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Movies The ALIEN Movies Thread, Prometheus 2: PARADISE LOST (2017)

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post Jun 21 2012, 08:02 PM

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 19 2012, 06:19 PM)
According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel  sad.gif
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oh pls DON'T do a sequel, it'll be a waste of time and talent

this movie is on my official list of worst movies of 2012, the no. 1 worst movie is battleship
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Jun 21 2012, 09:02 PM)
oh pls DON'T do a sequel, it'll be a waste of time and talent

this movie is on my official list of worst movies of 2012, the no. 1 worst movie is battleship
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lol


Can imagine ridley & gang returns with the sequel just to piss 'anti-prometheus' lads. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 21 2012, 09:52 PM)
lol
Can imagine ridley & gang returns with the sequel just to piss 'anti-prometheus' lads.  cool2.gif
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i am a huge fan of the original Alien, this makes me one of those 'ridley & gang' group (kinda), i just don't like Prometheus, it's a HUGE disappointment, it's probably the biggest disappointment in my 30 years of video entertainment
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QUOTE(xy2610 @ Jun 19 2012, 11:13 PM)
For a movie with a budget of $120-130 million, I guess it may have to surpass $240-250 million to greenlight a sequel.
Of course, DVD sales & merchandising could be deciding factor as well.
Hope we will see a sequel.
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Ya i don't think it did enough for a sequel, DAMN ANTI PROMETHEUS FAGS! Even if they do a sequel sure their budget won't be much and this will lead to a crap sequel. I like the show bcs it was a really good sci fi movie i saw in a long time.
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Since I see this movie as a standalone, not related at all to any previous ones, I'd want to watch a sequel... there are still answers I'd like to know.
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post Jun 22 2012, 08:38 AM

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Well, like or don't like, and like james cameron's Avatar. Myself and i guess like many was disappointed of 'that juggernaut', though their massive gross takings said otherwise rolleyes.gif )

And cameron will persist with likely another sequel to Avatar, heck he's planning a trilogy of it . with one on the works
Will i watch those? Likely not. It's a choice. I thought he did brilliantly with titanic, to others, his best was 'the abyss'.

I, myself will look fwd to the prometheus sequel (if it gets made) as i would wanna know what ridley's version to come out of the origins of the engineers, what originally happen at LV223, what the hell did words after david's..

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i'm the curious type, i'm pretty sure there are others (like us) too. I search, no i yearn for some enlightenment to those questions. so i guess Ridley & co deserves that recognition wink.gif

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post Jun 22 2012, 10:25 AM

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watch it in IMAX 3D in SG few days ago
the 3D are really stunning & beautiful
Among the best 3D after Avatar

for the story, if you watch it as a big fan of Aliens, then you'll be disappointed
but if you watch it as a sci-fi fan, then you'll be rewarded tongue.gif

My friend commented it's a trash & boring movie after coming out, he even fall asleep during the show doh.gif as he's more into of a boom boom bang bang type of movies

as for me, I'm in between the sci-fi fan and alien fan, but I've enjoyed the whole session, even afraid to blink my eyes in case I'll miss some of the beautiful scenes
seriously, this is one of the mindfcuk movie thumbup.gif
so many question to ponder upon after you left the hall thumbup.gif

<Genesis 1:27>
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2012, 11:25 AM)
seriously, this is one of the mindfcuk movie thumbup.gif
so many question to ponder upon after you left the hall thumbup.gif

<Genesis 1:27>
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.
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Not all (apparently) tongue.gif

Well, like for some who will jizz over the little-mini top spinning type of ending, or any other simpler twist/plots; easier to comprehend type of movie and ending(s).

Prometheus however gives them headaches cool2.gif

Well, at times too, i do indulge in those mindless shoot-shoot, bang-bang (the bullets, laser kind for some of the curious mind wink.gif ), and those movies that you just leave logic aside, movies cool2.gif

So there is always something for everyone. tongue.gif cool2.gif

Stopped at twilight, didn't bother with the rest
Saw 'the hunger games' too, likely won't visit its sequels


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post Jun 22 2012, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(greyshadow @ Jun 22 2012, 10:25 AM)
watch it in IMAX 3D in SG few days ago
the 3D are really stunning & beautiful
Among the best 3D after Avatar

for the story, if you watch it as a big fan of Aliens, then you'll be disappointed
but if you watch it as a sci-fi fan, then you'll be rewarded tongue.gif

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I'm a fan of the first Alien movie and I really like Prometheus. thumbup.gif

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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 22 2012, 01:10 PM)
I'm a fan of the first Alien movie and I really like Prometheus.  thumbup.gif
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good for you

I guess those dislike it is due to the lack of suspense and shock of Alien/Aliens
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post Jun 22 2012, 03:03 PM

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Aiya, stop it you two tongue.gif cool2.gif


leave those "i like it because...because it's"....."Will beat the crap off.....", "Will win thousand of awards....", "the bestest of the best",.."will win over movie X in gross takings...", "i dont care, this movie is the best, better then your one, admit it else i go tell my mother".....banter to those young fans la.

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No hard feeling tongue.gif biggrin.gif smile.gif

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It's opening week did about the same as rise of the apes and that movie gets a sequel. Really hope there is a sequel & they continue where the story ended bcs I felt it was anticlimax. Need to know what happens next & hope they start filming soon, release it by 2014...
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20 years ago I watch Alien II on my TV (video tape on VHS tape recorder/player)
I fall asleep than suddenly woke up by a strong thunder lightning......no raining but how come it got thunder lightning?
wahlou-eh, my VHS tape recorder/player got fried by the lightning and damaged. (It was connected to a roof top out door TV antenna)
It cost me RM2000 (20 years ago a top model HIFI VHS recorder/player cost RM2000).

Since after that I'm very scared of watching Alien movie.
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Does anyone noticed that most Alien movie portrait alien as a kind of very bad/evil creature.
Independence Day, Cowboys and aliens, Alien vs predator, Alien 1,2,3,4, Battleship, Prometheus....

(except movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "Avatar")

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... not forgetting District 9 (the aliens are just squatters, not really evil), E.T., Contact, the good Star Trek & Star Wars aliens, Autobots, the coming 'Teenage Alien Ninja Turtles', various other animated aliens, ... heheh.

Srsly tho, for discussion point, I guess the evil/bad aliens are normally those that want to expand their territory / get more resources / just plain nbtd evil; those good aliens are those pacifist types that adhere to Prime Directive e.g. Vulcans. i.e. they don't interfere with human race unless necessary, so that's why we don't often see them in our sci-fi films. biggrin.gif

Anyway, sorry to hear about your expensive VHS player/recorder. Those were the days ... even when VCD was cheap, I still prefer VHS coz the image quality (original ones lah, not those rented and re-recorded many times over).

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QUOTE(misakiatsuka @ Jun 23 2012, 03:40 AM)
20 years ago I watch Alien II on my TV (video tape on VHS tape recorder/player)
I fall asleep than suddenly woke up by a strong thunder lightning......no raining but how come it got  thunder lightning?
wahlou-eh, my VHS tape recorder/player got fried by the lightning and damaged. (It was connected to a roof top out door TV antenna)
It cost me RM2000 (20 years ago a top model HIFI VHS recorder/player cost RM2000).

Since after that I'm very scared of watching Alien movie.
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Does anyone noticed that most Alien movie portrait alien as a kind of very bad/evil creature.
Independence Day, Cowboys and aliens, Alien vs predator, Alien 1,2,3,4, Battleship, Prometheus....

(except movie "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" and "Avatar")
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LOL biggrin.gif your story is more mindfucuk than Prometheus.

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it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 24 2012, 12:14 AM)
it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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pretty much said it but some forumers here defended by saying they rewatch previous aliens movies (esp cameron's) and still maintain their conclusion. Sure there is no wham, bam, blazing monsters unlike aliens, but the pacing was fine by me.

I caught Prometheus again today @gsc paradigm mall. It was as how i remember it the first time, though upon watching the second time, i had more time looking at their facial expressions/clues around the screen (if any) in detail of david, shaw, vickers, weyland, janek etc.

It probably quite right to conclude that they (the engineer ship) indeed seem to bring WMD over to earth/or another system.

It's also fair to conclude that the 'engineer' probably realise 'david' wasn't human but a creation. The movie showed that one line david said (to engineer) and its probably irrelevant if the 'directors cut' include more (or not).

btw i'm a forty something old fart cool2.gif

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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 23 2012, 11:14 PM)
it's kinda funny when i stumble upon friends who didnt like prometheus bcoz of it leaving too many questions than they give answers, but loved alien. if u actually go back and watch alien again, u tell me how many questions ridley left lying around?

i tell u, it's everyone. but bcoz everyone saw alien when they were like 7-8 years old, to them it's so awesome as it freaked the bejeezus out of them. now they're like old farts, trying to find a film the really blows their mind is simply... impossible.
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Alien never shouted the questions right into our faces, what it was it a minimalistic, intimate story about how a bunch of very normal, very average people got thrown into the very deep end so to speak, and what ensued. All the stuff about the space jockeys, androids, weyland-yutani, were secondary to the main objective- that it was a space horror thriller about a brilliantly conceived and realized alien terrorizing the crew onboard a spaceship millions of miles away from earth. The acting you see is one of the most naturalistic in cinema history. Each and every one of them could have easily been one of us normal people. The secondary plots supplemented the main story and created a sense of world larger than what was shown on screen. Yet it was never at the forefront, and thus the audience never had the 'itch' to really know every single detail. That was the beauty of it.

Prometheus, on the other hand, makes those things the very core and essence of the film.

P/S: As a kid, I kinda liked Alien but never really loved it. Aliens was where my heart was... probably true for any kid.

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QUOTE(QuickFire @ Jun 24 2012, 12:27 AM)
Alien never shouted the questions right into our faces, what it was it a minimalistic, intimate story about how a bunch of very normal, very average people got thrown into the very deep end so to speak, and what ensued. All the stuff about the space jockeys, androids, weyland-yutani, were secondary to the main objective- that it was a space horror thriller about a brilliantly conceived and realized alien terrorizing the crew onboard a spaceship millions of miles away from earth. The acting you see is one of the most naturalistic in cinema history. Each and every one of them could have easily been one of us normal people. The secondary plots supplemented the main story and created a sense of world larger than what was shown on screen. Yet it was never at the forefront, and thus the audience never had the 'itch' to really know every single detail. That was the beauty of it.

Prometheus, on the other hand, makes those things the very core and essence of the film.

P/S: As a kid, I kinda liked Alien but never really loved it. Aliens was where my heart was... probably true for any kid.
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as a kid of course we are blown away by AN ARMY of aliens and the kickass, machine gun / flame throwing acting of Weaver, but after so many years and so many different kinds of movie viewing, and going back to the original Alien movie, I came up with a shocking conclusion, the original one is still the best, 'Aliens' is just a huge rip of the first one, James Cameron does what he always does best (after he ran out of ideas after doing 'The Abyss'), ripping off ppl's ideas, magnify it 10 times, ADD MORE to everything with a huge budget, and sell the film to kids / teenagers. This is what he did with Titanic, and also Avatar. And this is why his films makes so much money, because the main audience of his films don't know how to really appreciate a great movie and they don't know how hard money comes (no offense to those who likes these movies and still knows how to appreciate great movies btw)
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I much prefer Alien to Aliens, but both are great. Aliens has dated in a bad way though, while Alien has aged very gracefully (like 2001: ASO). Still, I know people who prefer Aliens whilst also recognizing the brilliance of Alien. Matter of taste, in the end. And I have nothing against James Cameron. He's a master of modern action.

What I do think is not a matter of taste or subjectivity is that saying Alien had similar questions and closure problems as Prometheus. I would argue that it's an objective fact that the much raised problems of Prometheus do not plague Alien. In Alien we had complete closure to the main thread of the story- Ripley killed the alien and survived. That is something that can't be denied. All other questions- what is the space jockey, the origins of the alien, motives of the company, were secondary to the main thread and were never intended to be answered. The questions they raise were not direct, and only served to complement the main story and give the story more depth. Like
I said, it created a living, futuristic, large universe that existed beyond what was shown on the screen. It gave depth to the story.

Ask yourself this: in Prometheus, did you get any sense of closure? The movie failed to answer any of the main questions it raised, and the questions weren't jut philosophical in nature, they were very much plot-level, and very much the core of what the film was about. It did not come as any surprise to me when I read that Ridley already had a sequel in mind when making this. That much was obvious from watching it.

That said, I eagerly await the sequel. I just do not approve of this style of filmmaking.

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