But sometimes u can learn a lot from chinaman company, although u gotta one leg kick most of the times, but u will learn a lotta thing when u look back in future. Just look at their positive side, and u work in MNC doesnt mean ur work is gonna be easy and remember in some MNC, when their management r chinese, more or less stil have chinaman influenced.

But why do we wanna learn all things and not enjoy life?

Do you want to work for all year long with just 10 days of annual leave which you are able to learn a lot of things or do you want to learn bit by bit but you are able to travel aorund the world for holidays for 3-4 months no pressure like those Europeans or Westerners.

This post has been edited by siren: Dec 2 2008, 12:44 PM

one leg kick learn a lot? eh seriously la, OLK can quite often be just routine.

so you're doing 3 person's job but just repeating it day-in, day-out!

travel = lawat sambil belajar!

seriously u can learn a lot n know a lotta things, differentiate good boss or tricky boss, if u just grad from college, and u will understand better the definition of 'good company or bad one' as u used to be in the worst. just to share my experiences, lotta ppl still complain when they r in good company with good benefits in mnc environment, and i just wanted to tell this ppl try go and work for chinaman comp, and u will realize how lucky u r currently, but 1 thing is chinaman comp do produce lotta good, dedicated and hardworking ppl in the market.

I disagree with that, cause you will only be learning a lot on the way chinaman do things.
You cannot apply the chinaman way of doing things in bigger companies.

this is so true and it apply to the company i am currently working

My Translation of chinaman company,

RM1 spend is RM2 lost in P&L report
RM1 profit is RM0.30 as gross net profit whereas RM0.20 is the costing.

So, RM0.50 they syphon in pocket.

Hi guys, agreed with every single point.

I work in 2 china man companies before and the only things that you can learn is throw one stone kill 2 birds or 3 birds or many birds....

They will squeeze you until no juice!!!! The pay is less and the working hours are long.......

Sigh... please prevent those China Man company..... e.g. the interviewer/future boss which does not have good command of english....

And don't forget about those chinaman company that is run by the family. Where the boss will bring his mother to come and cook during lunch time.

how abt huawei?

huawei is not a chinamen company but a chinese company lol

Please do not have a wrong perception whereby chinese owned companies belongs to chinaman style companies, there's alot of chinese owned conglomerates, huge public listed companies, or small medium companies where they do not practise such cultures.

If you peeps want to work in an MNC environment and avoid chinaman corporations, brush up on your verbal and written English skills!

My brother worked in one of those Singapore chinaman company before.

He's one of the pioneers and sad to say they don't appreciate his sacrifices (late nights and weekends) while he's working for them.
Examples includes dragging his salary for more than one month when the company is starting up claiming need to wait for the customer to pay up.
Not giving increment and bonus saying company not doing well while the whole family go tour europe for a month.

Luckily he's in a US MNC now and it's a world of difference there.

*sigh* i am working in such company. the bolded parts truly reflect my company's policy. Due to the long working hour, many of the staffs are single and not married eventhough they have reach "suitable" marrried age.

i couldnt have agree more with u except the swearing part

Basically the person who wrote that is etiher:
a) A boss in the chinaman company
or
b) Never work one leg kick in chinaman company
or
c) Used to work like that, but now working in a better company and he/she is grateful that he/she has learn a lot during that time and now apply the knowledge on current job.

For people who is doing OLK now, reading that post is kinda blasphemy!

A lot of you seem to have a real disdain for Chinaman companies. If they are so bad to work for, then don't work for them. Why suffer the long hours and 1 person doing 3 persons' jobs?

If you can work so hard and are so good, I'm sure the MNCs, consultancies and international banks must be tripping over themselves trying to hire you.

But the fact that a lot of you spend years slaving at Chinaman companies proves 2 things.

1. You're really not that good. Probably not much good at all. The only company that will hire you is the Chinaman.

2. The fact that people like you spend years at Chinaman companies, and they have survived for generations means that they are paying you exactly what you're worth. Not much.

for my opinion, you wil able to learn a lot , i mean damn lot as your job wil cover several field also. when you think you have enought of knowledge, you can apply in a mnc company in management level already. this is due to your large coverage of skill and good communication skill as you have encountered during your working time in those chinaman company.

Some of these peeps can't get into MNCs and the Accentures of this world is largely due to their inept command of the English language.

Actually there are pros and cons about Chinaman companies.

Pro:
They know how to use resources wisely. No wastage. Meaning they don't pay ppl for nothing. Unlike certain Non-chinaman companies, sometimes certain position is redundant...

Hence, when recession hit the country, normally Chinaman companies will sustain. While others will have problem cutting job, salary, etc.

Con:
They don't really follow black and white or company policy. Bos is the "policy". Probably just one person is hired as Admin cum Account cum HR... heheh... whatever comes out from Bos is the policy. Money speaks in Chinaman company.