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ar188
post Aug 16 2009, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 16 2009, 03:36 PM)
Not just the PC12-Plus.  The last time I got PC12-Plus quoted from SVS, it should cost less than Rm5k inclusive of tax and shipping.  Your price is almost RM1000 more. I don't want to hurt your business but I think the whole dealership thing should bring down the price as the shipping cost can be much cheaper with ocean freight.  The reason SVS sub cost a lot when we ship it direct is because of courier air freight.  I don't think as a dealer you ship all your sub via air.  If it is by ship, then it should be a lot cheaper therefore the saving should be pass on to the customer.  The whole point of SVS selling direct is to cut middleman therefore making their product cheaper to end users.  I hope you can work put a better option and bring your price down for Malaysian.
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for your info the price of PC12+ in sg is abt SGD1800 without tax and transporting , htkaki price is reasonable and it save u frm alot of hassle .

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QUOTE(mys_terious @ Aug 16 2009, 11:53 AM)
i would say for ppl who live in KL the price mightbe  still ok, but for Nothern buyers there are quite a few questions raised by my frens..

1) how much more do we have to pay, lets say sending a pb12nsd to Penang?  If we buy directly from US to Pg airport it would be rm3400 including tax.. now we have to pay rm38xx and still need to pay more transport from kl to North.

2) do i still get the 'no questions asked, we r sending a new 1 to u now' service when there is damage to the sub during local delivery.. coz this is what svs is supposed to be.. greatest service to their buyers .. if we have to wait for weeks for u to claim from the transport co then it is a big no no.

3) nothern buyers dont get any additional service from u on the spot for setting up our subwoofer.. no offence if i am going to ask for help through email i will certainly email directly to svs coz they r the real expert... and if there is problem with the sub we still have to diy..

Bro i think u need to state clearly the transport cost and what happens when there is damage to the subwoofer during local delivery.. coz these r the questions repeatedly raised by the few interested buyers from north.. at the moment they dont see y they should pay u more..  the two frens that i have spoken to prefer to wait for Sg price 1st (are they out yet?) ..  they dont see any any reason buying in malaysia .. shipping faulty parts to kl and shippng faulty parts to sg is really no diff to us.. and nothern buyers still have to diy..  if they need to pay extra to send to north then they rather arrange or pay  for some1 to bring in from sg coz to them they got nothing to lose.. they get a chance to avoid tax ...  Anyway these are what my frens feel, maybe u can advise abt the local transport fee part and how does the warranty work during local transport.
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It's ok smile.gif

1. That's why I am trying to get the cheapest transporter to get my stuff in to reduce the cost. A particular company quoted an attractive price. The catch is a 20' container. Still in negotiation process. Up north to PG, additional RM100.

2. Yes. However, customer still need to help us to do troubleshooting to identify which part failed. We shall get it replaced asap. At the moment, target is 10days.

3. Unfortunately, that's true.

4. We shall use renowned transport company / courier company to deliver it to North to minimise the risk.Of course, we need insurance to cover ourselves.

Price in Spore

PC12-NSD : SGD1,099
PC12-Plus : SGD1,850
PC13-Ultra : SGD2,750
PB13-Ultra : SGD3,099
PB12-Plus : SGD2,350*
PB12-NSD : SGD1,180*
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post Aug 16 2009, 04:36 PM

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I'm calculating based on PB12-NSD:

Sub - $569
D2A shipping - $240 (based on a quote they gave me last time)
Tax - $214 (26.5% x $809)

RM equivalent = $1023 x 3.55 = RM3,631

But don't forget customs clearance and transport to your house (Klang Valley), which will add another about RM500 (based on quotes I received when I did my Rythmik). So, all in delivered to your house is about RM4,131.

Buying from htkaki is RM3,815 so you save about RM300.

QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 16 2009, 03:36 PM)
Not just the PC12-Plus.  The last time I got PC12-Plus quoted from SVS, it should cost less than Rm5k inclusive of tax and shipping.
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Let's see:

Sub - $949
D2A shipping - $200 (I assume slightly cheaper than PB12-NSD)
Tax - $304 (26.5% x $1149)

RM equivalent = $1453 x 3.55 = RM5,158. Add RM500 for customs clearance and transport (Klang Valley) and the total is RM5,658. A little over RM100 cheaper than htkaki.

So that means on some models you gain, some you lose... hmm.gif

This post has been edited by jchong: Aug 16 2009, 04:43 PM
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post Aug 16 2009, 04:59 PM

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I would pay RM100 more to avoid all the hassle to deal with kastam and all the waiting games.....time is more precious to me sweat.gif
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Aug 16 2009, 04:59 PM)
I would pay RM100 more to avoid all the hassle to deal with kastam and all the waiting games.....time is more precious to me sweat.gif
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Same here. RM100 is a small difference, not enough to justify your own hassle.

However, I was more trying to see if lightning69's claim of under 5k was possible or not. It seems not, under normal circumstances.
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2009, 03:53 PM)
I didn't know htkaki was in the business to be non profit organization.. tongue.gif
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ar188,

This is a concept that a lot of people fail to understand. The administrative portion is totally not factored into calculations as well. Time is money and it is not free.

All,

This is the 1st step into gettting some previously difficuly to get brands into Malaysia. Pass all your inputs to htkaki and always keep in mind that he is not doing this for charity. He has stated a couple of times that based on the support that he has seen, he has been thinking of setting up a store somewhere.

Some of the points that mys_terious puts out helps htkaki iron out the kinks in setting up a new business and it helps all of us. Give constructive feedback to any logistics and after sales issues that will help us all.

The after sales service is another factor that needs to be considered. As his volume grows, I am sure he will do his best to reduce costs and pass on the benefits to us.

I am hoping that he also obtaines the dealership for obscure brands that are great but not available in Malaysia.

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Aug 16 2009, 04:15 PM)
It's ok  smile.gif 

1. That's why I am trying to get the cheapest transporter to get my stuff in to reduce the cost. A particular company quoted an attractive price. The catch is a 20' container. Still in negotiation process. Up north to PG, additional RM100.

2. Yes. However, customer still need to help us to do troubleshooting to identify which part failed. We shall get it replaced asap. At the moment, target is 10days.

3. Unfortunately, that's true.

4. We shall use renowned transport company / courier company to deliver it to North to minimise the risk.Of course, we need insurance to cover ourselves.

Price in Spore

PC12-NSD : SGD1,099
PC12-Plus : SGD1,850
PC13-Ultra : SGD2,750
PB13-Ultra : SGD3,099
PB12-Plus : SGD2,350*
PB12-NSD : SGD1,180*
*IIRC.
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1)rm100 seems reasonable .. so for nothern buyers rm3900-rm4000 door to door is very fair.. that is what we abt what we had to pay if bought from US.

2)10days is quick.. as long as if the damage is done by the transporter then u r willing to replace it then i dont think there is no more worries on the buyers' side

Well everything looks good now! thumbup.gif


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post Aug 16 2009, 10:28 PM

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We shall ties up all loose ends along the way. Having said that, SVS is currently busy coping with overwhelming orders (220V). Hopefully, that doesn't affect us much.

It is always good to have constructive ideas / comments like anfieldude pointed out. It help us to improve.

Oh yes, I need to keep all your database as well for reference and e-newsletter, which is why I am busy with my 'project' for now. Ooppss... nearly let the cat out.
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post Aug 16 2009, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(jchong @ Aug 16 2009, 04:36 PM)
I'm calculating based on PB12-NSD:

Sub - $569
D2A shipping - $240 (based on a quote they gave me last time)
Tax - $214 (26.5% x $809)

RM equivalent = $1023 x 3.55 = RM3,631

But don't forget customs clearance and transport to your house (Klang Valley), which will add another about RM500 (based on quotes I received when I did my Rythmik). So, all in delivered to your house is about RM4,131.

Buying from htkaki is RM3,815 so you save about RM300.
Let's see:

Sub - $949
D2A shipping - $200 (I assume slightly cheaper than PB12-NSD)
Tax - $304 (26.5% x $1149)

RM equivalent = $1453 x 3.55 = RM5,158. Add RM500 for customs clearance and transport (Klang Valley) and the total is RM5,658. A little over RM100 cheaper than htkaki.

So that means on some models you gain, some you lose...  hmm.gif
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You don't need to pay RM500 for custom clearance and trasnport if you do it yourself. If you let the agent do it for you, then you have to pay the hefty fee they charges.

The other thing is that you can get SVS to only include the price of the Sub in the invoice. That way you don't need to pay tax for shipping.

PC12-Plus
Sub - $949
D2A shipping - $200 (I assume slightly cheaper than PB12-NSD)
Tax - $251 (26.5% x $949)

RM equivalent = $1400 x 3.55 = RM4970

One thing you all must understand is that the above freight charges are for Air freight. This should be very much less if its via the sea. And also dealer won't be charged full price by SVS as their are some profit built in for the dealer. Just like if we do an MO which is will be like 5-10% discount.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying that htkaki should not make profit! He should or else what is the point of doing it. My concern is that the price should not be more than if we are to order it direct ourself or at least the same.

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for those thinking to buy svs, here's my pb12nsd chart:

chart generated from REW, crossover=100Hz

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post Aug 16 2009, 10:56 PM

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ur PoV is very tajam biggrin.gif

i hope htkaki taukeh also can find cheaper sea ship ..... so more customers turn to him


Added on August 16, 2009, 10:57 pm
QUOTE(ar188 @ Aug 16 2009, 03:53 PM)
I didn't know htkaki was in the business to be non profit organization.. tongue.gif
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u got invest-ed izi? brows.gif

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great constructive ideas and feedbacks given. hopefully htkaki listens to us potential buyers of SVS. btw i'm at North side too. here's hoping to get a good price so i'll not have to import it myself.

htkaki,
any plans to open biz up North?? smile.gif
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QUOTE(lightning69 @ Aug 16 2009, 10:43 PM)
You don't need to pay RM500 for custom clearance and trasnport if you do it yourself.  If you let the agent do it for you, then you have to pay the hefty fee they charges.

The other thing is that you can get SVS to only include the price of the Sub in the invoice.  That way you don't need to pay tax for shipping.

PC12-Plus
Sub - $949
D2A shipping - $200 (I assume slightly cheaper than PB12-NSD)
Tax - $251 (26.5% x $949)

RM equivalent = $1400 x 3.55 = RM4970

One thing you all must understand is that the above freight charges are for Air freight.  This should be very much less if its via the sea.  And also dealer won't be charged full price by SVS as their are some profit built in for the dealer.  Just like if we do an MO which is will be like 5-10% discount.

Don't get me wrong.  I am not saying that htkaki should not make profit!  He should or else what is the point of doing it.  My concern is that the price should not be more than if we are to order it direct ourself or at least the same.
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1. sales tax (10%) and duty (15%) = 26.5% is based on CIF price.. (which include shipping costs)

2. anyway he running the biz if dun like his price, dun buy lor.. or buy direct.. free choice for consumer to choose. thumbup.gif


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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Aug 16 2009, 10:56 PM)
boss lightning69

ur PoV is very tajam biggrin.gif

i hope htkaki taukeh also can find cheaper sea ship ..... so more customers turn to him


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u got invest-ed izi?  brows.gif
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I apologise to htkaki if my pov is not in his best interest. I am only suggesting that it could have been cheaper of at least the same price as if we order it ourself. When I ordered my PC12+, my main concern was the hefty Air freight charges. But then if that thing can be ship by sea, the cost would drop by more than half. Then we are talking dealership here which don't pay full retail price for the sub. That is the profit for the dealer already.
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QUOTE(megatron007 @ Aug 16 2009, 10:56 PM)


u got invest-ed izi?  brows.gif
I wish! I have to take queue number.. the line too long.. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(asherteoh @ Aug 16 2009, 11:04 PM)
great constructive ideas and feedbacks given. hopefully htkaki listens to us potential buyers of SVS. btw i'm at North side too. here's hoping to get a good price so i'll not have to import it myself.

htkaki,
any plans to open biz up North?? smile.gif
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The main idea is to keep the cost low. If I open another shop in PG, I'll surely charge more. Let's be realistic smile.gif PG land is like gold sweat.gif

I would like to maintain the same price as SVS ship to Malaysia. Obviously, I can't. I need transport to get my goods from down south. So, have to pay for all of the cost for documentation fees and taxes. I have also stated that the price quoted is estimation as I am trying to get cheaper transportation cost to lower down the price. I just got to know that I need a license from MEC to import this.

Why not you guys go and protest (which we are becoming very good at it) or write a petition to MITI to reduce the bloody taxes? thumbup.gif I shall pass all the savings to you all.

I should get a partner in. Anyone ? I can sell at whichever lower price. The catch is that all expenses and losses will be on you biggrin.gif Seriously, aint joking. The price issue mostly aiming at PC12-Plus, which I am aware of. For whatever cost reduction or options that are available in near future, I shall update you guys icon_rolleyes.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

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I think to be fair, running biz is to earn money too. So, if you don't like the price, then drive to Sg and get a unit directly there and try your luck to bypass the ketam. If I'm getting the PC unit, just put it in the trunk and throw away the box. Pretend it is like ah beng very geng sub for car pre-install in Malaysia. My brother is in Sg so might get his help to get a unit for PC-13Plus. Looking to dual sub with my DD-12. May ask him to ship from Singapore written down as used unit and lower price invoice. Too lazy to drive all the way to Singapore -- Penang.

If you check the Singapore pricing compare to US direct ship to Malaysia without the tax, it cost almost the same so if you manage to to bypass ketam, you would save around RM 1800 in tax (-RM 300 for petrol and toll + 1 day lost). Time to propose to your HM your next holiday trip is driving to Singapore (- the kid) to make space for the sub thumbup.gif

Another route I might take is get a subwoofer kit for F15 and get a local carpenter to make the box for me. This would be the cheapest way to get my second sub.

Put it in this way, if you don't like the price, you can pick other brand. It's not that SVS is the only good sub.

This post has been edited by pierreye: Aug 17 2009, 01:24 AM
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You all forgot that htkaki is getting the stocks from KEC...he is a dealer, not distributor....KEC already got a cut in the profit.....

Everyone wants things to be cheap, including me, but the reality is that, apart from the cost of the goods, there are many other things involved, think of shipping, warehouse, rental, salary, insurance, medical etc.....

If you are running a business, you would know, but if you are an engineer...good luck tongue.gif
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Aug 17 2009, 08:20 AM)
You all forgot that htkaki is getting the stocks from KEC...he is a dealer, not distributor....KEC already got a cut in the profit.....

Everyone wants things to be cheap, including me, but the reality is that, apart from the cost of the goods, there are many other things involved, think of shipping, warehouse, rental, salary, insurance, medical etc.....

If you are running a business, you would know, but if you are an engineer...good luck tongue.gif
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I think that is the key point: KEC is the distributor not htkaki, so pricing is really out of his hands and there is only so much he can reduce without losing money.

Also, some had too high expectations that a local dealer will result in lower retail prices which might have happened if the distributor was also local. So, as pierreye pointed out, "if you don't like the price, you can pick other brand".

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