Sadly that's not true at all. The communication & mgt styles, corporate culture and professional skillsets needed are totally different.

Good communication skills are honed in chinaman corporate environments?

Do you even what is the lingua franca of MNCs? How many chinamen companies can even string a decent English sentence?

I think it's more appropriate to say "They know how to exploit the employees better and the employees cannot do anything about it (since they have a million conflicting excuses) except quit."
Regarding redundant positions espeacially in MNCs, most of the time it's the mid management level.

Nowadays, GLCs seems to be the way to go since the G will bail them out regardless. And the best part is you don't have to work half of what you are expected to do.

You guys read through my heart ... i ever worked in a chinaman company.... it made me tired and exhausted to death

Now it's over, working in an MNC... it's a "whole world changed" kind of feel

There seem to be so many definition of "Chinaman Company" here, my impression is a chinaman company is a company which majority management is made of one or a few chinese, or it is a family business company operated by chinese. Usually one or two chinese who usually the boss or lady boss that make the important decision.

So is that mean if I set up a pancake company, and I be the CEO. My company is known as chinaman company?

So since they are usually smaller, they have to be critically concious about resource planning, including squezzing benefit for employees, extra work, etc etc.

So some say MNC is better then chinaman company, I would not agree on this one, MNC profit good? Do you know nowadays MNC like to hire people via contracts? That means your benefit is shittier then those in chinaman company, you work daylessly and nightlessly, and you can be dismissed anytime if your boss dont like you, you are being paid with half peanuts.

Some say MNC job easier? Huhuhu, are you kidding?

Tell me, how is it better then chinaman company?

This post has been edited by rexis: Dec 3 2008, 09:16 AM

Hey brother, not all chinaman companies are as good as you have thought about. No matter how worst an MNC company is, they do provide compensate leave to their staffs; working system is good; network system is good; photostate machine is good; fax machine is good; sercurity system is good; got paternity leave, marriage leave etc. Although nowadays they hire staff via contracts but staff still having better benefits from permanent staffs in chinaman company.

At least, contract staff in an MNC has 2 months bonus but permanent staff in chinamen company not even half month.

I'm not kidding.

what does "one leg kicking" means? i seen some forumer using this phrase.

In a way MNC company has its more systematic way of policies compare to chinaman company. As it hell in MNC company learning path is concentrate on a specific job of u doin & by exploring further out of scope is hardly prompt up because of their capabilities of organization structure resources.

I aggree that the learning scope in a chinaman is wider compare to a MNC. All the way, MNC company already has their system & whereby the benefits has its set target for the employee, the employee only need to implement or follow the instruction. By all means, it also has to refer to your top management of that organization leadership(director/GM)...The meaning is that the company is so call MNC but the local management is somehow a chinaman management.

Chinaman company only benefits the company, less on worker welfare.

But i know that working in a chinaman company has some benefits such as forcing one to be multi-tasking and this will benefit if you get a position in a MNC at a managerial position since you know in flow of how things go first hand.

As in any organization, you'd need to show that you are of value to your boss in order to have better chances in getting benefits.

Sometimes in a big comp, its harder for decision makers to notice you.

Maybe your should check back on your own english before you post it here.
Althought my boss is a chinese but all our corresponding letter is done in English.
This is because we deal alot wit MNC company.

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Added on December 4, 2008, 2:01 pmAt least someone finally understand what i meant. If you get a position in a MNC, you will probably in a managerial position because they know staff from chinamen company are multi tasker

This post has been edited by genesic: Dec 4 2008, 02:01 PM

chinaman company is company that do not invest much on staff and they do not promote work and life balance. you can expect low pay, long working hour, low spec computer, calculative boss, no career path.

Speaking of English, I see you don't have a good grasp of plurals and spelling. Re-read your own sentences.

What sort of good communication skills have you learnt from working in a "traditional chinaman" company? Please enlighten us.

Hiring for managerial positions are dependent on the candidate's skills and relevant experience - multi-tasking in a smallish and less professional setup e.g. a chinaman firm does not increase the chances of being hired for such positions.

Hence, most if not all management positions, particularly the senior ones at MNCs are filled with hirees from other MNCS or at the very least, large local corporations (think Sime Darby, Public Bank, etc).

Hi SPS,

I SUPPORT you!!!

Well, in any kind of companies, you learn some skills. I aint sure whether have u tried to work in 'traditional chinaman' companies before? But I dare to say, it breeds entrepreneurial spirits. It has something to do with the 'training' when working in these companies even though it's unofficials. As I said, experience tells everything. The more exposure you have, the better you are, in which, in traditional chinaman companies, one doesn't even have specifics roles, and thus, you can play what ever role in the companies and that gives you lots of exposure.

Look at those PLCs in KLSE. Count how many of them are starting as working in 'traditional chinaman' companies?

I can count a few:

1. Robert Kuok Hock-Nien
"Kuok’s Youth

Kuok was born in 1923 in Johor Bahru, the son of a well-off commodities trader.
His ancestral town was in Fujian province, China.
An old boy of Raffles College in Singapore, he was a schoolmate of Singapore's
Senior Minister Lee Kuan Yew in the late 40s. After graduation, he helped out
at his father’s company, and founded the Kuok Brothers Sdn Bhd in 1949."

2. IOI Founders
"He grew up northeast of Kuala Lumpur on a rubber plantation, where his father ran a small Chinese food shop. He left school when he was 11 to help support his family, selling ice cream on a bicycle for four years before returning to finish high school. He interviewed with one palm oil plantation for a supervisory job, but wasn't hired because he didn't speak English--important then because Europeans still ran most of the plantations. (Some 20 years later he took over that company; Dunlop Estate) Instead, at 22 he became a field supervisor at another palm oil company. That is when he started to develop his hands-on managerial style and home in on what it took to maximize yields."

3. Tan Sri Tan Sri Yeoh Tiang Lay's father - YTL Group
"Francis' grandfather initially worked as a clerk at a timber store in Klang. He married in 1923 and then moved alone to Kuala Selangor to start his own timber business. He later branched out into transport and construction-contracting."

I very much doubt a cause-and-effect relationship can be proven that working for a "chinaman" firm or for an MNC type concern leads to entrepreunial desires. For instance, the founder of Lenovo (one of the largest PC makers in the world) attributed his success to HP when he was running a distribution business for the giant technology corporation. Running your own business concern is largely dependent on one's own preference and psychological makeup, people from all walks of life start businesses.

You give one example, I can give you another entrepenuer that did not go through the chinaman company route to be successful (eg:- google, microsoft, faceobok etc ) You can't attribute an entrepeneur success to chinaman companies. To me it's more towards the persons character , how they are willing to take risk and oppurtunity.

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Added on December 4, 2008, 4:25 pmI disagree with the statement. I have some experience with some chinaman company, I dare say my managers then would not be able to fit into MNC culture. I doubt they can handle politics and interactions with foreign western counterparts.

This post has been edited by Drian: Dec 4 2008, 04:25 PM

That's a joke, right?

Like I said, the skillsets, culture and management styles are totally different. Almost opposite, in some cases. Someone from a Chinaman background will simply not fit in and cannot cope in a MNC environment, much less be seen as promising 'managerial' material. And vice versa, I would add.

1) Hope to get the best by paying the cheapest price (though sometimes I behave this way too ).
2) High employee turn over rate (vary depends on industry)
3) Always say yes to customer but act the other way around to employee (just kidding)

Like I said, undeniably one will learn something from anytype of companies. It just how much effort the employees take. In which most structured companies will have defined job scopes, therefore, exposure learn might be just a small part of the org. When compare to one in 'chinaman' firm, they don't get defined job scopes, therefore, more exposure.

Oh my.. Don't get me wrongly. I say 'chinaman companies' breed entrepreneurial spirit, it shapes the thoughts and mindset of the employees. But not every entrepreneur born from 'chinaman companies' of course.

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Added on December 4, 2008, 9:31 pmAnyway, I think we've answered the TS more than what we supposed

No point arguing how much one could learn from chinaman companies. There are always two sides to every coin. Depends on which view you look at it.

This post has been edited by keith_hjinhoh: Dec 4 2008, 09:31 PM