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T-Mac1
post Jun 19 2010, 12:59 AM

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QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Jun 18 2010, 10:26 PM)
But the stock is no enough for us to buy
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some forumer on lyn still have stock for F3 1TB, I just bought 1 units Samsung F3 1TB from Hikari85 @ RM230 few day ago , but not sure now still got stock or not.

Just notice WD BLack 1TB 32MB @ RM280, WD Black 1TB 64 SATA III 6 Gb/s (WD1002FAEX) @ RM315
Which 1 is better? Does WD1002FAEX have any different if using on SATA II motherboard? or need to grab a new motherboard with support SATA III?
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=792
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post Jun 19 2010, 02:03 AM

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QUOTE(T-Mac1 @ Jun 19 2010, 12:59 AM)
some forumer on lyn still have stock for F3 1TB, I just bought 1 units Samsung F3 1TB from Hikari85 @ RM230 few day ago , but not sure now still got stock or not.

Just notice WD BLack 1TB 32MB @ RM280, WD Black 1TB 64 SATA III 6 Gb/s (WD1002FAEX) @ RM315
Which 1 is better?  Does WD1002FAEX have any different if using on SATA II motherboard? or need to grab a new motherboard with support SATA III?
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=792
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current HDD now is still unable to max out sata 2

Caviar Black 1tb 64mb cache, the only thing that uses sata 3 was the 64mb cache that does only a little perfomance gain, well i doubt that. HDD is still the bottleneck, and still cannot use even half of sata II. Let's forget about Sata III, unless you using SSD.
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post Jun 19 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(T-Mac1 @ Jun 19 2010, 12:59 AM)
Just notice WD BLack 1TB 32MB @ RM280, WD Black 1TB 64 SATA III 6 Gb/s (WD1002FAEX) @ RM315
Which 1 is better?  Does WD1002FAEX have any different if using on SATA II motherboard? or need to grab a new motherboard with support SATA III?
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=792
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HDD still far away to max out the Sata II capability.

In fact, currently Sata I is enough/about sufficient to handle HDD max performance (HDD model peformance varies, but majority won't even max out the Sata I)
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post Jun 19 2010, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2010, 12:06 AM)
Can easily shop around 5-6 shops around, none of them carry F3.
Even ask about Samsung HDD only old model F1 got.
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Is the 5-6 shops in Penang or KL?
QUOTE(fariz @ Jun 18 2010, 04:37 PM)
Samsung Launches 3.5" Spinpoint F4 320GB Hard Drive for High-Performance Computing
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Where're the ACTUAL or REAL WORLD benchmarks?

QUOTE(lok3i @ Jun 18 2010, 08:37 PM)
No wonder Samsung price drop like crazy.. Spinpoint F4 on da way..
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Samsung price drop like crazy not only b'cos Spinpoint F4 on da way. They drop price as a marketing strategy to capture and establish themselves in the HDD market. Now we are beginning to see more than just 2 major player - WD and Seagate!
This is good for us, consumer, no? wink.gif
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post Jun 19 2010, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ Jun 19 2010, 12:12 PM)
Is the 5-6 shops in Penang or KL?

Where're the ACTUAL or REAL WORLD benchmarks?

Samsung price drop like crazy not only b'cos Spinpoint F4 on da way. They drop price as a marketing strategy to capture and establish themselves in the HDD market. Now we are beginning to see more than just 2 major player - WD and Seagate!
This is good for us, consumer, no? wink.gif
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I think is Kl shop .But samsung hdd only have 3 years warranty compared with WD Black caviar with 5 years warranty .
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post Jun 19 2010, 03:02 PM

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SpinPoint F4 only 320GB, but it is a 320GB of storage capacity per one head in half platter http://www.samsung.com/us/business/semicon...do?news_id=1163

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post Jun 19 2010, 03:13 PM

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samsung turning hdd marketing pricing upside down. while intel turning ssd marketing price upside down.

Well, future, i was hoping to grab one SSD for system booting. let's hope intel will continue to forcing the price to drop down to hdd pricing.

maybe something like 160gb for RM200~300.
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post Jun 19 2010, 03:18 PM

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yup, Samsung hard disk is the cheapest among the other make

Samsung 2TB just RM370, neat
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post Jun 19 2010, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jun 19 2010, 03:13 PM)
samsung turning hdd marketing pricing upside down. while intel turning ssd marketing price upside down.

Well, future, i was hoping to grab one SSD for system booting. let's hope intel will continue to forcing the price to drop down to hdd pricing.

maybe something like 160gb for RM200~300.
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160GB for RM200-300, might need long wait.

Until now, there is no sign of massive dropdown of SSD price, even though there is news about this year end, there would be 50% drop in SSD, but it just merely they double the capacity, but price remain almost same, the so call 50% reduction is not in price.


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post Jun 19 2010, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2010, 03:55 PM)
160GB for RM200-300, might need long wait.

Until now, there is no sign of massive dropdown of SSD price, even though there is news about this year end, there would be 50% drop in SSD, but it just merely they double the capacity, but price remain almost same, the so call 50% reduction is not in price.
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well, it's still a 50% reduction.

For now 1GB cost around RM15.

Later 1GB cost around like RM7.5.

That's a huge improvement.

If that's the case, kingston and other brand will also be making changes unless they wanted to be left behind.
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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ Jun 19 2010, 04:38 PM)
well, it's still a 50% reduction.

For now 1GB cost around RM15.

Later 1GB cost around like RM7.5.

That's a huge improvement.

If that's the case, kingston and other brand will also be making changes unless they wanted to be left behind.
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Ordinary consumer doesn't want this.

As current 80GB SSD cost RM700-900 to own one as compared sub Rm200 for ordinary HDD as OS hardisk in a new built.
The difference is too huge and costly to ordinary consumer market.

What most like to see is 80GB price drop down 50% to Rm300-400 range, which become more affordable.
Not the like 160GB cost Rm700 (same with 80GB previously) but 80GB they obsolete it instead the price drop 50% to Rm300-400.

Ordinary consumer just want SSD for as OS disk to capitalise its performance.
People are not interested in using SSD as a storage disk.


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post Jun 19 2010, 08:50 PM

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if 64gb SSD (250MB/s, 175MB/s) at RM300 range, then it is much worth for consumer to use.
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post Jun 19 2010, 09:54 PM

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u guys use ssd.. install everything inside it or what?
i think the size is not suitable for me..
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 19 2010, 05:26 PM)
Ordinary consumer doesn't want this.

As current 80GB SSD cost RM700-900 to own one as compared sub Rm200 for ordinary HDD as OS hardisk in a new built.
The difference is too huge and costly to ordinary consumer market.

What most like to see is 80GB price drop down 50% to Rm300-400 range, which become more affordable.
Not the like 160GB cost Rm700 (same with 80GB previously) but 80GB they obsolete it instead the price drop 50% to Rm300-400.

Ordinary consumer just want SSD for as OS disk to capitalise its performance.
People are not interested in using SSD as a storage disk.

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Yes..i will wait for that day to came.. want to use ssd for OS..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 19 2010, 09:54 PM)
u guys use ssd.. install everything inside it or what?
i think the size is not suitable for me..
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not using SSD, what size is suitable for you?
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 19 2010, 09:54 PM)
u guys use ssd.. install everything inside it or what?
i think the size is not suitable for me..
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SSD advantage is when you use it as OS disk as you will see significant improvement in performance. A 80GB is more than sufficient to use a OS main disk. That's why prefer to see the 80GB price drop 50%, instead, they increase the capacity to 160GB, but price remain the same.

It is a bad choice for storage purpose due to the cost.
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err.. not for storage.. normally will install software everything..
or maybe games for performance..
nowadays also need alot of space.. so if install sure not enough..

that's why last time i even sell my raptor coz not enough space..
atleast need 250gb like that for primary hdd..
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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 19 2010, 11:24 PM)
err.. not for storage.. normally will install software everything..
or maybe games for performance..
nowadays also need alot of space.. so if install sure not enough..

that's why last time i even sell my raptor coz not enough space..
atleast need 250gb like that for primary hdd..
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i agree with this,
For desktop, we need atleast a bigger hdd atleast 150gb or more.
So the price would still be acceptable.

But what cherroy say is true as well, the reason is for Laptop user, for 80gb for RM300~400, that's hugely a very good improvement.

Instead, they choose to increase the capacity without decreasing the price is a major turn off for laptops, but for us as a desktop user, it's surely a good improvement. since 160gb is surely enough for software and games.

Now games is already 5~15gb, and software from 1mb to 5gb. For what i think 80gb isn't really enough. unless you're a light laptop user, something between you're travelling around with your laptop, working, sitting at starbucks online, a little bit of gaming. But having multiple games in 80gb ssd, is not possible.

This post has been edited by Cyclonechuah: Jun 20 2010, 12:06 AM
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Haha,this remind me when I bought my new rig few months ago,the shopkepper recommend me to buy 1 ssd but I din't.IMO,it is still not the time to do so until now,price wise.
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I don't quite understand the issue here. Wouldn't the 40GB be upgraded to 80GB? The only major issue I see would be the performance, since the number of channels would be the same. But hopefully other factors from the 25nm would come into play to make the new 80GB to perform as well.

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