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post Oct 27 2009, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 27 2009, 02:01 PM)
Any idea on how much an Intel G2 160 GB costs and where we can get one?
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last i checked with the retailer, they say supplier quoted RM1.8K for the 160GB G2 which IMO is darn expensive..

i believe the SRP quoted by intel for the 160GB is ~420USD
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 27 2009, 02:01 PM)
It's possible to defrag, but you'll lose a tiny bit of lifespan and it's not needed. Heavy fragmentation causes a performance drop in HDDs, which can go below 1 MB/s read/write. SSDs with good controllers (Intel or Indilinx) won't notice it, and Intel's will maintain random read/write at 60 MB/s.

Any idea on how much an Intel G2 160 GB costs and where we can get one?
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Er, I don't think the read speeds of a SSD is affected by fragmentation at all. What happens when fragmentation or data clutters occur is the general degradation of write performance, random and sequential alike. It's because of how the SSD handles write operations with it having to clear entire used blocks before rewriting the new data. Read speeds on the other hand don't change by much, if at all, along the entire lifespan of a SSD. Though the problem with cluttered SSDs should be solved now that Windows 7 is out and supporting the TRIM command which allows the SSDs controller to actually delete data when it is required as opposed to your OS merely flagging said data as deleted.

Also, why do you need so much storage for your SSD? Wouldn't a 80GB SSD plus a 1TB HDD suffice for all your applications?
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post Oct 27 2009, 05:45 PM

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hi guys, i have a problem with my WD640gb hdd.....2day, it pop out a error stating that my drive have SMART Fail...and i have confirm this with d WD Diagnostic in where i cant run d diagnostic either quick test o external and ActiveSmart which too have detected SMART failure which show one of d attribute is BAD (which is this 'Reallocated sectors count')....

and from what i have research from google, many state that once a HDD has SMART failure, this reason is good enough to get it to RMA...

i wan to know is this true? as i still have d warranty left and i dun wan to lost any future data....plz advice...thxs
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What is SMART ?
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post Oct 27 2009, 10:07 PM

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so bro -pws-...should i go and RMA it?
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post Oct 28 2009, 02:03 PM

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QUOTE(LokiD.d.G @ Oct 27 2009, 05:40 PM)
Also, why do you need so much storage for your SSD? Wouldn't a 80GB SSD plus a 1TB HDD suffice for all your applications?
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True, but I was wondering how much cheaper the 160 GB is on a RM per GB basis.

QUOTE(sai86 @ Oct 27 2009, 05:45 PM)
hi guys, i have a problem with my WD640gb hdd.....2day, it pop out a error stating that my drive have SMART Fail...and i have confirm this with d WD Diagnostic in where i cant run d diagnostic either quick test o external and ActiveSmart which too have detected SMART failure which show one of d attribute is BAD (which is this 'Reallocated sectors count')....

and from what i have research from google, many state that once a HDD has SMART failure, this reason is good enough to get it to RMA...

i wan to know is this true? as i still have d warranty left and i dun wan to lost any future data....plz advice...thxs
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I think you can send it to the shop for RMA.

If it's still accessible, you should backup all your data. There's a good chance, despite telling them otherwise, that they'll simply give you back another empty replacement hard disk because they think it's too troublesome to fix it.

If you have any personal files, you may want to securely delete them. Windows doesn't have the ability to securely delete files. CCleaner provides the feature for free, but you'll need to turn it on to at least 'Simple Overwrite' in the 'Options' > 'Settings'.
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 28 2009, 02:03 PM)
True, but I was wondering how much cheaper the 160 GB is on a RM per GB basis.
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On Newegg, the 80GB retail model costs $299 while its 160GB counterpart is $659. If Malaysian prices are similar, then you'll have your answer. But the problem is, I cant seem to find a single shop listing the 160GB model's retail price.
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I test SMART on my two Seagate hdd by using Seatools by result is failed
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post Oct 28 2009, 10:34 PM

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well...my smart failed...but the external test pass....=="...gonna use it till it down since i hav already backup my data....
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post Oct 29 2009, 01:19 PM

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Since SSD drives are so small to store everything you have, one thing you guys can do is to install Windows and the applications on the Intel SSD drive, and install your data on your normal HDD. That way you can start up your programs faster.
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QUOTE(engseng @ Oct 29 2009, 01:19 PM)
Since SSD drives are so small to store everything you have, one thing you guys can do is to install Windows and the applications on the Intel SSD drive, and install your data on your normal HDD. That way you can start up your programs faster.
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Er, I think anyone seriously considering a SSD would have come across that recommendation before. A slightly more advanced version encompasses the relocation of your entire user profile on a separate HDD to further save space.
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I wouldn't recommend moving your user profile. One of the more noticeable issues to me is that it takes forever for my Start Menu to list the shortcuts available from a cold start. SSDs excel with thousands of little files or shortcuts.

A simpler solution would be to simply not store anything big within your user profile. Be anal about it. If it was big or worth keeping, it should be stored outside of the OS partition anyway. And run CCleaner or similar programs, say once a week, to keep the rubbish out of your temporary folders.
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QUOTE(everling @ Oct 30 2009, 03:24 PM)
I wouldn't recommend moving your user profile. One of the more noticeable issues to me is that it takes forever for my Start Menu to list the shortcuts available from a cold start. SSDs excel with thousands of little files or shortcuts.

A simpler solution would be to simply not store anything big within your user profile. Be anal about it. If it was big or worth keeping, it should be stored outside of the OS partition anyway. And run CCleaner or similar programs, say once a week, to keep the rubbish out of your temporary folders.
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True, but all those random writes are bound to clog up your SSD in no time which would drastically reduce its performance. Until Intel sorts out its TRIM command, this is gonna be one big headache.

Also running CCleaner without the TRIM command is useless. It'll simply make your OS flag the temporary files as deleted without actually passing down that command to the SSD controller meaning your files wont get physically deleted anyway.
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any news about 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 (yes F3 not F1) yet? is it already available at Lowyat? Coz im aiming for this hd.
(2nd choice is 1TB Western Digital Caviar Black)

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post Oct 31 2009, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(LokiD.d.G @ Oct 30 2009, 03:48 PM)
True, but all those random writes are bound to clog up your SSD in no time which would drastically reduce its performance. Until Intel sorts out its TRIM command, this is gonna be one big headache.

Also running CCleaner without the TRIM command is useless. It'll simply make your OS flag the temporary files as deleted without actually passing down that command to the SSD controller meaning your files wont get physically deleted anyway.
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Not in no time. It may take many months before all that shortcuts and tiny temporary files start to have a noticeable negative effect. By then, you'll have your TRIM command and the utilities to clean up older unTRIMed stuff.

I do hope CCleaner will be able to issue TRIM commands, if it doesn't already use the OS APIs that would automatically calls it. My only concern is wear leveling making secure erase ineffective.
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hi all sifus,

i just bought a 500gb sata western hard drive. i plugged it to my motherboard and ran it but my system could only detect it as 128gb.

my system
os: XP pro
Motherboard: http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=P4i65G
ram : 2 x 512mb
hardisk 1 : 80gb hitachi ide
hardisk 2 : 500gb western sata(the new one)

is it because XP is too old to detect the 500gb or is it because of the motherboard? i went back to the shop and the technician could detect and opened up all 500gb for me but when i plugged it back my system could only say it is a RAW hard drive without any size. then i tried using xp to format but it would it say only 127~128 gb and not 500gb.
i tried using another tool partition magic 8.0 but it would only read the harddisk as 'bad'. dunno what that means but i could use the harddisk normally but limited to only 127gb.

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Hi,
Any body is Samsung Story Station 1.5TB user? How's the it? Reliable or not?
Thank you.
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hei, i'm planning to buy to upgrade my desktop capacity, i'm still pondering between Western digital caviar green 1.5TB vs Western digital caviar black 1TB, I seriously do have alot of stuffs to store which is y 1.5tb appeals me, but I'm actually using it for a primary desktop drive for my OS, plus i do light gaming AND alot of video encoding/editing/dvd burning... I was wondering whether the black or the green make alot of diff? I know black = performance, green = power saving BUT I'm still wondering for the stuffs i do, will it enhanced my performance if i go black? I'm currently using WD 500gb green, love the temp, performance seem OK...
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QUOTE(superb88 @ Nov 2 2009, 07:19 PM)
hei, i'm planning to buy to upgrade my desktop capacity, i'm still pondering between Western digital caviar green 1.5TB vs Western digital caviar black 1TB, I seriously do have alot of stuffs to store which is y 1.5tb appeals me, but I'm actually using it for a primary desktop drive for my OS, plus i do light gaming AND alot of video encoding/editing/dvd burning... I was wondering whether the black or the green make alot of diff? I know black = performance, green = power saving BUT I'm still wondering for the stuffs i do, will it enhanced my performance if i go black? I'm currently using WD 500gb green, love the temp, performance seem OK...
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if i were you, i'll go for green. i have seen both performance and its quite simliar. not really much significant difference in real life application. WD green doesnt mean that it will run slower to decrease the temp but to run intelligently to use lower power, reduce noise and temp. iinm, its call intelli seek.

for black, to me, its really a good hard disk but the major drawback i find about it is the temp. the temperature is quite high compared to green. but if you dont mind the high temperature, then i think you should go for it as it provides 5 years warranty compared to green which is only 3 years.

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