i am not sure if Gurney can get 25% for the Planet OCean but there is a shop in KL that can let go the Planet Ocean for slightly less than 10k..

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Added on March 2, 2010, 8:39 pmi am worse....since November want to buy...till now still undecided.....everytime got see something new, change my mind.....but some people say its a good thing...a sign that i am not buying with impulse....so ..i'll wait...hopefully price dont go up too soon...

Patryn will tell you i am eyeing the Jean Richard 1665 now..with regulator and power display.....still wondering if i should make the kill (about RM 6.5k)....or use the $$ to get an Oris + Ball OR...save some more ( plus few more K) and go for the Planet Ocean....or.....maybe add few more k and get aOmega AquaTerra with 8500 co-axial!!

aRRGGHH!!!

yeah..Patryn seems to like Zenith a lot....perhaps the history of Zenith winning the chronograph race eh?

This post has been edited by nando: Mar 2 2010, 09:42 PM

Decision, decisions, decisions eh? hahahaha
Its a good thing ure not an impulse buyer...seriously. Wish I could be like that!
The Jean Richard 1665 looks seriously good! Which Oris and Ball are you eyeing at??

i used to be attracted to the Hunter Limited Edition
(the one on left)

I also like the Art Small Second Date Pointer...

and my favourite ball so far is the 46mm Aviator...(your `widow'..hahaha)


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Wow both look great! i like the dial switch (I dono what is it called) for Longines
But i love the name Maurice Lacroix craft on the watch is so elegant with black finishing

Can i know how much is each luxury watch?

Ohh yeah before i fall for Tag i was aiming on this Oris BC4 too but i forgotten what is the model name~ phew thank god someone posted it up! It refresh my memory when i stated to adore luxury watches.



What is the retail price? and the exact price after discount?


Limited Edition Singapore 2009 Tag Heuer DD

Just got back from Bookshop browsing watch magazine March 2010 and i saw this Omega where patryn33 posted. I was shock u guys really into watches. If im not mistaken the saw was stated at 12k (from mag)

Been reading 1 forum talk (chicks talk on watches) many chicks fall in love for Zenith? I wonder y? with all the blink blink???

Now u guys make me like IWC/ Zenith/Maurice Lacroix/Longines/Tag/Omega

Ohh dear, what can i get now? Does Maurice Lacroix come with chronograph?

Thanks in advanced

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Added on March 2, 2010, 11:32 pmHi Jr.Koh,

By reading your opinion on Tag DD. Yes for DD i more exp compare to D with extra 2k+ and slightly bigger at 43mm vs 41mm on D.
Im not a tall guy but slightly bulk therefore with 43mm on my wrist looks kind of obvious "big".

In other hand, Date version at 41mm suits me well. Just "feel" something missing from it (Phycho on extra day?) and the strip is slightly different from D VS DD (DD comes with better pattern n lining).

And i kept telling myself if u can afford a 8k+ watch y cant u "try" top up abit more for better design Guess human nature~

So, r u happy with your DD? Since there's so many positive reviews on other brand? Or what about the leather strap is it comfortable when wearing with minor sweat?

If im not mistaken somewhere around either March/April there's a roadshow for Tag at KLCC up to 23% on yr 2009. Hope they are practicing this event yearly


This post has been edited by terencetoo: Mar 2 2010, 11:32 PM

OMG
this one also not bad

USD$1995, mother of pearl, bling bling diamonds.

won't lah.. i assure you when night falls the Aviator will get lots of loving.

get it, it fits 99% of your criteria..and I find it absolutely stunning. shows that you're serious business.


Once upon a time I also liked the Oris TT3..but after trying it and the Ball Hydrocarbons.. forget the TT3.. the watch back is somewhat flat and doesn't sit that well on the wrist compared to the BHC. its light, and Ball was solid.. yes I knew it was the titanium, but the Ball's solid-ness did it for me. The TT3 "carbon fibre" dial looked nice on pictures, but in person I didn't find it particularly stunning..the Maurice Lacroix Pontos Full Black Chronographe is awesome.. for me if I'm getting a chrono its between the ML Pontos Full Black Chrono vs Oris BC4 Chrono. the ML will be dressier and the BC4 more rugged... hard to choose really.. both are different..wait..get both!

the Oris Pure Mech motto really appealed to me, but their watch design didn't make it. their Williams F1 too flashy for me, TT3 didn't stand out, design of the BC3 didn't appeal to me, divers I'd go with an Omega SM or PO, Culture, well, the Modern Classic and Artelier Date was nice but the Maurice Lacroix Pontos DD was even better. Now the BC4 is chronograph is talking..

I got a decent discount from my AD, which is slightly more than 23%, cos I paid with cash. The strap feels different from my other alligator strap watches, as what I've noticed, I do not sweat much when i wear it for all day long compared to other watches I have (leather straps). Btw, I'm someone who sweats even when I walk in malls like 1 utama. I have actually looked upon other brands such as omega, oris, ball, ML and etc.. In the end I still went for the carrera DD as it suits me better, I'm still in my early 20s, an omega will definitely make me look more matured. No offense to anyone here by making that statement as that is my personal perception. Was eyeing for a IWC Portuguese 7 days reserve but IMHO its too dressy for me and of cos the main concern was pricing a bit too steep for my wallet. Don't worry bout the size, once you go for something bigger, you'll never look back at those small ones anymore. ML does come with chronograph, ML pontos chronographe, pricing is cheaper as well.

Jason: Tags are everywhere because of their strong marketing and versatility; but not those models with the RRP of 5 figures like GC. Its just like comparison of honda and toyota, where toyota are more sellable as they have cars of lower range in the 60k+ range while honda starts from 85k+ onwards. Longines do make a lot of nice watches, those nice ones you can hardly find them in malaysia. As far as what I saw from those AD selling longines, mostly are dress watches. By the end of the day, I don't really care if Tags are everywhere cause the model I'm having is a higher end of TH rather than those common models. Cheers.

nando: Bumped into an uncle wearing the orange omega PO, very eye catchy Will definitely get one when I approach my late 20s. Prefer something more sporty right now. Chronograph in short.

This post has been edited by Jr.Koh: Mar 3 2010, 03:53 AM

any ppl with fortis here?

@6.5K either get Jean Richard or add more ### and get the omega co-axial!!!!!!
get Oris + Ball both end up entry level, double the cost of servicing.
check around, hope this yr increase didn't happen yet.

haha... Zenith... manufacture.. I will tell U, I like anything that is manufacture!!!! always eyeing on the next inhouse movement. not that inhouse is always better. but so far swiss/German inhouse movement did perform better (when its done right)
El Primero is a famous movement too, was in Rolex Daytona for a number of yrs. Today in Tag's most expensive chrono on the market.
Zenith didn't really win the Chrono race, its complex.. there is long article on watchtime.com on it.

in fact many manual wind manufacture are fun to watch.
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2003_06...2003_06_042.pdf

not the kind that would pay unmod movement at a premium price if i can find something not so branded ( or known by everyday ppl) with the same inside and design I like. don't even care if no one notice what I am wearing.

Sinn makes good watches. alot of technology going into making a watch.

in fact VC do allow U to walk into the swiss office and design a complete watch to your liking.. so long U are willing to part with US$100K and up.
they will even make extra parts for future repairs or servicing.

somehow Longines is under appreciated in this part of the world. Read Longines CEO interview, Longines is big in Europe (esp France).

love those PVD watches, some models listed with retail price.
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2008_05/WT_0508_162.pdf

a nice but old article on affordable complications.
http://www.watchtime.at/archive/wt_2005_03...2005_03_104.pdf

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Added on March 3, 2010, 8:16 amso much diamonds and still US$1995! thats cheap!
unlike the prev posted.. min starts around US$6K and still no diamonds.


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 3 2010, 08:16 AM

For those of you interested to buy watches in Euro currency (especially Stowa, Steinhart, Archi), you probably know the Euro is slightly weakened as compared to RM...
price of a Stowa now is about RM100 cheaper than end of last year..

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Added on March 3, 2010, 9:18 am....you read my mind!
but getting Oris and Ball together also meant having 2 watches ..haha

then there's headache of going for the present co-axial in the Planet Ocean...or the 8500...?

This post has been edited by nando: Mar 3 2010, 09:29 AM

today I think Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra got the 8500 movement, with time maybe u see it in more models.
then again with time... prices go up too!!!

are U the kind who love 10 3K watches vs 1 30K watch?


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 3 2010, 09:32 AM

interesting question....any watch lover should go for the 30k single piece..

but love has limits...For me..while i wont hesitate to go for a decent 4-5k swiss made instead of several RM300 watches...i will ask myself 1000000 times before choosing a single 30K piece or spread my money on several pieces...

I do admit that while i love watches and am thrilled by them, i am not really a die hard collector...

still bound economically by monthly commitments i guess..

This post has been edited by nando: Mar 3 2010, 10:26 AM

everyone is bounded by economically and by monthly commitments (family, house mortgage, etc etc).
anyway my pt is are U the kind who will get a few entry level swiss made watches (oris, Ball, Tag etc) or a mid Lux watch (Omega, Cartier)
RM300 a bit too extreme here.. a few 3-5 RM3-4k over 1 RM12-20K.



die hard collector would have brunch off to vintage watches and collect a certain type of watches.
I have see a die hard collector showing me a tin box filled with military style watches, some cheap like those Hamilton others a JLC/IWC. all no strap just case and further more free to bang at each other. that really wow me.

interesting pyramid there..

yes, everyone has monthly commitments...but not everyone can easily fork out >10 k for a watch in a blink...there is this thing about having the $$$$ and yet not having the `yes feeling' to buy.
Interestingly.....I have 2 friends whose wallets can afford 10-15k watches...one will not hesitate to spend it while the other will keep on asking if money can be spent for kids ballet +tennis class, smart schools, a larger LCD tv for whole family to watch...etc..
So both love watches, both have commitments, both have almost same economical strength....



as regard to your question...i think the answer depends on situation....
I think i'll probably go for a mid lux watch once or twice in coming years (unless i strike lottery la or a very very good out of universe deal comes in)...and i like to link it with a meaningful event....To me..that is one of the most beautiful thing about a time piece....something that correctly represent a significant event in life....

I love the Omega Planet Ocean for many reasons...and am thinking about going for it at end of year...(looking forward to an important event in my life...)....problem is the JR 1665 was advertised since early Feb...and at RM 6.4k..it looks like a good deal...

so..what about you? a single Zenith or perhaps 1-2 lesser ones? all the time?

This post has been edited by nando: Mar 3 2010, 10:47 AM

pyramid taken from http://www.europastar.com/europastar/searc...t_id=1003545084
sorry forget to cite the source.

me family and kids come 1st.. watch is last on my list. perhaps the next watch I'll get is a Rolex Datejust for my spouse. Need to replace her oris.

alot of watches can me on collectorstime for super long time. Econ bad how many ppl do drop $$ like no one biz.

me? I always wanted Omega Seamaster James bond blue to replace my old Tag.. but in the end I still got my Zenith Defy Pwr res.
me no love for cartier. Chopard maybe just the LUC collection!! all inhouse movement, plus if they every improve the movement your watch will get the improvement when u take it in for servicing. thats service!

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Added on March 3, 2010, 8:10 pmqns: thats a hard qns, too board.

qns 2: I think cause not many brands out there make ladies watch at this price range. either a Rolex, Zenith, Ulysse Nardin, Perrelet.. non traditional perhaps?

qns 3: confuse? just go with your heart and what u could afford.

qns 4: ML does come with chrono. pontos collection is the entry level.. ML 112 based 7750.

another black on black watch. not PVD but black ceramic.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=358171
http://watches.infoniac.com/pontos-chronog...full-black.html


a pic of the ML 112, not much decoration compare to those in masterpiece collection. U just missed the big 50% sale event off their masterpiece.
http://watch-happening.blogspot.com/2009/0...oix-pontos.html


This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 3 2010, 08:15 PM

@khopl

Hi bro, can let me know what price for Oris BC4 after your visit on the weekend?
Would like to know the actual figure. Thanks

@patryn33

Oh bro thanks for all the queries. Appreciate it
I was asking the price for both watches
-Maurice Lacroix
-Longines GrandeVitesse

This ML 112 based 7750 does looks good. But i would like something round

Very knowledgeable Hierarchy chart, so where does Oris stand? High-Middle or High-End?

Btw, Im planning to get for my "Once a life time Event" too

P/s: Can i know where can i get the best deal for Oris/Tag at KL/Pj area? Probably with good customer service.

Thanks

This post has been edited by terencetoo: Mar 3 2010, 11:20 PM

Guys, come and guess what is the watch that worth HKD1Mil



GEORGE TOWN (March 3, 2010): The MCA has denied reports that a watch presented to its president Datuk Seri Ong Tee Keat during a function here on Monday night was worth HK$1 million (RM440,000), and stressed that it only cost about RM6,000.

Penang MCA Wanita chief Tan Cheng Liang said the misunderstanding arose when the watch, presented by the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship (FGBMF) during a dinner it had organised with the MCA, was alluded by the master of ceremony as being symbolically worth HK$1 million "as it carried as much love".

"I feel very sad that the whole event we had organised, with its themes of community service and nation-building, was not reported, but the papers chose to zoom in on this false price-tag," she said when contacted today.

Tan said she had called FGBMF for an explanation as soon as the reports came out about the purported HK$1 million value of the watch.

She said the watch given to Ong had a biblical inscription on it, and the announcer had said it carried so much love and importance that if it were to be made in Switzerland it would be worth HK$1 million.

"It was not even a branded watch," she said, adding that she herself received a watch, which she described as being "ordinary".

"We are very upset," she added. "The presentation of the watches was not even in the programme, but was done in an impromptu manner."

She stressed that both Ong and the organisers were caught unawares by the unwarranted media glare.

"How can they twist this and sensationalise the whole issue?" she said.

The watches were presented during the function which saw a gathering of 4,000 people from 200 churches in the north, at the Penang International Sports Arena (PISA), in conjunction with Chinese New Year.

Ong has said the watch he received was not a personal gift but was presented in the name of MCA.

He said a watchmaker from Hongkong, who had provided the watch, had explained that he was touched by the MCA’s commitment in pursuing the Port Klang Free Zone debacle. -- theSun

The source: http://www.thesundaily.com/article.cfm?id=43964

i fully agree with your observations of Tag Heuer. I guess if the fact that it is way way way common doesn't bother you, it doesn't really matter. it does bother me though. buying a car..not much choice..limited by price bracket.. a watch..you have lots of choices in every price bracket. my personal take. btw I don't mean to imply Tag is no good, just that IMHO you get way more watch with a Ball at the same price.

some buy watches to appreciate the in-house movement.. instead of having the common ETA heart ticking across so many watches from across the range.. but based on feedback of owners of both the IWC Portuguese Chronograph with IWC specified 7750 is way more accurate when compared to the Portuguese Automatic with in-house movement. (likewise we buy automatic cause its automatic, if its for the accuracy we'd all be wearing Quartz).

cheap is one thing..but its a hello kitty ..btw whats the street price on an omega co-axial? the SM or PO.. chronometer james bond look one.
Sinn watches.. its simple..but somehow it doesn't appeal to me.. I tried to appreciate it, looking at lots of various pictures..but just not my type of watch.

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Added on March 4, 2010, 1:13 amOris is a level below Longines and ML..IMHO..I would consider Oris as entry level.. 1 step above, Longines and ML on par with Tag... but below Omega..that being said however..I feel its not that vital.. a more expensive Oris would be more refined than a cheap Tag..in most cases you do get what you pay for..buy the watch you like. I would pick the Oris BC4 over the Tag Carrera Chrono..because of the watch itself.. not the brand, or price.. I can imagine patryn33 say.. both watch..other than looks and the brand stamped on it..same what! 7750 ma!!

This post has been edited by Jason: Mar 4 2010, 01:17 AM

well... it could still mean the workers working on IWC Portuguese Chronograph (IIRC its a heavily mod 7750) is doing a better job regulating the watch than those working on Portuguese Automatic (calibre 5000) with in-house movement. diff ppl meant they wear it differently. a small sample size does not prove anything. diff btw +1 and +3 isn't that big of a deal anyway. so long its constantly do so.
http://people.timezone.com/msandler/Articl...000/Review.html

likewise those ppl who claim watch XYZ is within COSC specs, iirc I read a guru post stating its a empty claim. to be strict COSC U got to test in various positions and varies temp... and yada yada.. heck its a forum, just take it as pinch of salt.

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Added on March 4, 2010, 8:29 amML 112 is found in something round. Didn't the pic on the movement in a round case?
as for rect/square watch is for those looking for a PVD.

Oris is like a Louis Erard. maybe alittle better than Hamilton.

my love still goes out to Guinand if one seeks a good value for $$ 7750. Helmut Sinn founder of Sinn owns it today. love the philosophy of keeping prices down!
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.ph...ghlight=guinand
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=158528

Maurice Lacroix which range? pontos Chronographe Valgranges ? retail ~RM$15.5k
Longines Grande Vitesse (on rubber/leather) retail ~RM$8k.
somehow I find Longines Spirit kinda cool, i heard this line is discontinued.

I think something like this also no bad. ~rm$13k, for some reason gray market is letting it go at 50%. maybe NOS.


PVD lovers! HAMILTON KHAKI X-MACH on 44mm case cheap retailing ~RM$6.5k also on 7750.


LOUIS ERARD La Sportive Classique. 42mm case. ~RM$9K retail



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 4 2010, 10:06 AM

post 2007, IWC buys complete movements from ETA built to "IWC specifications"..whatever that means.. because ETA is cutting down ebauche shipments and looks to phasing it out...this is confirmed by IWC themselves.

COSC doesn't mean much these days..the test is done on the movement, without the case, dials, hands etc. and only means that this movement, at one point in time, was able to perform within these specs. doesn't mean it will not vary beyond. it also means that non-COSC movements isn't able to perform to the specs, it just didn't took the test.

the Hammy is nice..rm6.5k is cheap. I like the Jazzmaster Maestro DD.. a little bit of IWC chrono feel.
btw the ML 112, round full black one, what's the street price? ML prices seems to be jacked up, and then they give you massive discounts if you're lucky.

by the way.. you guys got any suggestion? I'm looking to get a Ball HC Spacemaster (non-xlume).. ~rm6.5k, anything interesting at that price level to give the Ball a run for the money?

This post has been edited by Jason: Mar 4 2010, 10:40 AM

In bold can provide a link to the post?

ETA move on supplying ebauche is a known fact. iirc ETA did officially release this new. no need IWC to confirm that.

interesting read on IWC for those interested. interesting, even if ETA don't sell ebauche, but complete movement. other watch company are still welcome to buy and mod them! its like Stowa buying complete movement and still take the time to tear them apart, go thru their internal inspection and then reassembling it back. U would think it would be easier to by ebauche, cut the time of having to take it apart,
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=256887

COSC didn't mean much even in the past. LOL...

ya.. ML seem to have increased the retail price.. but end up giving steep discount.. maybe can find 30%+ off!

the ML Pontos Chronographe Sport Full Black. maybe retailing ~RM$12K
http://www.sibaritissimo.com/maurice-lacro...ort-full-black/



Jazzmaster Maestro? like this??? the back of a unmod, undecorated 7750 behind Hamilton.
I still find the unmod blue screws, gold plated 7750 on Guinand darn pretty. price wise pretty close. if u can get on a super discount like I did for my Hamilton Khaki chrono then thats different case. btw I paid only ~RM$1.8K.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=158528



This post has been edited by patryn33: Mar 4 2010, 11:36 AM