get a used Bell and Ross lah.. better deal. new around US$3K from grey market.
spend so much money to get a unMod ETA 2892 movement.
http://www.collectorstime.com/bell-ross.php

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Added on July 14, 2009, 5:41 amfor $2-3K, try Debaufre Triton
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=275708
or a hamilton Frogman
http://www.thewatchery.com/Hamilton/Watche...avy_Frogman/Men

cheapest swiss movement, globemaster or corsair.
http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/globemaster.html
http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/corsair.html

have a Khaki Chrono, for hamilton get those armed with a ETA 77XX movement.
plenty of good deals on the ebay. IIRC best deal is from a Singapore seller.

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Added on July 14, 2009, 5:46 amSeiko!
Nautica, not lucky its a China movement. at best its a jap movement by Citizen.

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Added on July 14, 2009, 5:49 amGoogle is your friend!

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Added on July 14, 2009, 5:53 amquartz watch can tahan a long time. just make sure U service it every 3yrs (battery change).
just that sometime after battery change, watch somehow not running. easily cost me $300 to perform a full service from AD.
My Tag has been running for over 15yrs.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 14 2009, 09:27 AM

serivce interval is 4-5yrs.
charges varies from brand, complications, AD or private watch maker.

eg: a rolex can cost $1000 to get it service thru AD.
doing it outside thru a private watch maker perhaps just 200, if U trust his work.

if your watch has a normal ETA heart, its easy to get work done in a private watch maker.
otherwise U might wanna go back to AD.

if I were U, I will get a watch maker and open the back to see the movement.
Omega plenty of fake around. Not like its a 1960s vintage.

if its a real watch, no box no papers... resale value very low.
my take is get the retail value and give it a good 75% down from there. Thats how much it worth if U do sell it to preown. (if the watch does have plenty of scratches, U are losing more value)

wouldn't that will just show the case is genuine, to be real sure best crack the nut open!

any shop will do.
ya.. max U can bring in is RM3K. if U sell it to pre-own shop usually the price U get is lower. they always claim they need to do some servicing and that cost them money.

this Econ, if U are selling lower no problem getting a buyer. else no gurantee man!
if I were U, if its real and U don't need that RM3K today, keep it and wear it!
wait a few yr when the Econ bounce back then consider selling it, might fetch a better price.

true, but don't expect Omega to reply your email in 3 days.
I had email Zenith to check serial number and it took a good mth!
finding a watch maker is much faster!

skinny person?
shape don't matter! size/dimensions matter!
round but diameter is at 45mm and thickness is 12mm vs 37mm and thickness of 7mm.

cube? where to find? U know what cube means? all sides same length! power ranger watch?

U got to get treated leather, they don't stinks...
ANONIMO leather straps are found in many of their diver watches.
special patent processing method to let leather endure sweat and harsh sea water.
then again they cost alot! very much depends on how much U are paying.

very practical person! why drive a BMX if a Proton can also take U from place A to B! better yet, public transport can do that already!
Why big house, waste Electric on Air Con.. esp when when sleeps only take up so much space.

I say better yet don't need a watch! just use your mobile! No need to sync time even when u go overseas. provider will update it for it!

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Added on July 20, 2009, 1:47 amCongrats on your Oris purchase!
yes they only produce automatic watches, in the past its 100% ETA today to lower the cost of manufacturing they getting Sellita movement.
Nothing wrong with that, patent on ETA 2428 expired and Sellita is making the same movement branding it SW 200.

my Dad wore a Oris big crown complication (moonphase) great watch.
just make sure U oil/clean the movement every 4-5yrs!

what here missed is Epos! They make only mechanical watches, plenty of display back. for higher range even have blue screws!
price range is decent, in Southeast Asia, there is only Malaysia has a distributer!
found a online dealer base off in KL http://www.orolus.com/epos.shtml


those fallen in love with blue screws, for a great deal try Stowa. They do not make many watches. Do need to order 1st and wait for mths to get a watch!
http://www.stowa.com/

other brands that are overlooked... Louis Erard (discount these days range from 30-50%), JeanRichard.. many AD clearly old stock giving as high as 65% discount to make way for their inhouse JR1000 movement. grey market can even find it go as high as 80%!

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Added on July 20, 2009, 2:07 amwhen u go for guess, fossil etc..
do look at the back of the watches.. if they did not state movement from where.. most likely its China!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 20 2009, 02:21 AM

1) only if u are familar with brands and products. Who will tell U flat out its out dated!

2) no way to accurately find that out too. back of watch only tell U so much. if its swiss/jap movt.. if nothing welcome CHINA!
not all China are bad, I only like seagull watches, maybe the best brand there. However they have quality issue. must buy from reliable dealer.
This is the only 1 I know http://www.usseagull.com/

to learn about chinese stuff try here
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=146865

other brands like Kenneth cole, Alpha, Trias that contain a chinese movement.
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=207787

seeking a affordable watches, should try www.pmwf.com many ppl looking for reliable watches

3) depends on product lah. thats common sense. U are comparing apple and orange! new Proton vs 20yr old BMW???

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 21 2009, 03:26 AM

U should read this! for me if its at 50% off get a inhouse movement montblanc nicolas rieussec!!! not some mod movement.
according to the reading below the steel on alligator strap retails at US$9700, and full steel bracelet at us$10K.
display back U can see how pretty is the movement compared to a valjoux 7750! a usual timewalker chrono on leather retails at around us$6K. I wonder if those on valjoux 7750 have blue screws! for such expensive watch I kinda demand blue screws.
http://www.iwmagazine.com/uploads/pdfs/december%202008.pdf

montblanc nicolas rieussec review!! even its steel white, still a beauty!
http://home.watchprosite.com/show-nblog.post/ti-423921/

some read on Timewalker Chrono u should read
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=102179
http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=200610

a timewater GMT Chrono review
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2008_05/WT_0508_170.pdf

watches running on valjoux 7750.
http://www.chronomaddox.com/valjoux_7750_engine.html



This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 21 2009, 10:12 PM

I thought your bonus big big man! aiming for a timewalker chrono retail in already US$6k, thats why I said add us$4K and hit the nicolas rieussec.
50% US$3k vs US$5K not much diff and U are getting a lot more from a watch.

if U are aiming for RM$10-13K then is like US$3.7K. can only get u time walker day (no chrono leh), entry level watch. also running on a Mod ETA workhorse. no Display back.
just paying for brand only. mont blanc also moving towards making all inhouse movement in the near future aiming to move up the lux ladder.
http://www.watchseller.com/motibigda.html


or shop grey market, can definately get more than 50% discount!
this Maurice Lacroix Master Reserve De Marche retails US$4200 now at US$1690. (its manual winding)
http://www.collectorstime.com/new-watches.php

Perrelet is a expensive brand (brand that invented automatic watch), a manufacture all inhouse movement.
U can only afford the entry level watch.
3 Hands Date retails US$2690. I like the design Ref A1000/5 black face. U can only find a pic on webby.
pretty low production if I recall correctly. only 1 place carry this brand.
http://www.perrelet.com/fr/
neither not here nor there, might as well get a higher end of a mid range brand like longines. also uses ETA.
Can easily afford a Master power reserve, Chrono, GMT! at least with 1 complication and does have blue hands. dress watch like timewalker i dig blue! I rather go for a Power Reseve Indicator, U get to use it for freq than Chrono, GMT.
http://www.authenticwatches.com/longines-m...n-bracelet.html
bad thing with longines, movement are not decorate very nicely. Do have display back.
http://www.prestigetime.com/item/Longines/...666.4.78.3.html

or an Omega with co-axial escapement. don't have to service watch so often pretty much like every 10yrs. (can screw the display back in this case!)
u do know most watches do need servicing every 4-5yrs. regular ETA with time, day. date maybe cost $200-300, complications cost more $$ and longer time.

of course inhouse movement also means U can only get parts thru AD, servicing cost maybe higher if require part change.

http://www.watchtime.com/2009/07/world-wat...-online-trends/
This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 22 2009, 09:55 AM

expensive taste..
I love inhouse movement.. blue screws... but the movement kinda plain.. not much engraving going on. very true to German style like A. Lange & Sohne, GLASHUTTE ORIGINAL and Nomos, still waiting to find out more on GLASHUTTE UNION. read they also use inhouse but they only sell their watches in 3 European countries and do not do any internet sales!

anyway, prices start at RM 18K at retail? saw online on watchbuys prices starts around US$3.5K.

prices always go up.. JLC reverso was my dream when I was 20yrs old.. saw it in SG cost only SG$1.5K today I suppose around SG$5K after discount loh..
anyway, 1 fine day U will see your dream come true! I saw mine on my wrist.. a little JLC reverso duo day/nite.. an upgrade from my 1st dream watch. LOL

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Added on July 25, 2009, 6:55 amOris 635 7595 41 94 MB NEW ORIS WILLIAMS F1 TEAM DAY DATE MENS WATCH??
get online! just need to be extra careful and check reviews on watchnet, watchuseek etc.

these ppl might be able to help
http://www.friendsoforis.com/forum/index.php?showforum=1

or I heard Oris in SG is cheaper than internet grey market deals. if U can afford to drop by.. can get 1 there!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 25 2009, 07:38 AM

hey at least u have bonus, I have none! else I would have gotten a JLC Atmos Clock

I knew they are part of the swatch group. Glashutte Union is kinda in the lines of Omega..
To carry on the Glashütte name, I doubt they are getting ETA movement from swiss. Maybe heavily mod those movement.
or maybe like Longines, getting exclusive movement from ETA (like the new retrograde watches). Leverage on their R&D and manfact.
at least I would think they would leverage swatch distrubtion network, but still they only sell in 3 European countries.
zero online except chrono24.com

anyway.. their movement according to swatch
http://www.swatchgroup.com/en/services/arc...the_collections


BTW: Did U get the <BULK> Rolex deal? 2% on top of regular discount.. does it come with AD stamp?

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Added on July 25, 2009, 7:52 pmthanx for sharing the history of Dornblueth! alot of mechanical movement in that region seem to share the same style. the reason I say its plain, cause some swiss manufacture will engrave the 3/4 plate. So at 1st glance to me it appeared plain.

Grand Seiko? the price pt also along the lines with Dornblueth. Bonus big big man! plain 1 already 280K yen b4 tax.. of course can get discount, and siam tax! add a date display the price jump so much! love their spring drive!
http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/collection...tml?pid=STGF059
my in law wears a gold credor!

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Added on July 25, 2009, 11:19 pmCan try jap watch...
Oriental Watch (usually cheaper than seiko), seiko 5 lower end but a bargain!
http://www.pmwf.com/Watches/WATCHSALES/Sei...eSalesTable.htm

certain russian watches also cheap, might have to up budget a little to get cool ones like the below.
of course U can find those priced at rm340.
http://www.russia2all.com/russian-watches-under-200-p2/



just steel, with date.. should be no problem, vostok Europe usually pretty good deal
http://www.smirs.com/advanced_search_resul...&sort=2a&page=2

an American brand with a Swiss heart.
http://www.bernhardtwatch.com/chronograph.html

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 26 2009, 12:52 AM

another 1-2K more can own a Dornblueth on Calibre 99.0 man! still so humble and say Dornblueth unattainable. U looking for the regulator or those complications?

not sure if U read this IWC vs Dornblueth 99.1 review
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2006_0...2006_02_058.pdf

this is on Dornblueth 99.2.. power reserve
http://www.watchbizz.com/archive/wt_2005_0...2005_02_068.pdf

I have to agree GQ is bad!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 26 2009, 05:53 AM

SWATCH BODY AND SOUL AUTOMATIC SKELETON.. around 560-600
BTW: its not kinetic, it a automatic.. there are difference between the 2 technology.

automatic use a spring, of course they aren't as accurate as quartz kinetic. do lose/gain some sec every 24hrs. don't wear for 2 days and watch stop
kinetic use a capacitors/battery.. changing kinetic energy to electric to power the watch. older kinetic watches do have problems with capacitors cannot retain energy.

not the entry level 99.0. ... 99.1 more expensive by a good US$600. not found a brand that is keeping prices low.
if Seiko don't jack up prices as fast might as aim for a 99.1. the longer U wait, the dream seem to go further away. Today, I doubt salary increase is that fast.
http://www.watchbuys.com/store/pc/viewPrd....82&idcategory=0

not seen much pre-own Dornblueth around. can pt me to a site where they have them?

Darn! U restore the movement! I also wanna learn some basics. there is a school near by that teach entry level watchmaking upon completing can apply for the Rolex Diploma program. Still trying to find out how to enroll.
was reading around, some started using a China Unitas 6497 (Asian 6497).
timezone has a online school program.. care to share how U learn? that I really have no idea.

FYI: Chopard LCU is working on a 10Hz Escapement out of silicon. double Zenith El Primero.
I love Ranftt site, tons of vintage watches and movements.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 2:55 amdon't be confuse.. ask and I will try my best to explain.
if automatic watch stop, U can wind the crown and it will start movement.
A light shake will start it.

An Kinetic watch, the battery should keep the watch running for a longer period of time.

A Swatch watch, expect Standard Grade movement, so expect it to gain/lose a max of 12 secs every 24hrs.
Kinetic quartz.. maybe 1 mth 1-5 secs (didn't check just on top of my head).

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Added on July 27, 2009, 4:18 amOuch! U and andrew1st may have a nice generation gap. young ppl today wants a watch that is complex, have the wow factor.
In fact my best friend also think such watches are cool.. gave him a Atlantic Vintage 1960s watch don't really appreciated mechanical.
still fancy a quartz watch pack with features, perpetual calander, power reseve, date/day etc.
today plenty of ppl in Uni wants brand! rather get a cartier, Tag.. ppl will recong


This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 27 2009, 04:18 AM

yes, u can! don't mind a few/dozen more. u're welcome to ask.

not seen a fake swatch. I don't thinking buying on ebay is a problem. IIRC I bought my swatch Irony on ebay, till this day its still good.
buying on ebay, no gurantee. cheapest 1 I saw is US$139 + shipping.
do note, its plastic do scratch easily. need to buy PolyWatch Scratch Remover to remove scratches.

u're a nice gf! he is lucky guy!

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 27 2009, 07:08 AM

<<< Im happy and proud that I own a TAG Heuer and would like to own a Patek 10 years down the road when i am 33..>>>
at 23 already can afford RM19K watch.. target not too far away man!

Congrads! Zenith do make good watch. although some ppl do love vintage Zenith.

worth RM 18.8K??? hmm the way I see it expensive. On a good day in States, some outlet do let them go at 50-70% discount!
of course is surplus stock and out dated model.
2 issue with Zenith is mainly cost associated
1) Problem with Zenith is they change the design freq, thus do not bring high resale value.
not going to sell it, sure at RM 18.8K why not.
if dare to risk it, surf around there are reliable grey market places to get better deal maybe at RM 16K or lower.
2) El Primero is a pretty complex movement, few watchmaker can do a good job. U'll have to pay a premium to get it done right with the AD.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 10:16 pmits steel bracelet with a plastic face.

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Added on July 27, 2009, 10:25 pmOops... late 20s.. I still think late 30s! U are the few that thinks this way man.

Jean-Frédéric Dufour is Moroccan? don't know his style.. didn't he come from Chopard.
I still thought Thierry Nataf is the flamboyant guy.

This post has been edited by patryn33: Jul 27 2009, 10:30 PM