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post Apr 29 2009, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Apr 9 2009, 10:52 PM)
Guys, will the wd 1tb green power best bang per buck for usage as storage, gaming and hd movies playback.
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For storage and HD movie playback, the 1 TB 32 MB cache Green Power (WD10EADS) is excellent because of its low power requirements and good transfer speeds. And the first 20% of the disk has about 80 MB/s transfer speed and good access time, which is more than good enough for gaming or the OS.

Yes, the Blue or Black stuff are much faster, but they are just wasted on mass storage duties.

If you are migrating from a slower hard disk, the WD10EADS is a reasonable choice for greater performance, decent pricing, cooler and less wattage required. nod.gif

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post Apr 29 2009, 11:35 PM

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The Green runs at 5400 rpm, compared to Blue or Black's 7200 rpm.

WD's official line is that the Green runs between 5400 and 7200 rpm.

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post Apr 29 2009, 11:54 PM

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Or to reduce power consumption.
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post May 1 2009, 07:56 PM

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I found this:

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Source: http://www.gamingshogun.com/Article/3623/W...ive_Review.html



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post May 1 2009, 09:15 PM

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I don't think so. I don't have hard data to back me up, but iianm the 640 GB actually had a higher areal density than the 1 TB so it can read/write more quickly.
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post May 3 2009, 10:27 PM

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WD2500JS and WD2500KS do not have reliable temperature sensors. Some says they report 10 to 20 degrees Celcius more than actual.
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post May 3 2009, 10:43 PM

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I haven't heard of any solution for this problem so far. Might not even be possible because there is no known pattern for the misreported temperatures.
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post May 4 2009, 09:11 AM

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QUOTE(Sphenix @ May 3 2009, 10:46 PM)
ic..... then perhaps warranty?? lolz
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No need to RMA. Other than bad temperature readings, your hard disk should be working fine. I have both the JS and KS, both misreports the temperature and both are still with me after three and two years.
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post May 7 2009, 08:55 PM

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QUOTE(Sphenix @ May 7 2009, 04:54 PM)
you guys know where is the nearest WD warranty center in PJ?
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From what I gather, the preferred method is to send it in via a shop. For PJ, Computer Wars in SS2 accepted one of my WD hard disks without requiring it to be sold by them.

QUOTE(ChingChong @ May 7 2009, 07:48 PM)
any recommendation for 1tb?
i saw at loyat selling cheap also less than rm320
good or not?
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The 1 TB 32 MB cache WD Green Caviar (model: WD10EADS) is good for its class. If you want to pay more for performance and other internal extras, the WD Black (model: WD1001FALS) is good for its class.

QUOTE(atomik @ May 7 2009, 08:19 PM)
last time i tot HDD is just same type as all brand line . but after finished reading all post here. realised i bought wrong HDD for my daily use.

WD640 GB is my latest HDD that 16MB Green.  cry.gif
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Could you benchmark your drive with HD Tune 2.55 and post the result up here? It should be interesting to see and you can then know if your HDD is suitable or not. Btw, could you please save as PNG and not as JPG.



I just found an article that can confirm that the 750 GB Green model uses 5400 rpm.
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We were able to confirm that our 750 GB Green Power had a spindle speed of 5,400 RPM by doing frequency analysis on a sound recording of it. Why sound? Sound is vibration; the pitch of the sound corresponds to the frequency of the vibration. Hard drives vibrate at the speed of their motor, so they produce a noise at the same frequency as their rotation speed. Our sample had a sharp spike at exactly 90 Hz (cycles per second). Multiplying that number by 60 (to get cycles per minute) yielded a measured rotation speed of 5,400 RPM.

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Source: WD Green Power: A New Benchmark in HDD Acoustics & Power

It also has very pretty graphics on the fourth page. Very interesting read from those who are very concerned about noise.
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post May 8 2009, 03:01 AM

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The WD6400AAKS is a Caviar Blue and the WD6400AACS is a Caviar Green, so you should get a different performance profile than jimmylim85 got. smile.gif
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post May 8 2009, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(atomik @ May 8 2009, 12:38 PM)
how to test the HDD? i just downloaded the HDD tune 2.55 and my benchmark w/o processing any program kinda weird. help me to test the HDD with HDD tune 2.55.  icon_question.gif


Added on May 8, 2009, 12:46 pmgood or bad? i dunno how to measure the HDD efficiency.  doh.gif
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atomik, yours is a Caviar Blue, like jimmylim85's, and not a Caviar Green. The performance should be just fine. It does perform better than the 1 TB 32 MB Caviar Green.

You should also either remove your attachment or replace it. Use the built-in screenshot function as shown in:

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Western Digital is aggressively seeking greater market share by producing innovative drives that fill niches never tackled before or creating new niches. With the Green Power, they managed to reach green-conscious PC users feeling guilty about buying extra storage capacity for movies, music and the rest. They also managed to reach those who seek lower noise. With the Velociraptor, they can actually reach both of those groups (since the drive is both quiet and low power) as well as the traditional power user to whom the Raptor series has always been marketed. That a drive can be the fastest, quietest, and lowest power desktop model available is quite a feat. We've never had a triple crown winner before. It's a major achievement.

That's only if the VelociRaptor is used bare out of the IcePack.

At the start of this review, we conjectured that the IcePack had two functions: To make the Velociraptor's native small size a non-factor for the potential DIY/enthusiast buyer and to help cool it. In restrospect, the second item is not one of its functions. This drive does not need special cooling, given the low power dissipation. No, the more important function is to help market the drive. We revise our earlier statement:

The IcePack has two functions, both directly related to sales and marketing:

  1. It make the Velociraptor's native small size a non-factor for the potential DIY/enthusiast buyer.
  2. It gives the Velociraptor a unique look and style that most PC enthusiasts, with their previous exposure to and experience with aftermarket heatsinks, will perceive as cool, powerful,and even sexy. It's for marketing appeal.

If the IcePack was engineered to be functional rather than to increase saleability, it would incorporate vibration damping. The absence of conduction for cooling is a non issue for a 4~6W drive that fits into the standard 3.5" tray in a modern PC case, because those trays are invariably just on the inside of the front vents where there is always at least some airflow. The tiniest bit of airflow across this drive (without the IcePack) is enough to keep it under a perfectly safe 40°C in a typical case. (We tried it.) As it stands, the IcePack is a joke, acoustically, adding all kinds of tonal, resonant harmonics excited by the vibrations of the drive.

Source: WD VelociRaptor: A Triple Crown
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It depends. A 32 MB cache will last 0.1 seconds at full SATA II speeds, so the RPM is still a big factor in how fast it can feed the CPU and replenish the cache. 7200 RPM drives can recover more quickly than the slower 5400 RPM drives.

But areal density is also another major factor. The more data you can store in an area, the less distance the disk heads need to move. That is why today's 5400 RPM can outperform 7200 RPM two or three generations ago and why the 5400 RPM one to three generations in the future will outperform your current 7200 RPM.

If you can get both high RPM and high areal density, then it is win win.
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post May 9 2009, 03:19 PM

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Or the Green. Both are the best in their respective categories.
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post May 9 2009, 07:35 PM

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Yes, the 1 TB 32 MB cache WD Green (model: WD10EADS). The 1 TB 16 MB WD Green is terrible.

You mean the firmware problem that Seagate had? No.
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Green doesn't necessarily have to be the slowest. The 1 TB 5400 RPM Green for example is much faster than the 250 GB 7200 RPM.
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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ May 14 2009, 12:38 PM)
one question here,

WD cavier black and green. which is more reliable? both 1TB. i need to replace my seagate crapacuda which fails me just after a several months sweat.gif
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If it was that easy, you would also know that the Seagate Crapacuda was crap months ago. tongue.gif

Until somebody gathers statistics on thousands of hard disks across a wide variety of users, do the analysis and publish the results, all you will get for asking this question is random luck.

Here's three pieces of advice coming from Google's R&D. One, if a hard disk is good in the first three months, it is likely to be good for most of its expected lifespan. Two, SMART, as it is, does not help much in predicting hard disk failures. Three, hard disk load is not a good predictor in hard disk failure.

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post May 15 2009, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ May 15 2009, 12:19 AM)
still i dont understand how does it relate on which should i buy? i know seagate hdd was crap months ago but i check and my hdd wasnt affected. anyway i want to replace it but im not sure which HDD to choose. Cavier black or green hmm.gif
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You shouldn't replace it if it is unaffected. And if it has already lasted more than three months, then it has passed Google's rule-of-thumb for hard disk reliability, making it is slightly more valuable than a fresh and untested hard disk.

If you intend to use the hard disks for mass storage (audio/video, images) then the Green is a good option because it performs well and is cheaper. If you need the most possible performance from a 1+ TB hard disk (gaming, OS), then you should take the Black.
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QUOTE(M.A.A @ May 15 2009, 10:49 AM)
sorry for noob question...
is it better to do partition on single hdd or better having another hdd..
purpose for storage n gaming...
if better do partition,gonna grab 1tb.if not mybe go for 160gb n 500gb
please comment..thanx
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I would choose partitioning, because the performance difference is practically non-existent.
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post May 16 2009, 11:48 PM

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Or mess with the wires.

The only problem I see is with Windows relabelling the drives, because it can't relabel or it will break almost every program, including itself. You will likely have to reinstall Windows, perhaps even repartition.
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Nice.

What if it was only two disks?

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