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post Nov 12 2008, 09:25 AM

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QUOTE(zenquix @ Nov 12 2008, 07:26 AM)
your credit limit is free-ed up by the installment amount every month.

eg. is ur purchase is 4800.  credit limit is 5000. Over 12 months.

Month 0 Installment left: 4800  Credit limit: 200
Month 1 Installment left: 4400  Credit limit: 600  (pay RM400)
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Ok.. I got the point. smile.gif..

btw, which cc company and card are you recommend? Currently, I am applying for Petronas Maybank Visa. I am looking for another, Master Card card.
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post Nov 12 2008, 11:38 AM

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QUOTE(perror @ Nov 7 2008, 01:26 PM)
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Personally, I avoided Citi like the plague. Very frustrating dealing with them.


Added on November 12, 2008, 11:41 am
QUOTE(perror @ Nov 7 2008, 02:24 PM)
On the other hand, I am also thinking of getting a debit card that's tied to an account with only small amounts of cash (maybe RM500). Hopefully that should help limit loses in the case the card is stolen. What do you guys think about this?smile.gif

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What I did was applied for a basic card (I don't want gold or platinum) with the very minimum credit limit of RM3000. I had requested for lower but that's the lowest limit possible. That is my main card for use in places whereby I can't see them swapping my card like in the restaurant.



edited by b00n: help include the spoiler tag to shorten a long post for better reading.


Added on November 12, 2008, 12:12 pmUsing CIMB DA card doing 3 purchases in UK GBP.
1. Twice, the exchange rate given by DA are lower then BNM's interbank for the date. 6.249 vs BNM 6.305. Forgot about the other one.
2. Once was higher. 6.359 vs BNM 6.225.

I could understand DA charging higher rate than BNM's interbank rate. But I could never understand as to the lower rates given for the other 2 occasion.

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=12&pg=6...ype=Mid&unit=rm

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post Nov 12 2008, 12:34 PM

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I just fetched my MBB IKhwan AMEX from the branch.


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post Nov 12 2008, 02:18 PM

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Added on November 12, 2008, 12:12 pmUsing CIMB DA card doing 3 purchases in UK GBP.
1. Twice, the exchange rate given by DA are lower then BNM's interbank for the date. 6.249 vs BNM 6.305.  Forgot about the other one.
2. Once was higher. 6.359 vs BNM 6.225.

I could understand DA charging higher rate than BNM's interbank rate. But I could never understand as to the lower rates given for the other 2 occasion.

http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=12&pg=6...ype=Mid&unit=rm
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They don't follow BNM's rate. They will use the rate determined by VISA/MASTER. Refer to the last section of the following site.
http://www.directaccess.com.my/index.php?c...c_s&ac=1&tpt=da

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post Nov 12 2008, 02:33 PM

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You missed my meaning completely.

Let me take this as an example:
Credit card charged me 6.249
BNM rate is 6.305

I have reason to believe those BNM rate of 6.305 is interbank or wholesale rate that is NOT available to us normal consumer. When we go to the bank to buy GBP, we are guaranteed to be charged higher retail rate.

Since bank typically add 200 to 500 base point to those wholesale rate, we will be charged:
MINIMUM of 6.305+0.02 = 6.325 or
MAXIMUM of 6.305+0.05 = 6.355.

If that assumption hold, then how is it possible for us to be charged a rate that is LOWER than the wholesale rate? In this particular case, I was charged 6.249!!!

I have a Vista gadget displaying almost real time exchange rate on my pc screen and I have never notice it going anywhere below 6.3 for the few days I tracked them. And of course, it might have momentarily done so when I am asleep at night. So it's either a mystery or I must be super lucky that day while sleeping.


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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2008, 12:34 PM)
I just fetched my MBB IKhwan AMEX from the branch.
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Both of us applied around the same time but i have yet to get any news about my application. Went to the Maybank Islamic branch here just now and the staff entertained me wasn't helpful at all. So right after i came out from Maybank i drove straight to HSBC to get the application form for the normal HSBC AMANAH Visa Credit Card-i. Going to submit my application form tomorrow. Hopefully they are efficient in what they're doing and can provide me the status of my application from time to time.
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QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Nov 11 2008, 05:49 PM)
I have used MBB Amex Credit Card and Bonuslink at Shell. Yes, you can get both 2x TP and 1x Bonuslink points. However, must swipe BL first, then only swipe Amex.  sweat.gif
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may I know which amex card you are using?MBB amex or amex charge card?

if is that case,i'm thinking to apply amex card so that to collect both TP and bonus link point... tongue.gif
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QUOTE(David83 @ Nov 12 2008, 12:34 PM)
I just fetched my MBB IKhwan AMEX from the branch.
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Congras, hope it's wont give ur nightmare.
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QUOTE(wvt @ Nov 12 2008, 10:00 PM)
QUOTE(cute_boboi @ Nov 11 2008, 05:49 PM)

I have used MBB Amex Credit Card and Bonuslink at Shell. Yes, you can get both 2x TP and 1x Bonuslink points. However, must swipe BL first, then only swipe Amex.  sweat.gif
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may I know which amex card you are using?MBB amex or amex charge card?

if is that case,i'm thinking to apply amex card so that to collect both TP and bonus link point... tongue.gif
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MBB Amex Credit Card doh.gif I already bold it on my initial posting doh.gif
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Hi Optiplex330 , yeah I certainly intend to avoid them at all costs. Your suggestion's great, probably I'll try to ask HSBC and see what's the lowest limit they can set for the card. It seems like debit cards also come with it's own downpoints...guess I gotta eval both options.

For my case I have sumitted it to the FMB and guess I'll have to wait for them to get back to me.
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QUOTE(MilesAndMore @ Nov 10 2008, 09:07 PM)
By the way guys, i just found out that the minimum salary required to apply for the AMEX Green Charge Card is now RM30,000 instead of RM24,000 previously.
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According to Maybank webside stated, Green card is Minimum annual income:
RM24,000




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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Nov 12 2008, 02:33 PM)
You missed my meaning completely.

Let me take this as an example:
Credit card charged me 6.249
BNM rate is 6.305

I have reason to believe those BNM rate of 6.305 is interbank or wholesale rate that is NOT available to us normal consumer. When we go to the bank to buy GBP, we are guaranteed to be charged higher retail rate.

Since bank typically add 200 to 500 base point to those wholesale rate, we will be charged:
MINIMUM of 6.305+0.02 = 6.325 or
MAXIMUM of 6.305+0.05 = 6.355.

If that assumption hold, then how is it possible for us to be charged a rate that is LOWER than the wholesale rate? In this particular case, I was charged 6.249!!!

I have a Vista gadget displaying almost real time exchange rate on my pc screen and I have never notice it going anywhere below 6.3 for the few days I tracked them. And of course, it might have momentarily done so when I am asleep at night. So it's either a mystery or I must be super lucky that day while sleeping.
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I got what u meant, but u din get what i meant. Maybe my explanation not good enough blush.gif
Refer to this thread, http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/402992

However, I hv no idea how visa/master determine their rates

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VISA Forex rate = http://corporate.visa.com/pd/consumer_serv....jsp?src=ex_rez
For more info, read this

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QUOTE(deitel73 @ Nov 13 2008, 01:47 PM)
According to Maybank webside stated, Green card is Minimum annual income:
RM24,000
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That's the old one. It has since been revised to RM30,000 for the Green Card and still is RM48,000 for the Gold Card. Check out the application below :
American Express (CLICK ME)


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post Nov 14 2008, 05:43 AM

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QUOTE(alexwsk @ Nov 13 2008, 08:32 PM)
I got what u meant, but u din get what i meant. Maybe my explanation not good enough blush.gif
Refer to this thread, http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/402992

However, I hv no idea how visa/master determine their rates

Updated
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VISA Forex rate = http://corporate.visa.com/pd/consumer_serv....jsp?src=ex_rez
For more info, read this
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You still do not get what I meant.

Based on my 2 past experience and using this as an example. Right now,
The Vista gadget (drawing data from some internet site) quoted 5.352
And assuming BNM quoted rate is 5.36
(These 2 must be wholesale or interbank rate not available to retail customer)

The Visa site you gave me quoted exchange rate of 5.40
(This must be the rate charged to retail customer)


But my credit card company is only charging me 5.29!!

How is that possible?




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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Nov 14 2008, 05:43 AM)
You still do not get what I meant.

Based on my 2 past experience and using this as an example. Right now,
The Vista gadget (drawing data from some internet site) quoted 5.352
And assuming BNM quoted rate is 5.36
(These 2 must be wholesale or interbank rate not available to retail customer)

The Visa site you gave me quoted exchange rate of 5.40
(This must be the rate charged to retail customer)
But my credit card company is only charging me 5.29!!

How is that possible?
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The site gave me a calculation of 5.30, which is pretty close to 5.29

Effective: Nov 13, 2008
10 MYR = 1.89 GBP / 1 GBP = 5.30 MYR

British Pounds to Malaysian Ringgit

1 = 5.30 50 = 265.00
5 = 26.50 75 = 397.50
10 = 53.00 100 = 530.00
20 = 106.00 150 = 795.00
25 = 132.50 200 = 1060.00
30 = 159.00 250 = 1325.00
40 = 212.00 300 = 1590.00
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QUOTE(alexwsk @ Nov 14 2008, 10:21 AM)
The site gave me a calculation of 5.30, which is pretty close to 5.29


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No matter how you wanted to argue, the fact remains the credit card is making a lost in 2 of my previous transaction. That is simply NOT possible , hence the mystery.

Using your example, 5.40 vs 5.29 is 100 base point difference. AFAIK, bank normally mark up 200 to 400 base point as profit when they sell you foreign currency. For larger transaction, they may even be willing to mark up only 100 base point so your 100 base point difference is significant loses to the credit card company.


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Guys,

Currently I'm using HSBC credit card so i'm planning to get second one..hopefully local one with no annual fee or less..My choice is between,Public bank,RHB, or UOB.Please help me to decide.I normally use for 0% interest fee installment to buy things...Please no maybank or cimb....

Thanks,
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Nov 14 2008, 11:05 AM)
No matter how you wanted to argue, the fact remains the credit card is making a lost in 2 of my previous transaction. That is simply NOT possible , hence the mystery.

Using your example, 5.40 vs 5.29 is 100 base point difference. AFAIK, bank normally mark up 200 to 400 base point as profit when they sell you foreign currency. For larger transaction, they may even be willing to mark up only 100 base point so your 100 base point difference is significant loses to the credit card company.
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well, i would say that no one is losing. You gain some through lower FOREX rate (most of the time though not always), your bank pays the amount requested, and VISA/MASTER still can gain from the lower FOREX rate than banks. Don't forget that Visa/Master are powerful global companies that can even fix their own FOREX rate.

I think the relation is like this
You ----> Bank ----> Visa/Master <---- Merchant

Your bank is not going to earn from the FOREX. It might be more complicated than the above but my knowledge are limited. Maybe some forumer who works in the financial institutions can explain further.
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i just applied for RHB money travel card.... i travel kinda alot for work so wanna get travel points.... 1 year free but 2nd year and throughout remaining usage can call and apply for waive...
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QUOTE(letchuanna @ Nov 14 2008, 01:03 PM)
Guys,

Currently I'm using HSBC credit card so i'm planning to get second one..hopefully local one with no annual fee or less..My choice is between,Public bank,RHB, or UOB.Please help me to decide.I normally use for 0% interest fee installment to buy things...Please no maybank or cimb....

Thanks,
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UOB is NOT a local bank. It is a Singaporean bank.

As much as i adore Public Bank (it's my main bank for savings and such) but you may just forget it if you intend to use their credit card. Public Bank credit card doesn't give you much benefits and is one of the worst credit cards in Malaysia. The cash back reward is also unbelievably low thus make their credit cards uncompetitive at all.

I suggest you to apply for CIMB Bank Mastercard but too bad you don't want to consider CIMB. It got lots of promotion year-round and it is absolutely free-for-life with no catch at all.


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