You sir, is a well-learned Beast; I wonder if you're the real Dr. McCoy, the world authority on biochemistry and genetics?
jk jk

I guess Mr. Ridley (Ripley) Scott and Lindelof wanted to simplify the science for majority of us, laymen. (iinm, the other writer originally intended this movie to be a direct prequel of 1979's Alien. Those former two, are the one who wanted to expand the creationist part, while Lindelof advise the prequel(s) to be ambiguous...his expertise). Maybe it's their take on the earth's primodial soup (could've made it hot boiling lava, but water comes to mind when talking about life) and the external ingredient needed to trigger the creation of life (other theories being, extra-terrestrial objects e.g. meteor, bringing the source of life to Earth)...heheh.

Well Dr. Henry Philip McCoy (in fiction) is not a world authority, any established science authority need a commitee of many members. I'm however, a doctorate in the same field as the fictional Dr. McCoy.... the real McCoy, pun intended.

It's a shame that X-Men 1/2/3, First Class, XO: Wolverine ... all commit worst offences..just make the movies so much less enjoyable.

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jun 15 2012, 05:09 PM

I'm glad I'm not so anal about scientific theories in movies or I wouldn't have enjoyed movies like Star Wars, Avatar, Transformers, Star Trek etc

the origins of how the aliens exist - prometheus

Also 3% CO2 is not toxic where you'll last only a few minutes... but you can survive hours (or days) ... you may have chest muscles fatigue/dizziness/headache though but not death.

Only at exceeding 5% is where it's truly toxic.

^5 sec google search.

A simple O2 generator/filter from the 21% O2 environment just to increase the O2 percentage and they can stay out as long as they want. Ordinary or simple gas mask will do. Pandora (Avatar's) environment was even more hostile.

Again poor writing without research.

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jun 15 2012, 07:59 PM

I pity you if you think these frivolities affect your enjoyment of movies.

Plus any way you cut it, Prometheus is more science fiction (remember the fiction part?) than The Avengers will ever be. You had to be joking with that comment.

apparently david has a neck for quoting from the movie "Lawrence of the Arabia", not just the one line "The trick William Potter is not minding that it hurts"

but also
"There is nothing in the desert and no man needs nothing"
and
"Big things have small beginnings"


An observation by some people (i know we dont really dig old movies or have the opportune to be exposed to such), but after a fair amount of reading, noting that not only david "qoutes"; he also fashion to look like peter o'toole as in the beginning of the movie where we see david spends his time watching old movies, researching languages, lots of reading, watching human dreams, playing solo basketball for about 2 years while the crew were cryosleeping.

Read a blog entry, this is what she thought of it ;
Click Link: The-trick-william-potter-is-not-minding-that-it-hurts < interesting observation.

Now, did david (the andriod) who-has-no-soul is able to 'decide' or is able to make choices, independent from as what is is progammed or told by the crew/weyland (btw since we know his 'god' is peter weyland). an interesting concept ridley puts forth.

what we know of *Thomas Edward Lawrence.


Link above: what this writer says of david



IF david is able to rehearse & quotes from "lawrence of arabia", he should by then able to act out/carry out the act to taking man's life (holloway) as there is a qoute in that (LOA) movie








While we all are debating what elizabeth or charlie or vickers, janek should have more role time. the pivotal character to me is (pretty much) david.

And, david apparently choses to keep 'elizabeth' cross, given reasons of "contamination", yet he chooses to keep in his pocket and not quarantined. what is his reason to do so.

How he chooses (if at all he can make choices independently), his obsession on humans (shaw dreams), on why "he appears" disdained at times by their choices yet could not comprehend shaws obsession on her choice to not return back to earth but seek where engineers come from.



There are far more than meets the eye with this movie. Some may say, nuts like us are making mountains of a mole hill, but i assure you, Prometheus IS everything that has been hyped about.

I dont know if this will spark debates close to nolan's concept of level of dreams (inception the movie), though i find this far, far more appealing in many levels.




this is what david's dialogue in the viral movie







sidenote: *Thomas Edward Lawrence is not a fictional character but the movie Lawrence Of Arabia is of OF him.

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Another observation, i don't know if someone notice or brought it up before this.

The ship in the beginning of the movie where we see an Engineer is sacrificed drinking the black goo IS different from the crescent shaped engineer ship that was tasked to travel to (destroy) earth as was told by david & the info relayed to shaw.

This post has been edited by koolspyda: Jun 16 2012, 03:26 AM

Ya, read about that in imdb board ... if only they'll just change the 3% to 5% ... then again, as long as the point is made, sometimes I'll just have to suspend belief in order to enjoy sci-fi movies more ... else I'll be nick-picking on every factual errors.

However, movies that categorized themselves in the sci-fi genre, are assumed to have scientific basis, else they can be called fantasy. The Avengers is a comic-book movie ... not sci-fi.
Having said that, I guess it all depends on individual movies, ... those we don't like, we'll nick-pick the goofs; those that we like, we'll ignore the errors.

That sir, is deep analyzation .... before the movie Lawrence of Arabia, T.E. Lawrence's writings are quite influential at as well ... at least in western worlds.

Any android/synthetic beings trying to be more human in films, I can't help but to compare with Spock or Data; which is of equal but not more importance than Captain Kirk or Jean-Luc Picard, respectively.

Regarding the spacecraft in the beginning, now that you've mentioned it, ya ... it's more saucer-shaped than the crescent derelict spacecraft that we've known.

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One aspect/'weakness' of the film I'm glad that have been discussed elsewhere:-

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200425162?p=1

Is it possible that the crew were intended to be stupid and incompetent?

Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
(with att. to koolspyda who like the character David the most ... )



Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!)

Hence they want to explain god (something no one can scientifically prove) and throw out all scientific basis (even the most basic) and yet use it in the visuals of the movie .. That's bad/lazy writing.

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jun 16 2012, 11:17 AM

I guess Prometheus has enough basis to be called a sci-fi movie. If not, then movies like Star Wars is even worse, super dumb, no scientific basis at all. But we still call it sci-fi.

Of all the problems the movie has, why would anyone pick on an insignificant frivolity like how some alien/higher being's DNA managed to create life? Hell, the image of the DNA in the title sequence may just as well have been simply a symbolism of creation. Why be so literal?

BeastX, do you really consider The Avengers as science fiction? I just can't wrap my head around that idea...

Most of Marvel's characters (except probably Thor's) are based on Science Fiction or some scientific basis was used to explain their powers... as thought out/designed by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby.

as opposed to Batman being primary a detective/thriller and Superman that has all the power under the Sun just on the basis of him being an Alien (SciFi on the verge of Fantasy).

So yes Avengers' SciFi... even with Thor, they attempted to put Science to fantasy, not very good at that but good enough that it does not pull you out/affect the Lore by much.

wow bro you must be bored watching scifi

I'd would not say bored.... It just makes it less enjoyable.... Avatar and Avengers were great....

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jun 16 2012, 02:54 PM

can i know what field of study u were in ?

Wait wait... so this is a movie that intentionally makes everything look badly written so as to somehow achieve whatever Ridley Scott / the writers intended to achieve (the whole God-creator thing)?

Wow. Seriously? Is this a new era where "supposedly bad films" are actually good but ONLY IF you do your homework and a whole lot of reading? WTH...

I can't accept this, perhaps others can. If a movie is not good then it probably is. When you leave the cinema, that's it. How you feel after leaving your seat is what the movie experience had on yourself. Simple.... and for me, it was not really that great.

I'm still very active in the field... refer to my avatar.

Hmm you must hate Star Wars right? Since it's scientifically dumb so the movies should be pretty dumb too.

I don't believe Star Wars ever used science to explain their universe... The most prominent thing is the Jedi power. All the technologies were as is.... the most faulty thing would be laser pew-pew and explosions sound in Space, same thing with the nuclear explosion in Space of Avengers... Then again there could be an atmosphere at Chitauri's space...

This post has been edited by BeastX: Jun 16 2012, 06:09 PM