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post Nov 2 2009, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Nov 2 2009, 10:35 PM)
if i were you, i'll go for green. i have seen both performance and its quite simliar. not really much significant difference in real life application. WD green doesnt mean that it will run slower to decrease the temp but to run intelligently to use lower power, reduce noise and temp. iinm, its call intelli seek.

for black, to me, its really a good hard disk but the major drawback i find about it is the temp. the temperature is quite high compared to green. but if you dont mind the high temperature, then i think you should go for it as it provides 5 years warranty compared to green which is only 3 years.

yet, the decision is in your hands smile.gif
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hmmm, regarding about the temp, my current WD green 500gb generally fix around 31C to 34C on 24/7 usage. if the black doesn't gets more than 40, i think it shld b fine for 24/7 usage i guess...But I've notice some benchmarks on things like using Max I/O output or wtv it isla, dunno those terms that it makes a diff in certain type of apps. So, is gaming and video encoding one of em? cuz if WD green doesn't make much diff, y ppl don't jz use em over black as the price alot cheaper. thx btw for yr feedbak, anybody else got opinion to add on this bout the green VS black thing (for the price vs performance vs temp/etc vs value aspect)?
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post Nov 2 2009, 11:17 PM

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Using WD10EADS 1TB now.
use it as 1tb drive didnt separate...hehe.
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post Nov 3 2009, 12:04 AM

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QUOTE(superb88 @ Nov 2 2009, 11:10 PM)
hmmm, regarding about the temp, my current WD green 500gb generally fix around 31C to 34C on 24/7 usage. if the black doesn't gets more than 40, i think it shld b fine for 24/7 usage i guess...But I've notice some benchmarks on things like using Max I/O output or wtv it isla, dunno those terms that it makes a diff in certain type of apps. So, is gaming and video encoding one of em? cuz if WD green doesn't make much diff, y ppl don't jz use em over black as the price alot cheaper. thx btw for yr feedbak, anybody else got opinion to add on this bout the green VS black thing (for the price vs performance vs temp/etc vs value aspect)?
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for value i dont think there is alot of difference too. the last time i check the price difference is around RM50 (depending on seller). and if you ask around for black user, their temp is ranging from 40 to 50c. mine on 24/7 usually around 45-50c. sometimes hit above 50c but rarely. for me, i get black because i wanna test its performance and dont forget it comes with 5 years warranty. but then, when i think back, if i get to choose again i'll get green rather than black. i dont like my hardware to hit such high temp laugh.gif

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Im planning to upgrade my pc speed by buying the 10k RPM veloci Raptor. Does using 10k RPM HDD reli can see noticable improvement in speed? does using 10k RPM HDD gave more effect than upgrading to better multiple processor?
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post Nov 3 2009, 12:55 AM

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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Nov 3 2009, 12:25 AM)
Im planning to upgrade my pc speed by buying the 10k RPM veloci Raptor. Does using 10k RPM HDD reli can see noticable improvement in speed? does using 10k RPM HDD gave more effect than upgrading to better multiple processor?
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In terms of app loading times, you'll definitely see a boost from a speedy 10K RPM HDD, but not as much as the performance boost you'll get from any decent SSD. Other than the aforementioned loading times, a VRaptor doesn't really give any other substantial benefits that would be had from getting a better CPU.
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QUOTE(LokiD.d.G @ Nov 3 2009, 12:55 AM)
In terms of app loading times, you'll definitely see a boost from a speedy 10K RPM HDD, but not as much as the performance boost you'll get from any decent SSD. Other than the aforementioned loading times, a VRaptor doesn't really give any other substantial benefits that would be had from getting a better CPU.
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So what about multitasking? For example. if currently my PC is abit lag+slow dealing with 1 games and 1 Adobe Illustrator program simultaneously, will upgrading to veloci raptor give improvement in multitasking those heavy application?

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post Nov 3 2009, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Nov 3 2009, 01:10 AM)
So what about multitasking? For example. if currently my PC is abit lag+slow dealing with 1 games and 1 Adobe Illustrator program simultaneously, will upgrading to veloci raptor give improvement in multitasking those heavy application?
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No. Using more RAM or a better processor is more likely to give you the performance boost you desire.
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post Nov 3 2009, 10:27 AM

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Just got Samsung F2 1.5TB few weeks ago


idle temps = 23'c

load = 27'c

this drive is like ice cool smile.gif

my other drives

WD 640AAKS = 35'c
WD 1TB Black = 37'c
WD 1TB EADS = 35'c
WD 1TB EACS = 35'c


looks like im gonna start samsung collection tongue.gif
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post Nov 3 2009, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(pergilahsayang @ Nov 3 2009, 01:10 AM)
So what about multitasking? For example. if currently my PC is abit lag+slow dealing with 1 games and 1 Adobe Illustrator program simultaneously, will upgrading to veloci raptor give improvement in multitasking those heavy application?
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People who bought SSDs swore they will never going back to an overpriced dinosaur.

Also the Velociraptor has aged. It's only edge compared to other platters is fast random access time as it has lost the average and maximum data transfer rate to the 2 TB drives.

It's rather recommended to either buy a normal HDD or get an SSD using either Intel or Indilinx controllers. I'm saving up and waiting for an SSD to buy.
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QUOTE(everling @ Nov 3 2009, 04:26 PM)
Also the Velociraptor has aged. It's only edge compared to other platters is fast random access time as it has lost the average and maximum data transfer rate to the 2 TB drives.
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And when comparing the 150GB VRaptor to the similarly priced OCZ Agility 30GB the differences in flash based memory access times will become painfully apparent.
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post Nov 3 2009, 05:59 PM

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QUOTE(valent @ Nov 3 2009, 10:27 AM)
Just got Samsung F2 1.5TB few weeks ago
idle temps = 23'c

load = 27'c

this drive is like ice cool smile.gif

my other drives

WD 640AAKS = 35'c
WD 1TB Black = 37'c
WD 1TB EADS = 35'c
WD 1TB EACS = 35'c
looks like im gonna start samsung collection tongue.gif
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wah bro...so much diff the temp? ALL the drives in the same casing is it? if it is so, its rly good but the drive is 5400rpm only rite? speed ok bo?, btw WD EADS is the newer 1 compare to EACS rite? both also green version? noob Q here... sweat.gif
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post Nov 3 2009, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(Loki D.d.G)
And when comparing the 150GB VRaptor to the similarly priced OCZ Agility 30GB the differences in flash based memory access times will become painfully apparent.

It is not advised to buy too small a capacity. Current SSDs performs best when about 25% of its capacity is free. I think with TRIM support, that performance barrier is lifted.

Also, Kingston's 40 GB SSD based on Intel tech performs weaker than the 80 GB or 160 GB because it doesn't have as many chips to work in parallel with.

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btw WD EADS is the newer 1 compare to EACS rite? both also green version?

Yes, both WD10EACS (16 MB cache) and WD10EADS (32 MB cache) are of the Caviar Green family. Avoid the WD10EACS as it performs poorly.
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QUOTE(everling @ Nov 3 2009, 08:09 PM)
It is not advised to buy too small a capacity. Current SSDs performs best when about 25% of its capacity is free. I think with TRIM support, that performance barrier is lifted.

Also, Kingston's 40 GB SSD based on Intel tech performs weaker than the 80 GB or 160 GB because it doesn't have as many chips to work in parallel with.
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I was making the comparison because they were similarly priced. But heck, theoretically, even if you just install your OS on the SSD and put everything else on your HDD, it would still give better performance than the VRaptor.
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post Nov 4 2009, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(ham_revilo @ Nov 3 2009, 12:04 AM)
for value i dont think there is alot of difference too. the last time i check the price difference is around RM50 (depending on seller). and if you ask around for black user, their temp is ranging from 40 to 50c. mine on 24/7 usually around 45-50c. sometimes hit above 50c but rarely. for me, i get black because i wanna test its performance and dont forget it comes with 5 years warranty. but then, when i think back, if i get to choose again i'll get green rather than black. i dont like my hardware to hit such high temp laugh.gif
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though i've received a few replies, i still would lk more inputs on the black vs green thing...
yr temp doesn't look very appealing 2 me, my current 500gb WD green averaged a T of 30 - 35, so if i'll put it into my same casing, how much the T i should b expecting? anybody can help predict? if its 40-50, it would b consider quite high 4 me...btw in term of performance, is it rly noticeable? cuz the price diff is bout RM40-50, and plus the fact that green's cooler and less noise & etc which r all d disadvantageous of black. I dunno which 1 i should go for now but this'll b my primary desktop driveLA. If WD made black without its 'weaknesses', no doubt i'll go 4 it ad...but now i jz feel hard 2 justify spending more and if 'the performance' is not noticeable plus the added disadvantages, Y bother 2 go black rite? I ad browse through many reviews & still can't make up my mind. for example a good review on the WD green

seems lk they say new WD green the WD10EADS has alot better in performance, lk here

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/green-...1tb,2078-2.html

i dun rly know wat the comparison rly meanla, but from the nums, is it good enough as a primary OS drive? Again, i do light to moderate gaming, but heavily on video encoding/burning/photoshop etc. Plus I lk to multitask alot...will black give me a justifiable performance boost? and worth spending more money? plus the added disadvantages of it lk d not so good temp that come with it? which 1 u all will choose?

sry guys..jz having hard time making up my mind here....WD1001FALS vs WD10EADS, pls help out ya, THX alot notworthy.gif

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post Nov 4 2009, 11:20 AM

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I'm currently using a WD10EADS as my primary and I don't have any experience to compare with against the WD1001FALS, but I will say that the WD10EADS can be used as a primary drive. At the least, it's faster than my previous 250 GB 7200 RPM drive.

Then again, the WD10EADS is an old drive. You should consider other hard drives in the same class. For instance, Samsung's SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ 1 TB. It has a higher throughput rate than even the WD1001FALS because the HD103SJ uses two 500 GB platters compared to WD1001FALS's three 333 GB platters. Unfortunately, I have no idea on its access times, current availability and pricing.

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QUOTE(everling @ Nov 4 2009, 11:20 AM)
I'm currently using a WD10EADS as my primary and I don't have any experience to compare with against the WD1001FALS, but I will say that the WD10EADS can be used as a primary drive. At the least, it's faster than my previous 250 GB 7200 RPM drive.

Then again, the WD10EADS is an old drive. You should consider other hard drives in the same class. For instance, Samsung's SpinPoint F3 HD103SJ 1 TB. It has a higher throughput rate than even the WD1001FALS because the HD103SJ uses two 500 GB platters compared to WD1001FALS's three 333 GB platters. Unfortunately, I have no idea on its access times, current availability and pricing.
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oh yea, the samsung f3 1tb, read a review on it, and it seems good and extremely fast...I think it should b priced somewhere around WD10EADS & WD1001FALS, not sure wat it will b in LY plaza..i think its not available yet.

Cuz I sort of have tendency 2 choose WD cuz i feel that its reliable as I had seagates dying prematurely on me b4...SAMSUNG's sounds new to the business, nvr heard of it few yrs bak...***mayb cuz i nvr keep myself up 2 date

but SAMsung's reliability's good? any comments? I like em becuz it seems lk the all in one package & they don't give me dilemma with the green and black thing... rclxub.gif
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Is there a reason why SSDs are not made in 3.5" sizes to fit in more NAND chips?
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QUOTE(engseng @ Nov 4 2009, 04:17 PM)
Is there a reason why SSDs are not made in 3.5" sizes to fit in more NAND chips?
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I think SSD is for laptop 1
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QUOTE(superb88 @ Nov 4 2009, 02:11 PM)
Cuz I sort of have tendency 2 choose WD cuz i feel that its reliable as I had seagates dying prematurely on me b4...SAMSUNG's sounds new to the business, nvr heard of it few yrs bak...***mayb cuz i nvr keep myself up 2 date

but SAMsung's reliability's good? any comments? I like em becuz it seems lk the all in one package & they don't give me dilemma with the green and black thing... rclxub.gif
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Many complete system manufacturers have been using HDDs from OEMs such as Samsung and Hitachi for some time now.

I don't have any personal experience with a Samsung drive, but it does seem to be an extremely popular choice here in the States. In fact their new F3 is all the rage with system builders right now. At least those I know of or read about.

QUOTE(engseng @ Nov 4 2009, 03:17 PM)
Is there a reason why SSDs are not made in 3.5" sizes to fit in more NAND chips?
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Even a basic 2.5" 30GB SSD is so bloody expensive. Mind speculating how much a 3.5" 90GB one will cost?

I think the current 2.5" form factor is just right for SSDs. Once capacities start to explode, we could see the advent of 3.5" drives instead. On the other hand, chip shrinking could stop that from happening altogether.
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Hi...I got some question...I dropped 1 of my harddisk on the floor....The heigh was about half a meter....When i plug back into the comp it was still working...But the System feels like hang hang abit....Lets say i opening a huge file...it will take a moment to react....compared to last time b3fore drop...it was normal...Isit faulty ?

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