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Movies The ALIEN Movies Thread, Prometheus 2: PARADISE LOST (2017)

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koolspyda
post Jun 16 2012, 06:54 PM

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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 16 2012, 11:51 AM)
Copy pasta from an imdb post again ... me lazy, they articulate better ...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1446714/board/nest/200474498?p=1
(with att. to koolspyda who like the character David the most ...  smile.gif )
Maybe the director/writers developed their own God complex, until they ignored the minute details i.e. see the bigger picture, not just day-to-day mundane life ... (blasphemy!)  tongue.gif
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thank you, thank you.

did i not share that i equate david to Roy Batty (Rutger Hauer), blade runner? cool2.gif

that another bloody movie tht will bore the hell out of those who find holes in Prometheus movie the size of moon's craters.

i know i dont always agree, i for one found james cameron's Avatar unimaginative, in fact i think he should stick to titanic whistling.gif Fine, if it had supposedly a large scientist community consulting him etc. ok enough, dont want to go there.


i hope to catch this again in imax









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post Jun 17 2012, 09:00 AM

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Details about Prometheus 2

http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/

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The original title of the Alien prequel was Paradise before they settled on Prometheus, but Paradise has been bandied about as the possible title for the Prometheus follow-up.  It’s now clear that the “Paradise” title would refer to the home planet of humanity’s makers (ie. heaven).  As for what the home planet of the Engineers is like, Scott’s vision doesn’t sound like a happy trip

“Because [the Engineers] are such aggressive f***ers … and who wouldn’t describe them that way, considering their brilliance in making dreadful devices and weapons that would make our chemical warfare look ridiculous? So I always had it in there that the God-like creature that you will see actually is not so nice, and is certainly not God. As she says, “This is not what I thought it was going to be, and I think we should get the Hell out of here or there won’t be any place to go back to.

That’s not necessarily planted in the ground at the tail end of the third act, but I knew that’s kind of where we should go, because if we’ve opened up this door — which I hope we have because I certainly would like to do another one – I’d love to explore where the hell [Dr. Shaw] goes next and what does she do when she gets there, because if it is paradise, paradise can not be what you think it is. Paradise has a connotation of being extremely sinister and ominous.”
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“This movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”
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“It’s interesting to do a sequel because this leaves the door so open to some huge questions. The real question to me is – the more mankind discovers in science the more clear and helpful everything becomes, yet we’re very bad at managing ourselves. And one of the biggest problems in the world is what we call religion, it causes more problems than anything in the goddamn universe. Think about what’s happening now, all based on the very simple idea that a Muslim can’t live alongside a Catholic, or a Catholic can’t live alongside a Protestant…”
Deleted scene and some behind the scene photos

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http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/56463/new...gineer-and-more

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post Jun 17 2012, 09:44 AM

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actually a lot of us presumed the beginning sacrifice scene to be giving life to humanity.

ridley didn't imply it was earth (he did say it could be anywhere in the galaxy)

we don't know IF it was a sacrifice was for the creation of life, what we did see the giant engineer drank the goop, fell into the waterfall, he then appear to disintegrate, stands of the DNA appear to break up, and appear to become something else. what else? what IF it was other what we, many of us presumed (mankind)?

while ridley/lindelof did say the engineers probably created up, in the movie, shaw showed us we share the same DNA, but for not the sacrifice itself did not lend to more then the young giant engineer 'died'.

Ridley did say the engineers travel thru space, somewhat like a gardener. still, it's open to interpretation. cool2.gif

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Watched it, Like it, Would like to see what happens next.
Even though Vickers death looks like a comic relief for me.
Just don't understand what is the problem with the ending.
Aren't we supposed to be excited to see Prometheus ties with Alien? blink.gif
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post Jun 17 2012, 02:00 PM

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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 15 2012, 04:25 PM)
Well the biological aspect was definitely not being scientifically consulted...

Any biologist with the most basic credentials will point out the serious errors as presented in the movie.

1. Free flowing DNA in raging water. DNA alone does not produce life and being dispersed at such a large volume of water will bring the probability of proteins and random DNA coming together to 0%. For life to start you need shallow concentrated pools with random chemicals forming amino acids, lipids and probable nucleic acids.

2. The DNA was shown to be very short fragments (100bp or less) single stranded DNA. To be broken down to such an extend and to able to reform back to the engineers' original chromosomal sequences is again 0%. Homo sapien is not the only hominid in evolutionary history nor are humans the only animal species in the world. This relation is a fixed genetic variability can be calculated and determined.

3. The human genome (3 Gigabase haploid) is a testament of evolution, about only 2% codes for proteins and another 2% are are transcriptional involved, while the rest of the genome is yet unknown but it's safe to say for a fully functional human, a much lesser genome size can exist (probably just 20% is needed). Which is also why human as the most successful species now, does not have the largest genome in the animal kingdom. Some "lower" level fish can even have a larger genome than human. Accumulation of large non-functional regions of the genome is a testament of the evolutionary, life span, breeding frequency... etc. Because of the presumed long life span of the Engineers, their genome has to be different than human's. Even though an Engineer looks like YaoMing their genome can be/has to be different, and due to convergent evolution (as there are many examples on earth) similar characteristics/structure can exist.

4. A Eukaryotic somatic cell division was shown, this is not the first lifeforms on earth .... an argument can be made as showing further down time progression though.

Therefore Ripley Scott and the Lost script writer (and another) are out of their league. If you bring in a concept make sure you have the current science to back it up. Science fiction of old cannot be utilised now. If you don't know anything SciFi it out of your imagination shows the person's stupidity (is the best way that I can put it). This in a way is reflective/testament of the effort put in by Joss Whedon by putting SciFi and real science hand in hand that blew everyone away in the box-office (except James Cameron, another director working/consulting with the scientific community)
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When i read this it reminds me of Neil deGrasse 's Complaint on the wrong sky in Titanic.
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post Jun 17 2012, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(Uzumaki NaruTo @ Jun 17 2012, 03:00 PM)
When i read this it reminds me of  Neil deGrasse 's Complaint on the wrong sky in Titanic.
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What noooo, cameron don't make mistakes vmad.gif
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QUOTE(koolspyda @ Jun 17 2012, 09:44 AM)
actually a lot of us presumed the beginning sacrifice scene to be giving life to humanity.

ridley didn't imply it was earth (he did say it could be anywhere in the galaxy)

we don't know IF it was a sacrifice was for the creation of life, what we did see the giant engineer drank the goop, fell into the waterfall, he then appear to disintegrate, stands of the DNA appear to break up, and appear to become something else. what else? what IF it was other what we, many of us presumed (mankind)? 

while ridley/lindelof did say the engineers probably created up, in the movie, shaw showed us we share the same DNA, but for not the sacrifice itself did not lend to more then the young giant engineer 'died'.

Ridley did say the engineers travel thru space, somewhat like a gardener. still, it's open to interpretation.  cool2.gif
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well dat sparks the creation of life on earth mang....our first living organism....
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 17 2012, 09:00 AM)
“This movie has two children: One of these children grows up to be Alien, but the other child is going to grow up, and God knows what happens to them. And that’s what the sequel to Prometheus would be.”
who is the 2nd child? I know the first one is Alien, as burst out from the maker. how about the 2nd one?
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post Jun 18 2012, 09:51 AM

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The birth of Predator perhaps, hence the war between both species (AvP), while human is torn apart in the middle, hey, we're all cousins btw biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(defaultname365 @ Jun 16 2012, 03:12 PM)
Wait wait... so this is a movie that intentionally makes everything look badly written so as to somehow achieve whatever Ridley Scott / the writers intended to achieve (the whole God-creator thing)?
Wow. Seriously?  doh.gif  Is this a new era where "supposedly bad films" are actually good but ONLY IF you do your homework and a whole lot of reading? WTH... 
I can't accept this, perhaps others can. If a movie is not good then it probably is. When you leave the cinema, that's it. How you feel after leaving your seat is what the movie experience had on yourself. Simple.... and for me, it was not really that great.
I understand what you're saying about the satisfactory feeling when leaving the cinema ... however, I often believe that feeling corresponds to the expectation before entering the cinema. But let's say for casual movie-goers, who usually choose movies based on posters/movie stars and who want to enjoy the movie as standalone, without the need to consult external FAQs; I guess the feeling of being disappointed with Prometheus' scientifically 'stupid' with plenty of unanswered questions movie, is expected.

For me, I was wary of the mixed reviews before watching, so maybe that's why I could accept and shrugged off most of the minor complaints, but those 'bad writings' don't distract me from the bigger picture ... I was actually excited when the Engineer 'suited' up the Space Jockey gear; ya, the link to the 1st Alien film, however distant, is cool for me. And when I left the cinema, the movie got me thinking, made me read up more online and wanted to discuss more ... so, in that sense, it's a good movie for me; unlike some genuinely bad movies that made me wanna forget the whole thing.

A case in comparison; last weekend, I watched Synecdoche, New York (2008), the debut directorial film by the writer Charlie Kaufman who often used some scientific speculations in his screenplays. I thought based on his previous works, Being John Malkovich, Adaptation, Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Human Nature, etc., I would be sufficiently entertained even though I might not get the whole film on 1st viewing. I watched without expectation, without even looking up the ratings/review score ... halfway thru the movie, I was totally confused and then sleep-watched thru the 2nd half. When the film ended, I was like WTF did I just watched? I went on imdb, expecting low if not mixed reviews ... it has 7.2/10 on imdb, and 67 metascore. So, I'm the one that don't get the film, I guess ... after reading the FAQs, I'm was humbled ... this is one of those films that required a lot of pre-requisite knowledge before watching in order to fully enjoy it. Is this the type of serious artistic movies that shouldn't be watched for pure entertainment? I'm not sure ... those who got it wrote reviews saying that it made them laugh...it is categorized as a drama & comedy. So, can it be considered an intellectual film and is the writing too clever for average audience? I guess so ... one user review said that half the cinema audience walked out half-way. And Roger Ebert considered "Synecdoche, New York" the best film of the decade ... (of course, we don't often agree with Mr. Ebert). So, without fully understanding, I could easily dismissed the film as a bad movie. What is a bad, a good or a great movie then? That I think, is what's interesting about films made not just for casual commercial entertainment ... it could be one man's meat or another man's poison, which reflects the diversity of human minds. When one starts to feel all films are boring, then one should analyze one's jaded life. We are all still learning ... no such thing as boring if our minds aren't.

Sorry, too much thinking aloud ...

QUOTE(rastablank @ Jun 18 2012, 09:51 AM)
The birth of Predator perhaps, hence the war between both species (AvP), while human is torn apart in the middle, hey, we're all cousins btw  biggrin.gif
As mentioned before, Ridley Scott and James Cameron don't consider the AvP 'prequels' canon. Anyway, AvP could be said are more to Predator series, the xenomorph aliens are just animals to be hunted.
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QUOTE(rastablank @ Jun 18 2012, 09:51 AM)
The birth of Predator perhaps, hence the war between both species (AvP), while human is torn apart in the middle, hey, we're all cousins btw  biggrin.gif
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Yes perhaps and I would agree with you on this. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
So, I've watched Prometheus not long ago and yes, this movie is a splendid prequel. Honestly, I have not watched any films from the ALIENS franchise except Alien VS Predator (?).

At first I didn't know it is a prequel to this franchise until I read an article about it. rclxms.gif
Looking forward to Prometheus 2! (Spoilers: So that thing at the end of the movie is the alien thingy? Woah!)
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 17 2012, 09:00 AM)
Details about Prometheus 2

http://collider.com/prometheus-2-sequel/172444/
Deleted scene and some behind the scene photos

user posted image

http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/56463/new...gineer-and-more
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Waaaaa... imagine we all came from that one person Engineer DNA... hahahahaha
means that unknown Engineer that eat the black stuff is the god???

Then what created the Engineer..... interesting... hmm.gif hmm.gif
Prometheus II

So now...
Unknown species do something > Engineers species
Engineers commit sacrificial > Human mankind species
Human mankind (Elizabeth Shaw + Charlie Holloway] + Unknown Engineer > Green Aliens species
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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Jun 18 2012, 05:26 PM)
Waaaaa... imagine we all came from that one person Engineer DNA... hahahahaha
means that unknown Engineer that eat the black stuff is the god???

Then what created the Engineer..... interesting...  hmm.gif  hmm.gif
Prometheus II

So now...
Unknown species do something > Engineers species
Engineers commit sacrificial > Human mankind species
Human mankind (Elizabeth Shaw + Charlie Holloway] + Unknown Engineer > Green Aliens species
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Ok, this is confusing now. tongue.gif
I'll have to read the full plot once more since after watching this film, I still got confused somehow. rclxub.gif
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omg mindforking movie lol
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post Jun 19 2012, 06:19 PM

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According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel sad.gif
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QUOTE(Claire Farron @ Jun 19 2012, 08:19 PM)
According to wkipedia this film's box office is now at $217.9 million
Is that good or bad?

I'm so afraid that they won't green-light the sequel  sad.gif
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For a movie with a budget of $120-130 million, I guess it may have to surpass $240-250 million to greenlight a sequel.
Of course, DVD sales & merchandising could be deciding factor as well.
Hope we will see a sequel.

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post Jun 21 2012, 07:26 AM

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http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/

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What David Said to the Engineer in PROMETHEUS

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~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 21 2012, 07:26 AM)
http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/
~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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Then he should attack Peter Wyland 1st, instead of pulling David's head.
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QUOTE(Brian O'Connor @ Jun 21 2012, 09:30 AM)
Then he should attack Peter Wyland 1st, instead of pulling David's head.
Was David the nearest? I can't remember.
Or maybe it's a case of the messenger get shot first. biggrin.gif

Anyway, before this I thought David said something which made the Engineer realized that David is a creation of human being; which confirmed their intention to eradicate human race before we become more advanced than the creator. He will kill everyone, and the idea of David being a creation of their creation, made them angry ... jealous even, perhaps. Heheh ...
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QUOTE(r2t2 @ Jun 21 2012, 08:26 AM)
http://collider.com/what-david-said-to-the...metheus/174637/
~ according to Dr. Anil Biltoo of the SOAS Language Centre in London, who served as the Linguist Teacher on Prometheus.
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