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cherroy
post Dec 30 2009, 11:52 PM

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QUOTE(Limited_AL @ Dec 30 2009, 11:08 PM)
3.0Gbps drives cannot connect with 6.0Gbps SATA is it?
Is thr such thing as a 6.0Gbps hard drive, 3.0Gbps drive or a 1.5Gbps drive,
or there is none?
Or JUST the SATA controller is 6.0 is it?
Im not pro int diz hard disk stuffs....
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Forget about Sata I, II or III (1.5G, 3G or 6G). At current point of technology and speed, HDD physical delivering speed nowhere near the Sata speed.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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post Jan 4 2010, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jan 3 2010, 02:34 PM)
Try HDDScan. It has a full surface scan feature... Would take a few hours depending on today's hard disk, that would serve the purpose - SMART & HDD intensive testing.
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With nowadays, std hdd size is about 500GB and above and main stream is 1TB, it is not a few hours, but nearly half a day. biggrin.gif
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post Jan 7 2010, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(alexei @ Jan 7 2010, 07:02 AM)
How much is WD10EARS - 1TB 64MB cache one...


Added on January 7, 2010, 7:54 amJust read about it a little bit on Anandtech, this is a 4k sector size disk, which won't work with Windows XP and before without proper pre-work.
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Mean existing XP machine won't recognise it?

What is those "pre-work"?

Sorry just read a bit, don't know the details of it.
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post Jan 16 2010, 04:29 PM

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QUOTE(beloved @ Jan 13 2010, 11:02 AM)
2. I wanna to add extra 1TB harddisk but I'm afraid my PSU (come with casing but good one) is not enough to support. What if I replace one of my existing harddisk?
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HDD consume very little W only, working at around 10W only. Somemore, HDD is not working full all the time one, a lot of time are idle or light usage only.

So it is very unlike those a few W extra needed will cause the PSU to power down (not enought power), as most set-up in most computer has extra PSU power left one if your existing PSU/CPU is working fine one.
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post Apr 20 2010, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ Apr 20 2010, 11:24 AM)
Get the Samsung, if it's cheaper.
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At the moment, Samsung is cheaper than the others across.

At least Rm20-40 cheaper depended on which model of capacity.

But I don't know why Samsung is significant cheaper than WD and Seagate.

Normally HDD price won't differ too much and always in tight range across, but currently Samsung gap vs others is quite large by HDD standard.
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post Apr 21 2010, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Apr 21 2010, 12:29 AM)
But I saw some site is saying the 750GB is actually using 2 platters but not sure what size
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2 platters that's mean must be 2 x 500GB.

750GB is considered odd size/capacity at the moment giving that manufacturers start moving to 500GB per platter.

Even for 334 GB per platter, 750GB still is an odd capacity.

750GB is suit to 250GB platter which I think soon will be offline.
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post Apr 27 2010, 04:25 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ Apr 27 2010, 03:47 PM)
Where do I find platter size review ? or something ? IF for a 500GB hard disk , how many platter they use ?
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It depended on their particular model.

Look for the model code/number, hit google and search, can easily get some review and details of it.

We cannot say 500GB must be 1 platter, as there are still some old models in the market. But manufacturers now has started to move into 500GB per platter as their primary product line.


Added on April 27, 2010, 4:28 pm
QUOTE(ycs @ Apr 27 2010, 10:15 AM)
what is the normal transfer speed between internal SATA drives?
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If not mistaken, SATA speed is way over the physical ability of HDD can transfer, aka read/write.

In other word, the speed is limit by HDD ability.

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post May 11 2010, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(StereophileDream @ May 10 2010, 07:37 PM)
Haha,thanks for pointing out the issue.But what disappointed me is that some so called 'high end' things isn't available in Malaysia.
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The problem is shops cannot earn from those "high end" hardware, because if the store has stock and cannot sell out or need sometimes to sell out the item, then the shop probably will make a loss by stocking it, as we know lastest and high end hardware tend to drop in price over time quite quickly. Margin already low to start with, if suffer losses due to stocking on a few high end stuff, then shop cannot survive.

So most shops stock those general range, mid to low end hardware which is the mainstream of most sold computer.
They stock what is the most popular hardware out there which has fast turnover rate.

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post May 28 2010, 01:38 PM

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Actually for ordinary users or non-sophiscated users, they won't notice much or at all, whether using Blue or Green version.

It is ok for ordinary usage even as the main OS disk.

The one noticeable surge in performance is SSD.
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post May 29 2010, 10:54 AM

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QUOTE(midnightproject @ May 29 2010, 01:17 AM)
how much hdd speed effect the pc performance? hmm.gif
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The slow window start up aka most take a minute plus or so is due to HDD.

We can have Sata II, III, IV. But HDD output rate aka write and read won't exceed Sata I speed capability.


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post Jun 4 2010, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(8tvt @ Jun 4 2010, 09:29 AM)
TRANSCEND USB3.0 atleast transfer faster..
reaching 90MB/s instead 40MB/s like usb 2.0
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90MB/s almost max out the HDD capability already.
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post Jun 7 2010, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(lms2005 @ Jun 7 2010, 02:00 PM)
check ur bios, if +12v lower than 12v consider overload.

try unplug hdd check again, if still under 12v possible PSU under power.
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It is normal for some PSU to supply 11.8v as well. There is a range of tolerance +/- which won't have any problem at all.


Added on June 7, 2010, 2:46 pm
QUOTE(Superkian @ Jun 7 2010, 12:15 PM)
how much power to supply 2 2TB hdd?
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HDD power consumption is quite low, one HDD consumer roughly 10-20W only.

1TB and 2TB different in power consumption could differ a few W only.

While HDD won't be spinning full all the time, in ordinary usage.

Especially for storage purpose one, mostly at idle stage.

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post Jun 8 2010, 11:11 AM

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QUOTE(StreetX @ Jun 8 2010, 09:59 AM)
Have u guys being try on 1TB WD Caviar Green before? Is that i'm the luckier guy or what, because I found that the HDD will become slow and slow and lastly even format need to take up to 1-2hours for only content Win OS data......
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For the size of 1TB, if format entire HDD (not quick format type), surely take a few hours to complete. sweat.gif
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post Jun 8 2010, 04:03 PM

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QUOTE(StreetX @ Jun 8 2010, 03:33 PM)
Hmm.... I don't think so.....
First time using quick format with install WinXP is take up to 50min

Within week by week, i become slow and slow via copy, paste document or install software......

And 1 month later.... it totally become like a snail.... -.-"

So I try repair the window.... but resulting failed.... because it will to copy WinXP file into the HDD....
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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I think you get the "advanced format" of 1TB which is not compatible with XP.

Quick format, don't need 50 min.
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post Jun 8 2010, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(leyley @ Jun 8 2010, 09:44 PM)
I am looking for a new HDD and I found those specs got buffer size 16MB & 32MB. Can buffer size increase the speed or what? sweat.gif
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Buffer size get you syiok for split second not even one second, biggrin.gif the difference between 16MB, then the rest depended on the disk performance, like how many platter, platter density etc.
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post Jun 9 2010, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(StreetX @ Jun 9 2010, 10:02 AM)
Thank you. To confirm with you that... is this will fasten the speed of formatting HDD?
Is that mean WinXP will damage WD10EARS HDD?
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Yes, you need WD align for XP to work with new 4K sector HDD, like 10EARS.

No, XP is not written/designed to recognise the new HDD with 4K sector. In the future, all HDD is expected come with 4K sector one.

It won't damge the HDD, but there is significant performance loss as your experience.

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post Jun 11 2010, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(DarkSilver @ Jun 11 2010, 02:20 AM)
I always saw Western Digital HDD got RMAed instead of Seagate and Samsung.
I think Samsung having high RMA rates can be voided here.

LUCK is indeed play in every hardware now a day.
It's more like each brand(except cap ayam) have about the same quality already, unlike the older days that some brands are lousy.
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WD sells more, so it is norm to see more of its HDD being RMAed.

It is about rate of RMAed, not quantity.

For eg.
XYZ sold 10 million HDD, so you could see 10000 HDD being RMAed, which look huge amount but the rate is 0.1% only
ABC sold 10k HDD, but you see 20 HDD being RMAed, which look negligible (so little HDD being RMAed), but the rate is higher at 0.2%.

So in term of quality wise, we said XYZ is better on average.


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QUOTE(everling @ Jun 11 2010, 06:12 PM)
Intel is planning a 50% price drop in SSD prices in Q4. Actually, they're planning to double capacity for the same price.
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This is not something good news.

I would rather they half the price with the same capacity instead double the capacity for the same price.

30-50G is sufficient as an OS main drive.

What hinder people to use SSD as main drive is the cost, too way expensive.
If slash price into half, then we could see lot of people start to install SSD as the main operating system drive.
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post Jun 19 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(law1777 @ Jun 18 2010, 06:46 PM)
F4 now!! omg something newer, faster and cooler.. but sure abit more expensive so nevermind for now just get the F3 now for its cheaper price
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But it stated F4 is for performance, server usage, which I reckon could be like WD enterprise grade one, which price wise may not as competitive, after all it is 320GB one.

QUOTE(limhongwoon @ Jun 18 2010, 10:26 PM)
But the stock is no enough for us to buy
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Yup, kinda agree on this issue.

It is very difficult to get a F3 out there. So no matter how cheap, how good the HDD is, if stock availability is not there, it is as good as none.

Can easily shop around 5-6 shops around, none of them carry F3.
Even ask about Samsung HDD only old model F1 got.
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post Jun 19 2010, 10:44 AM

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QUOTE(T-Mac1 @ Jun 19 2010, 12:59 AM)
Just notice WD BLack 1TB 32MB @ RM280, WD Black 1TB 64 SATA III 6 Gb/s (WD1002FAEX) @ RM315
Which 1 is better?  Does WD1002FAEX have any different if using on SATA II motherboard? or need to grab a new motherboard with support SATA III?
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=792
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HDD still far away to max out the Sata II capability.

In fact, currently Sata I is enough/about sufficient to handle HDD max performance (HDD model peformance varies, but majority won't even max out the Sata I)

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