i am working in biolife and its considered a chinaman company cause its runned by a china man

but the china man is a person i admire and he run it like the military.

the pay is good and the career advancement is also good.

and they dont give you peanut pay.

chinaman company = one leg kicking.

expect to handle more works, thus one gained more from the experience.

I used to be in such company and yes, it pushes you to learn to survive and find solutions no matter what.

moving on to an mnc, i find the staff there, well... not so great on survival instinct and require guiding on a lot of matters.

personal exp anyway.

Bottom line is that chinaman or MNC type organizations do not promote or hinder one's entrepreunial spirit.

There is no cause and effect linkages anywhere to prove that - try as you might. I could also state that American type organizations produces entreprenuers by the truckload judging the amount of start-up businesses in the US of A and they are certainly no product of any chinaman organization.

Entreprenuership is largely dependent on one's own character - I know because I am an entreprenuer myself.

I have to disagree on the part that staff in MNCs are not great on survival instinct.
The political environment promotes back stabbers and ass lickers. You can be useless in your work and still be successful providing you are ruthless.

Of course, MNCs have more excess baggage employees than chinaman since excess baggage employees are discarded by chinaman and simply because MNCs are larger in size. It's harder for an employee in an MNC to be fired once they get pass the probation period.

I think I mean survival instinct in the sense of "if i dont settle this i will lose my job"

Your encounters are with deadwood/old timers who learnt how to leech off the org...

TRUE! cos I used to work in tis kinda company b4

sure or not? mother cook for his staff? got supply food summore?

beside the staff benefits are not in our expectation, the most disadvantage is some chinaman company is family members hold the top management positions, sometimes husband (MD) and wife (ED) will fight in the meeting, then which side u wan to support? headache!!!

This post has been edited by RME-RAnger: Dec 5 2008, 12:57 PM

True. True. I agree with that. Some people will go home w/o completing their work when it's crunch time.
And most of the time, those that do that are the deadwoods.
That mentality is due to the fact that MNCs rarely fire permanents unless they commit corporate sin (sexual harassment, etc.), are really really bad performer or from a global directive.

That and also there's always some poor people taking over the work.

yea....the boss's mother once cook for us char kuai teow and red bean as lunch. as time pass by, my other boss (run by 2 brothers) tell his mom not to cook in the office anymore. maybe he don't want us to have free lunch

agree... you voice out my heart....

Sometimes the husband was not there, the wife decided plan A. When the husband was back, he disagreed with that and insist on plan B, but plan A was already in progress....at the end, things got messed up....

i ever see both of my ex-bosses (husband and wife) quarreled in the meeting, me and all my ex-colleagues just sitting there and wait for them to 'work' out a conclusion..

Agree. Very hard to work in this kind of environment.

Not all company like that. My company now abit of chinaman company attitude but my boss is very concern on worker training and upgrading their skills since it benefits the company by having more skilled workers, the company can apply for contracts which need ppl with those specific skills. Also the worker can upgrade their own skills.

Currently now my boss is pushing for everybody to upgrade themselves with the necessary skills and future skill which are marketable. For me i've oledi went for courses in ISO auditing as well as level 1 certification for a number of engineering related fields and am going for my level 2 certification in ultrasonic testing and later upgrading it to phased array technology.

Too bad coz of crappy malaysian government, i cant follow my bosses for business trip to israel since he want 2 acquire some equipment over there.

This post has been edited by crapp0: Dec 6 2008, 12:34 AM

Chinaman company is a company in which the signboard of the company will have chinese characters below their english name.

Its a company that uses super outdated PCs and still using typewriters and the bosses room will have all those praying statues and fengshui stuff.

THen its also a company who require staff to work a minimum of 12 hours a day but the pay will be good but the boss will really squeeze every single drop of juice out from you before paying salary.

Everything is about minimum cost and maximum profit and he doesnt care how you do it,just get it done.

It's about the company will squeeze your blood this dry..and they are making money.but your salary is increase byRM50 per year.

Which company is this? I'll apply there right now.

i got 1st hand experience when i was 19 working in a small lawyer firm.

really 1 leg kicking. all staffs were the same position, either senior or junior, but we all did the same task. there's only 1 department, and we learn to handle the whole case from start to finish.

and during weekend, the boss (husband&wife) along with all their 4 kids will be at the office too. oh yeah, even their indonesion maid need to help at filing.

Chinaman company=Work like hell, Pay like shit!

dig out some old thread and can't stop laughing. my opinion of china-ah pek company is:

1.) there's a powderful people (nothing bout sex discrimination but usually it's women) to CONTROL everything.

2.) without company policy, never follow black and white, decision is made from mouth. for e.g. you suppose to claim RM 100/ day at for a over-sea trip at an expensive city, it's written in the policy, but the powderful 1 deduct it to RM 50/ day (by force), maybe it never step out from it's room and do not know what happen outside ...

3.) always looking for excuses to squeeze employee's salary/ benefits e.g. make use of the economic crisis, and deduct the sales personal commissions for >50%, ohh, of course over-write the sales manager's power, as mentioned, powderful 1 control EVERYTHING ! but in fact, sales personal is doing much better than previous year, and they unable to get back what they lose.. for ever ever and ever...

4.) medical, dental benefit, yes, but... limited add up RM 300/ yr... so if you gone for dental and spent near RM 300, then don't sick because you unable to claim any medical payment anymore ...

5.) as the company expanding (as mentioned, it's doing better and better), more peoples joining, so less parking, and some double-park their car, so the mgmt implement a new rules, buy a clamp, hire some vietnamese, and clamp whoever car that not parked properly, 50bucks to release the clamp, everything happens within the company's own private land.

6.) cut cost, cut cost and cut cost, that's everything, employee salary unable to follow the inflation, that's your problem as long as I success to cut down all the cost, and get more BONUS next year !

that's all joke. don't take it too serious. LOL.

hahaha totally agree with u.....

damn chinaman company... *** sai china face.... MNC still de best...

for fresh grad work in chinamen company can survive only 1 year+ then cabut.... cos totally no system at all...

alot work, but peanut paid....