but it not 4 gaming

now that notebook dont hav any of those in gaming purpose

well  if it for spreadsheet, powerpoint, casual games, basic multimedia,..... i will buy it.. but if u guys planing all day to play crysis.. than u guys should get better gaming notebook....   

god u made me lough  , and so not true..im not saying that.. i just give u an example for working stuff...atleast that was my first thought went i see picture and how it made and the concept...but after i read all the spec and i think..mostly u can do everything in this notebook.............but i still think that sager can do better than this.

Hence you're contradicting yourself.

So you're all for the looks, I see? Hmm.. Sounds so much like ricers

so the question is y it hav great spec but it not 4 gaming or multimedia purpose?? is like insert an ferrari engine 2 a minicooper car

ahh u miss this 1..


u hav any awnser 4 that?? genius dude??

so the question is y it hav great spec but it not 4 gaming or multimedia purpose??

mostly u can do everything in this notebook

congrats, u clearly proven to us whats the IQ level of 2nd year MMU student  

Your analogy is flawed, terribly. If a Ferrari engine works in a Mini, it would bring up the performance to Ferrari standard, no? (forget about other things such as how the design of Ferrari reduces friction and all since it's not applicable to notebooks). If you can only afford to get the engine, and not the whole package of a Ferrari, would you rather do that, or go for, a more average of performance and bling car, and stand a higher chance to lose out in a race (performance)? Not to mention in notebooks, there's other factors such as portability too. You keep mentioning XPS 1730, you do know that a 17" and a 15.4" have quite a difference in portability, right? Oh no wait, you just want the blings and other factors are out of your mind.

A gamer requires a rig that runs his/her games smoothly (performance). The blings comes after the performance is satisfied. If Alienware has a typical performance, let's say, 2.0ghz and a 8600M GT, you think Stringfellow would have gone for it? Now you are judging how good a gaming notebook is based on the blings, that's terrible. The Sager with those specs are great as a gaming notebook, regardless of what you said. You first said it would only suit to be used for the basic usage (word processing and bla), but now you're saying it can be used for almost anything. Big contradiction there.

And I would like to ask you,

How in the effin' world is it not suitable for gaming purposes? Oh no wait...

Now it can..

A gaming notebook is first judged on how good it can perform, not how many LEDs and curves it have. Although a combination of both is definitely ideal, you don't get the best of both world every time as the price factor always comes in unless you're some rich brat who gets 10k for his birthday without needing to work anything for it.

You first said it would only suit to be used for the basic usage (word processing and bla), but now you're saying it can be used for almost anything. Big contradiction there.

ok all the stuff u just said..it doest tell me y i should choose Sager NP8660....and
it not contradiction...im saying that from the start loud and clear "the spec are AWESOME" but if u using that as a full time gaming Platform, it feel somink missing....it dont hav gaming passion and soul.

ok now let me ask u ......2 notebook in front ur face..sager np8660 and alienwere which u rather choose???
simple question....if u cant answer this.....all the thing u just said it made u look more dum dum instant of genius..
and if u can choose 1 of that..than u know wat make NP8660 are different than gaming notebook

and 1 more thing u hav 2 learn dude.....in a big world out, not all pll know bout hardware...spec...so  u hav 2 look at the bling factor 2 sell ur product....and if sager failed 2 do that, that y sager doesnt sell realy good,click here and tell me if u see any of sager brand?? and dear genius dude that is call marketing and u should learn that too...no offence.... and that make alienware and xps are top gaming notebook..

so u saying that u rather choose this NP8660 than Alienware?? that wat u saying??
and pls read my first comment and pls do understand them....

only he maybe?

Thermal paste? That was the comeback?  A simple call or email to Roswell, would even allow that, at probably no extra charge.The option of not buying an O/S is hardly an advantage. I see Alienware as the the equivalent of Apple in the PC side of things, they marry their components inside nicely and to make sure they work well with each other, that requires an OS to test them out. Installing FreeDOS on a performance notebook and letting the enduser be the guinea pig as to whether those components works well with each other, for something of this caliber, is a form of being irresponsible in my books. I dont want to be troubleshooting FOR them, after the amount of money I have splurged for this.

Again I reiterate, Alienware is not about the bling. Having the bling and turning it off is an OPTION, so that if you're in that LAN Party with the right crowd you can turn it on, and if you're in a more formal setting, you have the OPTION of turning it off. IF your setting is more formal than that of the previous LAN Party setting I've mentioned, then why are you even considering a premium gaming laptop then? Shouldnt it be better to get a business-oriented laptops like the Sony Z. Oh, you wanted the OPTION of gaming on your laptop as well, you say? Well, that concept of having an OPTION I've pointed out comes out nice and clear now, doesnt it? Zing!
Wow, you have security issues there, man. If given an opportunity to own a Ferrari, would you still rather drive a Wira, even if it's Wira engine is shanked off and replaced with a souped up Evo engine? And why the heavy consideration on "what other people think"? You have "what other people think" as one of the consideration on buying your stuff?

Classifying "extravagance" and "premium" is subjective , depending on the level of one's financial security. I find buying a Ferrari as an extravagance, but not to let say, Person A, who loves performance cars, and have either saved and skimp on his savings just enough to buy one. He does not have to be super rich, only do well enough to save up for a Ferrari. Another person,  Person B would say, that getting a Ferrari is out of his consideration because it is not within his affordability range, so that other person picks another car that almost mirrors that Ferrari in performance, but may have certain concessions and sacrifices on looks. It looks scoffingly plain to the untrained eye, but once Person B stepped on that gas pedal, it is a different story. But, it does not stop the general public's already established impression that the Ferrari = fast. No matter how much that Person B wants to preach the virtues of his car, the general public would probably have dubious looks on their face at first before it is "test-driven" to prove his point. It doesnt help that his chosen car have the boxy dimensions of a Kenari.

In 2 years, when all is said and done, which brand would people feel more inclined to purchase, should I choose to resell it then? Alienware or Sager? Point is moot if you choose not to sell it, but having that sense of brand recognition and is like a warm blanket on a rainy day to me.

I'm all for reviews and introducing new brands and their OPTIONS to others, but choosing to harp on those new brand by downtrodding and mocking another brand, you'd most definitely be inviting a counter-reponse from those brand(s) you have retorted against now, wouldnt it? Newton's Third Law, my friend.......your actions most definitely will invite its appropriate REACTIONS.

P/S: This may be a Wilayah Sager, but the Mothership patrols the skies.

The arguments would not have come if the TS didnt portray the Alienware as "just bling only" and polish his Sager choice to kingdom come. I said it before and I will say it here again, if the decision against the Alienware was purely on the basis of paying premium price over the Sager offering, then we are on the same page here, and I totally agree, the Alienware is more pricetag-prohibitive. But lambasting the Alienware because it has the OPTION of bling, just simply invites a counter-reaction.
I totally agree, and if the criteria at which the choice came from is because "we might not have the budget" and it stops there, I'm with you, brother. But dont make it look as if the Alienware is all bling and no brains inside. That was what I was responding to, as well as TS's insecurities of having a nicer looking laptop(which is again, subjective). The bling (Light Pipe, AlienFX linings, and illuminated keyboard) is OPTIONAL, they can be turned off. Best of both worlds, the world of business-like simplicity, or decked-out decadence.

And heroiuu, you're getting out of context here , dude. The Sager matches, if not overtakes the Alienware specs when it comes portable power. Your arguments are tepid and fickle at best. The looks on the Alienware is not the all-consuming, the-one-and-only reason one should get it. It should only be part of the consideration.

This is considerably OT, but if you compare the specs on the processor/graphic cards between my Alienware and corad's Sager, based on benchmarks on notebookcheck.net, it is head-to-head. His Sager has the 9800M GT, compared to my 8800M GTX, and even though I did mention that the 9800M GT is a rebadged 8800M GTX, on benchmarks, his 9800M GT still has an advantage over my 8800M GTX, even if the amount is very very slight. Processor-wise, my X9000 would probably tops his T9400, but he may have set up his system with power-saving in mind. All-in-all, it's actually head-to-head. It's the other extras that balloons the differences between our systems.

I've read and considered a few options before taking this plunge, and I still am perfectly happy with my choice to go Alienware. I like the uniqueness of the chassis, not so much of the AlienFX lighting system. No matter how you weigh your options, I'm sure nobody can completely disregard the aspect of looks when it comes to their laptop purchases. Some may be able to stomach a plain chassis relatively easy, while others may want a particular look.

P/S: This may be a Wilayah Sager, but the Mothership patrols the skies.

Doubt so, Alienware is a big company and it takes time for small decisions like thermal paste to get approval. If you do decide not to buy an O/S on the Sager they pre-install Ubuntu on it, not freeDos. Talking about "marrying components" nicely, why does the Alienware sport DDR 667 instead of the faster 1066MHz RAM's which give a better FSB:RAM ratio ?

Looking at the configurator on the XoticPC, they dont offer anything but Arctic Silver 5. Having A choice? More like having the ILLUSION of choice, but the reality is, there is not choice. Might as well don't bother posting that, when that radio button only ticks off ONE choice.

Pre-installing Ubuntu on a machine that is meant to game, is an exercise in futility IMO. Unless there are games meant to stress the performance of the laptop under Ubuntu that I may have missed.  

As for for your DDR 667 vs 1066, I'm not overclocking this thing. Faster timing when you're not overclocking is a waste. Sure, there are performance benefits, but they are slight. If may be even restricted to the other components used, like the motherboard itself.

From Tom's Hardware review of the m15x at this link http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/dell-a...ook,1982-3.html:-

QUOTE

A solid graphics solution should be complemented by a good central processor, so our Area-51 m15x sample included Intel’s most powerful notebook component: the 2.8 GHz Core 2 Extreme X9000. As a result of power concerns, Intel-based notebooks generally sacrifice front side bus speed compared to the company’s desktop models. Case in point, the highest model X9000 processor runs on an 800 MHz front side bus, whereas the fastest workstation-oriented Core 2 Extremes run at 1600 MHz. It’s no surprise, then, that even a top-end notebook uses only DDR2-667, but at least Alienware upgraded ours to the maximum of 4GB.

Is it only me who's worried about what other people think ? someone here seems pretty intent on justifying his purchase too   

You see justifying, I see HAVING AN OPTION. Your weak excuse for excluding Alienware because of its "bling", can be easily countered by turning it off. Read the response again, and get the context right. 

Please do note that the only remark I made towards Alienware was that "it raises expectations too much" in the context of a class presentation. It was meant in good faith, and certainly if anyone in my lectuer brought an Alienware onto the stage, I would be expecting something good   
Please show me how I "lambasted" Alienware. Also you do realise you're in a Sager thread? Certainly you don't expect us to just sit there and listen to the preachings of Alienware   

So are you saying your presentations are substandard, or implying that those Alienwares gives the perception that the presentation HAVE to be good? Isn't that a good thing? It automatically makes you raise your level of expectation of how you should perform in class, and in presentation, and not to disappoint that perception, and most importantly, YOURSELF. Don't you want that, or are you inherently comfortable with just  "getting by" and passing at minimal grade?

The initial post I posted was a response to the "expectation" statement you posted, and meant without any nasty barbs and snides as of where we stand now. *I think* The responses were not meant to preach but to present a different view of your "expectation" statement. It has long deviated away from that, to nasty murkier waters.

P9400 

Touché, I stand corrected. Of a single alphabet. And oh, too, just in case I get misunderstood.

I've nothing against Alienware and I even congratulated you in your thread. My Sager does not overtake your m15x in terms of specs, but it does draw close. Remember to post some benchmarks for us when you get your laptop        *and preferbaly in your thread?*

"preferably". Sure will, and do drop by. I'll try to be the bigger person to have people dropping by their own consent without having to instigate and poke them with snide statements to actually drop by the thread.

stay on the look out for our SAM's then   

Mothership.....as in alien spacecraft, as in space? SAM wont cut it, probably reflecting the thing you're trying to do here. You'd be needing the Surface-to-Space ICBMs to even make that far. Your "Effort" would just sputter out. Peace!

So are you saying your presentations are substandard, or implying that those Alienwares gives the perception that the presentation HAVE to be good? Isn't that a good thing? It automatically makes you raise your level of expectation of how you should perform in class, and in presentation, and not to disappoint that perception, and most importantly, YOURSELF. Don't you want that, or are you inherently comfortable with just  "getting by" and passing at minimal grade?

Touché, I stand corrected. Of a single alphabet. And oh, too, just in case I get misunderstood.


"preferably". Sure will, and do drop by. I'll try to be the bigger person to have people dropping by their own consent without having to instigate and poke them with snide statements to actually drop by the thread.

Initially, wanted to put the responses in RED, but I'm keeping it BLUE instead. Don't want to put too much EXPECTATIONS on my responses, I may not do so well in the presentation of these responses. But I try to make it stand out a bit so that it wont get lost in the sea of plain-jane black on the text in here. Probably like the Sager itself too.

well fine som of you said that bling factor is not important....
fine.. simple question than...

Is sager NP8660 is an gaming notebook???

yes or not?? simple as that?? and i said noo....it not....great spec but not a gamming notebook

well fine som of you said that bling factor is not important....
fine.. simple question than...

Is sager NP8660 is an gaming notebook???

yes or not?? simple as that?? and i said noo....it not....great spec but not a gamming notebook

Well heroiuu, if you try to define gaming laptop in terms of components specification AND bling, you should buy this:



It is a Toshiba Qosmio X300-11S. Available in UK.

The specifications are:
Intel Core 2 Duo P8600 (2.4GHz, 3MB L2 cache, 1066MHz FSB)
NVIDIA GeForce 9700M GTS (GDDR3, 512MB dedicated memory)
4096MB DDR3 1066MHz of RAM
built-in Harman Kardon® stereo speaker system with 2 x bass reflex speakers, 2 x tweeter speakers and 1 x subwoofer technology
more.....

The laptop specification is a bit less powerful than threadstarter's Sager NP8660. So if you were given a choice only to choose between these two laptop, which one would you take? The Toshiba Qosmio X300-11S with fiery red bling bling at the cost of RM7k+ (£1199.99 incl. VAT) OR Sager NP8660 with a more powerful specification and at a lower price of RM6.1k but without a bling bling?

If you choose the Toshiba Qosmio X300-11S which cares only about the outer appearance of the laptop, then you are a fool because you are wasting your money. I know probably you ask why I bought this laptop instead of Sager? The answer is because I prefer a 17" laptop with a dedicated numpad as I frequently use it (I can add a normal keyboard but for me, its a bit redundant.) and I didn't really know about Sager until I came across this post.

Oh and if you are so rich and are willing to spend up to RM10k on a gaming laptop with blings (as in this topic), I can't understand why you cannot afford to study abroad like threadstarter and I did. In UK, you can get a better gaming laptop than in Malaysia.

Don't think that you being a MMU student doing whatever course (I presume that it will be a course related to computing since MMU is famous for that) is that great thinking that whatever gaming pheripal must have the bling factor so that you can show around how cool your laptop are with all the blings to others in your campus colleague. Maybe your mind is a bit redundant causing you to enter MMU  (I apologise to MMU students and ex who might get offended but I merely comment towards heroiuu  ).

Off-topic:
corad, I believe that you study in University of Cambridge since your sig shows that the ISP belongs to the University of Cambridge. If yes, what course are you studying?

Also, for those who are curious what is the 3dMark06 score for Toshiba Qosmio X300-11S, the score is 8303 (on Windows XP Professional SP3) but this is due to the fact that I cannot get a WHQL certified driver for my graphic card for Windows XP. It seems that as of the time of writing, NVIDIA haven't release GeForce 9M series driver for both XP (if they still support which I hope they will) and Vista. Toshiba website only listed WHQL certified Vista driver but none for XP.

If you choose the Toshiba Qosmio X300-11S which cares only about the outer appearance of the laptop, then you are a fool because you are wasting your money