've handed in my resignation on 28 June and I'm currently serving my 2 months notice period.

During this period, am I still considered "under employment"?

My contract stipulates that I am eligible for bonuses if the payment of the bonus is done when I am still under employment. The bonus payment and increment will happen on July.

Do I get the bonus and my yearly salary increment?
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Yes, you are still under employment until the last day of the notice period. Not the last working day.
e.g. Assume no other scenario, your last employment day is 28-Aug. Although after deduct AL, your last working day maybe 10-Aug.

Generally, most companies do not pay non-contractual bonus/increment once a person resigns. A simple notice from company can alter the review to no-increment and no-bonus due to whatever reason they pluck from sky.

In your case, I assume it is non-contractual. You MAY be eligible for it, but not contractual.

However, if a staff is good enough, and the management appreciates it, sometimes he/she will get the bonus.

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post Jul 17 2012, 09:04 AM

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Guys,
i got one question here. My project has ended in April and received the retrenchment letter from the company but at the same time i have been transferred to HQ and take different JD. The HR did issue me the transfer letter but i didn't sign it. so it's has been 3 months i am in HQ and if i decided to leave, can i just give 24 hrs? since i didn't sign the transfer letter but only got the retrenchment letter?

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post Jul 17 2012, 09:42 AM

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Should i just tender with my HoD or HR and HoD?

Should it be a proper letter or an email will suffice in a formal format.

Another thing if i do tender via a letter do i just pass it to HR and walk away or stand there??

This is very awkward. Whom do i explain my self to my HoD? or my HR?
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QUOTE(Holyboyz @ Jul 17 2012, 09:42 AM)
Should i just tender with my HoD or HR and HoD?

Should it be a proper letter or an email will suffice in a formal format.

Another thing if i do tender via a letter do i just pass it to HR and walk away or stand there??

This is very awkward. Whom do i explain my self to my HoD? or my HR?
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1) both
2) proper letter
3) walk using ur legs to HR, stop and stand when u see the person, use your hand, some culture prefer right hand, some culture prefer both hands, to pass the letter to the person. If the person talk to you, stand there and answer. If the person acknowledge the letter and say u can leave, walk away. If the person keep quiet, just stand there until he or she says u can leave. Walk away with your leg.

3) whoever ask u questions, u answer. There will be exit interview with hod and/or HR. U can sit down during exit interview.

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post Jul 17 2012, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(shchiam1978 @ Jul 17 2012, 09:04 AM)
Guys,
i got one question here. My project has ended in April and received the retrenchment letter from the company but at the same time i have been transferred to HQ and take different JD. The HR did issue me the transfer letter but i didn't sign it. so it's has been 3 months i am in HQ and if i decided to leave, can i just give 24 hrs? since i didn't sign the transfer letter but only got the retrenchment letter?
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Look into your contract if it mention anything about lapse. Some may written follow the last contract or whatever.

If not mentioned, take a look at the retrenchment. They give you notice or not needed ?

Else, you can always go and negotiate with HR for early release. Bear in mind, salary also cut-short as per early release.

QUOTE(Holyboyz @ Jul 17 2012, 09:42 AM)
Should i just tender with my HoD or HR and HoD?

Should it be a proper letter or an email will suffice in a formal format.

Another thing if i do tender via a letter do i just pass it to HR and walk away or stand there??

This is very awkward. Whom do i explain my self to my HoD? or my HR?
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Submit to both HR & HoD. Letter address to HoD. At the bottom of the letter after your signature, just put:
cc. HR

Same if you submit through email, cc HR.

Don't worry, it is always awkward, unless your resignation is known well before hand. Normally take some time (minutes/hours/days) for it to get into reality, before you are called for discussion/exit interview.

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post Jul 17 2012, 12:17 PM

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Is it common for people to suddenly resign, might seem like a bomb is dropped its not that i have show signs of discontent for the company its just not my type of industry and i dont have interest in my work,

Nor Gain job satisfaction.

Im still on probation.

Being my first job, what is expected of me during the 1 month in lieu ~?

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post Jul 17 2012, 04:59 PM

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[quote=cute_boboi,Jul 17 2012, 11:59 AM]
Look into your contract if it mention anything about lapse. Some may written follow the last contract or whatever.

If not mentioned, take a look at the retrenchment. They give you notice or not needed ?

Else, you can always go and negotiate with HR for early release. Bear in mind, salary also cut-short as per early release.
Submit to both HR & HoD. Letter address to HoD. At the bottom of the letter after your signature, just put:
cc. HR


Thanks for the information, well the retrenchment didn't indicate that follw the last contract. it just mention that my last employment with xxx company will be on xxx.
after that i do received the transfer letter but i didn't sign it.


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post Jul 18 2012, 02:52 PM

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post Jul 21 2012, 06:25 PM

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Afternoon.

Let say on Monday, I start working in Company A (probation 3 months as always).
Already sign the contract/offer letter etc.

Then, after few days receive an offer from Company B.

I prefer Company B since better remuneration etc.

What is the BEST way to resign from Company A on good terms?


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post Jul 24 2012, 03:52 PM

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QUOTE(Raikkonen @ Jul 21 2012, 06:25 PM)
Afternoon.

Let say on Monday, I start working in Company A (probation 3 months as always).
Already sign the contract/offer letter etc.

Then, after few days receive an offer from Company B.

I prefer Company B since better remuneration etc.

What is the BEST way to resign from Company A on good terms?


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Get the offer black and white from the company B and then talk to your company A HR or your current boss.
Check your company A offer letter see whether you can leave within 24 hrs or not.

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post Aug 8 2012, 03:24 PM

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Currently, I am working a company which i am at front end position. One thing frustrated me is that last time my team was coming for saturday and sunday to work for support. Now become one habit that all the company people assume we must work on Saturday and Sunday. Although have OT claimed, but we have given much time to the company and we ourselves lack of personal time. This is what i dislike and the reason for me to resign.Currently I haven't submitted the letter because i want to get an offer first then i only hand over the letter.But now is hard to find job and currently i also cannot stand the pressure whereby need to work 7 days a week.Please advise
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post Aug 22 2012, 09:42 AM

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My immediate supervisor told me I'm in radar due to performance. At the same time i m also looking for job and answer from other co.
Should I tell him my current situation that I hav intention to leave ?

Need advice urgently
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post Aug 22 2012, 09:44 AM

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I tried to resign last week

i succeeded after a gruelling 12-hour (over a few sessions over 2 days) of consultation with my boss
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post Aug 23 2012, 11:58 AM

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QUOTE(ronaldoo @ Aug 22 2012, 09:42 AM)
My immediate supervisor told me I'm in radar due to performance. At the same time i m also looking for job and answer from other co.
Should I tell him my current situation that I hav intention to leave ?

Need advice urgently
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Until you get an offer in hand, keep it quiet and humble.

QUOTE(alexng2208 @ Aug 22 2012, 09:44 AM)
I tried to resign last week

i succeeded after a gruelling 12-hour (over a few sessions over 2 days) of consultation with my boss
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doh.gif What's there to gruel about ? Basically there is no need for resignation acceptance from boss. You resign, period. You start serving notice period.

What follows will be the exit interview, where they may try to sweet talk / convince you to stay or extend longer. You have the choice to make decision on this, not the boss.

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post Aug 23 2012, 08:04 PM

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He is close to me, and I wanted to voice out to him personally at least giving him time to find replacement..
Any other advice
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post Aug 24 2012, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldoo @ Aug 23 2012, 08:04 PM)
He is close to me, and I wanted to voice out to him personally at least giving him time to find replacement..
Any other advice
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My answer is still no. No matter how close, the moment a person resigns, you will see the true colours. Ask many here, I'm sure they see it as well.

Unless, of course, you are higher up in the management, where the industry is niche and small, and you don't want to provoke anyone.

What I suggest you to do is, let's say you need 1 month notice period.
Tell the new company you need 1.5-2 months before can join, as you want to finish up a project there (even if there is no project). By explaining to new company you want to finish up and handover properly, if the new company read between the lines, it shows you are a responsible person who will not leave immediately if you going to join other newer companies in future. +1 brownie point.

Wait until you get and sign offer letter. Make sure you don't turn back and continue working in current company, no matter what. Even if your current boss offer you even higher or better. Remember, always move forward, don't turn back.

Then for your current co (after u sign OL), you can start tell boss verbally, you planning to leave already. Within 1-3 weeks (depending on how much time you budgeted), you can start submit official resignation letter.
If the boss is good, you still can be friends after you leave, as you said.
If you see the true colours, you will appreciate the steps I put in here for you to cover your backside.

If you manage to leave early, just take the few weeks as rest period. Go holiday, hometown, sleep, whatever to recharge before join new company.

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post Aug 24 2012, 04:35 PM

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I have a question here.. iam resigning from my current company. i give 3 month notice. then i ask for early resignation. which is 2 month. after few conv with my boss, they ask for me to pay the remainng days.
I have ro sign an agreement to pay..bla.. bla.. bla.. if i dont pay company will hold my EA form. what is th important of this? Srry.. noob here..

So, by law how to calculate how much i have to pay?
Monthly salary/(working day)? Salary. Should include my fixed allowance? Public holiday shoud include or not in the calculation.
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post Aug 27 2012, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(ruzainiazfar @ Aug 24 2012, 04:35 PM)
I have a question here.. iam resigning from my current company. i give 3 month notice. then i ask for early resignation. which is 2 month. after few conv with my boss, they ask for me to pay the remainng days.
I have ro sign an agreement to pay..bla.. bla.. bla.. if i dont pay company will hold my EA form. what is th important of this? Srry.. noob here..

So, by law how to calculate how much i have to pay?
Monthly salary/(working day)? Salary. Should include my fixed allowance? Public holiday shoud include or not in the calculation.
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Since you need to sign the agreement, the amount to pay back should be stated there. For 1 month, it is very easy, just take your one month basic salary.
However, some companies try to be funny and use other ways to calculate, hence there is no definitive answer here.

EA Form is mainly for income tax purpose.

Just ask your HR/Finance/boss what is the amount and how they calculate, and ask them include in the agreement.

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QUOTE(ruzainiazfar @ Aug 24 2012, 04:35 PM)
I have a question here.. iam resigning from my current company. i give 3 month notice. then i ask for early resignation. which is 2 month. after few conv with my boss, they ask for me to pay the remainng days.
I have ro sign an agreement to pay..bla.. bla.. bla.. if i dont pay company will hold my EA form. what is th important of this? Srry.. noob here..

So, by law how to calculate how much i have to pay?
Monthly salary/(working day)? Salary. Should include my fixed allowance? Public holiday shoud include or not in the calculation.
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It is just the stupid company policy to give 3 mths notice, for SM and above position I can see the significant but for junior exec just a waste of time and really degrading. If the company ask you to stay for 3 mths just stay, rather than paying for the days, unless you already have a job waiting and can't wait any longer.

I have seen exec having tendered their resignation, just "makan tidor" at the work place, ie. they don't do any job at all, read newspaper, play games, talk on phone, come in late, etc... Everybody knows that's the way it is, even bosses don't care anymore. It demoralized the workforce but depending on HR if they strictly follows the policy that is what you going to get.

Paying back to the company is a no-no, unless the other company is paying a lot more, and if you can sweet talk to the new company to pay for the penalty (potong gaji la) then that is OK.
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hi guys, would appreciate if anyone can help me on this.

lets say i am going to tender the resignation letter on monday and serve for 1 week notice, my last day will be coming sunday or monday? icon_question.gif icon_question.gif

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