Our V7 http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/723439

Introduction

Sugar gliders are little marsupials that have been taken as exotic pets in many countries. These creatures are different from normal pet rodents like hamsters, mice and rats. They have character, mood swings, emotional bonds and the sweetest nature for a pet that comes in such a small package. Commonly mistaken as flying squirrels, Sugar gliders can be both easy and hard to take care. Their general care is much more complicated than pet rodents and they require alot of affection and attention from its owners. Look at it this way, gliders are like 3 year old kids.... they act cute and can annoy us sometimes while at the same time needs our total attention and bond.

Sugar gliders are tiny gliding opossums from Indonesia, New Guinea, New Zealand and Australia. The gliders that we get as pets in Malaysia are mostly from Indonesia as the other countries limit or does not allow native animals to be exported in the pet trade. Wild sugar gliders live in colonies of 6 to 15 animals in tree hollows or other nests made of vegetation. They are nocturnal so will mainly spend most of their day time asleep, only waking up at early mornings and late at night to forage for food.

An adult sugar glider is about the size of a flying squirrel, approximately 5 to 7 inches long from tip of nose to base of tail. Adults in proper body condition weigh about 120g. The tail is fluffy, often curls on the end and usually is longer than the body length.

Sugar glider joeys are normally a nice slivery grey but as they age, they will shed away this soft joey coat and replace with their true colours. Some glider colours that we have here are the normal greys and a few shades of browns. Some would turn brown if they constantly stay in coconuts coz it stains the fur. You should not worry about the colour for each sugar glider is unique in its own little way.

Where to get a joey? What age and size?

Petshops and suppliers do sell Sugar Gliders but please be aware if the age and size. Some shops may tell you that the younger the joey, the better but do remember, these animals when young needs milk to stay healthy. Also, our local pet milk or cows milk is not suitable since marsupials cannot tolerate lactose that is higher than 3.5%.

A guide to know which is the right age and which is not.


Never get a joey that looks like this:

Original photo by Hun







Photos as reference from www.glideruniversity.org

Underaged sugar gliders..... never get joeys that look like the ones in these pictures. They still need their mother's milk and warmth, they need more attention and more work than properly weaned joeys. Those pics, the joeys are only 3 weeks old Out Of Pouch.... joeys should be separated when they are more than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch... and that is the minimum age. The best age is actually 3 months....

Some people have experience their joeys dying... WHY? Coz the joey is too young, it is depressed and stressed.... a joey that young that is depress will not have any appetite for food, will catch cold and die coz it gives up living.

You should be getting joeys that look like these:


Orginal Photos by Reanne


Original Photo by Hun

Do get joeys that are older than 8 weeks Out Of Pouch. Never trust what petshops says. If you would like to get from a supplier but have no idea how to see the age or if the seller is responsible, do PM Reanne, krynzpeaches or crazymouse_yyh for guidance and information.

There are many sellers and suppliers here in LYN, so please beware of them. Some may tempt you into getting an underage joey by giving you false information. Some may sell you a pair package in order for a quick sales. Do your research first before buying.

There are a few good homebreeders here but they only have a few joeys available once or twice a year, so this is why it is hard to come about homebreeders.

Sugar Gliders as Pets

Tame Sugar Gliders just make the perfect pocket pet for they can travel anywhere with us in a little bonding pouch. They got happy little personalities that love to play and have physical contact with us. These creatures need attention. They are 100% social animals that live in small colonies in the wild. When we keep them in captivity, we must be able to give them a lot of attention and time. Play, bond, touching and feeding are all little things that we must do each day in order for our gliders to be perfect little healthy pets.

Gliders can live 10 to 15 years in captivity so they are considered a long term commitment. Make sure you can actually care for the glider for about 10 years before you get one.

Gliders are not like dogs, where you can train it with a leash and harness or collar and they can do tricks and come when called. Sugar gliders got minds of toddlers or young children. They need to be socialized and trained as soon as you get them but do not train them as if you would train a puppy. No, they would not react to "Good Boy/Girl, shake hand and beg" kind of training and tricks. Gliders require a soft human touch when training. They can be trained to know their names, just be patient and repeat their names when you cuddle them, handle them, feed them and during play. Gliders will never know where to defecate and relieve themselves like cats and dogs. Litter boxes would not work. These creatures would do it anywhere they please.

Also, gliders are not really domesticated so they do have a few wild habits like scent marking, chewing and gnawing on items or us and also climbing all sorts of high places.

A fact to remember, sugar gliders glide, they do not fly so don't be a genius and try to make your glider fly like a bird. Sugar gliders have a gliding membrane that connects their front paws to their back feet. They will spread open when there is a need to glide. This is why harnesses and leashes should never be on them for it could tear the membrane and hurt them.

Important items to have before purchasing a glider!

- A bounding Pouch and sleeping pouch
- A large cage suitable for the glider in the long run
- Fruits and glider mix (eg: GliderSLURP!™) with supplements
- A container of mealworms or crickets
- Knowledge on sugar gliders and joey care
- Get in touch with someone that has experience with gliders.

Males or Females?

It is best not to get a male and female pair. Why is that so? Well, a glider can live for 8 to 12 years on average. A glider can readily breed once mature, some would start breeding at 8 months old while some start only at 2 years. Yes, it may sound tempting to have little joeys but can you be that dedicated? To sell one off can also be heartbreaking for you. So to avoid such pain and also overbreeding for gliders, you should either have a single sex pair or get the male castrated if with a female.

Is there any difference with males and females? Physically yes, females have a pouch on their tummy, it is like a belly button-kind of opening. Males would have their testicles looking like hanging cherries. The males when they mature, would develop a bald patch on its head. This is normal. The bald patch is the scent gland. Males have another scent gland on their chest and also at the anal area. Females do have scent glands to but only at the anal area.

Males musk, means covering their scent all over their territory. Females will mark but very little.

2 males can get along well if there are no females around. But 2 males can fight if a female is about coz they would fight over breeding rights. 2 females get along well too.

If you want to keep a male without all the musking and territorial attitude, get it neutered at a qualified and experience vet. Remember, your pet can live up to 10 years so make the right decision.

If you are thinking about breeding, please please please do read the caresheets and also research more on glider breeding. This is not simple and in the long run, over breeding can stress a glider and can cause it to have a short life span. Not healthy for them.

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General Breeding Information

In this forum, we do not encourage breeding if you do not have the time and knowledge but here are a few websites to guide you if you are curious to know. Also it has pictures and about joey growth:

http://www.petsugargliders.com/sggrowth.php

About milk for gliders:
http://www.pygmypets.com/sg8.html

Good Care Sheets:
http://www.sugarglidercentral.com/wiki/ind...ider_Care_Sheet
http://www.exoticpetvet.com/breeds/sugarglider.htm
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-care.htm
http://ksks.essortment.com/sugarglidercar_rdxi.htm
http://www.sugargliderbabies.com/info.htm
http://www.thesugarshack.com/
http://thepetglider.com/index/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/19/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/cont...tegory/5/25/64/
http://www.glideruniversity.org/index/content/view/36/64/

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 4 2008, 02:45 PM

Housing

Adult gliders can tolerate a temperature range of 18�-31�C. If you ever keep in an air condition room, never keep the cage directly under the air flow of the glider could catch a cold. Recommended temperature for an air cond room with gliders would be 23�C to 26�C. Gliders in air cond rooms would need warm bedding like fleece or old tshirts to keep them warm in their pouches. Why pouches? Firstly, it is soft and warm, it is also very comfortable and easy to clean and wash. Try and avoid hideboxes for hamsters and birds, coconuts with holes, plastic bird houses. These things just causes your glider to hide more from you and it is hard to clean and also to get your glider out of the hidebox or coconut. A timid glider may become over protective of it's coconut or box and will be harder to tempt it out than a glider that is in a sleeping pouch. Fabric for the pouches should be absorbent materials such as fleece or cotton because it keeps humidity from building up inside, and also "breathe" so that moisture and smells don't build up. It's also easy to wash. If you use materials such as plastic or glazed ceramic, your gliders will eventually take on a brownish tinge as their fur is stained by the trapped moisture, and they probably won't smell as nice as they should.

As for cages, the bigger it is, the better for gliders! Do not be fooled by people saying that hamster cages are good enough or fish tanks. Even small bird cages are too small for them.

Here are some pictures from the Internet as an example of suitable cages:


Dimension: 30"Length x 18"Depth x 55"Height.


Dimension: 18" x 14" x 34"


Dimensions: 60" tall x 30" wide x 30" deep


Dimensions: 19" X 28" X 72


Cage is available at Pet Shack(Sunway Mentari), Pet Safari(Ikano), Petaling Street petshops, depending on quality, prices are around RM100 or more.

Websites on sugar glider cages, even a How To page:
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://exoticpets.about.com/cs/sugarglider...rglidercage.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/facehugger/cageplans.html

You can use coconut decorative pots but make sure they are not glazed. Polished ones are ok.
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=Atta...=post&id=214243

You can get creative with cage accessories. You can use plastic link chains, twine rope, nylon rope, hammocks, flower pots... the list just goes on with your creativity. Check out Garage Sales for sleeping pouches that are a must have for gliders.


Wooden toys for birds do make excellent toys for gliders.

Gliders are arboreal, they need lots of climbing exercise. You can get hold of ExoTerra Vines and make a creeping perch for your gliders to climb up on. Get hold of safe non-toxic branches and use natural fine twine to create climbing ladders or stands, make it up to your own creativity.

Besides climbing material, gliders do love to run on wheels so getting a quality wheel is good for their health. The safest wheel for gliders are Wodent Wheels, which are available only at Pet Shack. So get yourself a wheel. No other places carry this wonderful wheel which your glider would enjoy running and playing on.



Bedding and Cage Substrate

Now it must seem that sugar gliders look like rodents, so some petshops would recommend you to buy hamster wood shavings for your gliders. This is a very big mistake. Never use hamster wood shavings on gliders for the wood would secrete phenols which could cause lung damage in the long run.

Gliders love to sleep in their hideboxes or coconuts or sleeping pouches but they do love it when there is something soft for snuggling. Do not give our normal bath towels. You can just use plain old soft tissue paper. Fleece pieces could be made into blankets. Another safe material would be our cotton tshirts. Get 1 of those Rm3.90 cotton tshirts from Carrefour or Giant hypermarkets and cut the shirt into little pieces. Make sure there are no strings or holes in it. The reason why tissue paper, fleece and cotton tshirts are recommended is that very often gliders like to chew and kick around the material. Stringy towels or holey cloths would tangle the gliders, causing the lost of limbs or worst, death from suffocation. Also, never use sponge or pure cotton.

As for cage substrate, always make sure there is a wire mesh separating the gliders from the substrate at least with a 1 inch gap. You can use plain old newspaper, corn cob bedding, Breeder's Celect Recycled Paper cat litter, Litter Star silicon cat litter pellets or Careline Wood base cat litter. All this can be found in Pet Safari.

For cage accessories, you can contact krynzpeaches

For cages good for gliders, you can contact jtl

Diet/Nutrition written by krynzpeaches

A good and balanced diet can make all the difference not only to humans, but Sugar Gliders too! This will ensure a healthy and long happy life as well as a more clean and slightly better smelling environment

Like the saying "We are what we eat..." So don't take lightly on their diet.

Sugar gliders thrive on sweet substance just like their name, however they cannot take simple sugar like we do, the sweetness must come from natural sources such as fruits. In the wild they require sweet substance from nectar, tree sap, manna, honeydew and fruits, so in captivity, to simulate as close to this, we must provide them with a variety of fresh fruits daily.

Sugar gliders are omnivorous meaning, they don't only need fruits in their diet but insects too for their protein intake. In the wild they get to chase and eat a variety type of insects, but in captivity we normally give them farm raised* meal worms, crickets or boiled chicken meat for their protein. Although there are other types of insects that can be given to sugar gliders, unfortunately we do not have them available here in Malaysia.

DO NOT feed your sugar gliders insects that is captured in your backyard or house compound area, they may contain harmful pesticides that can cause illness to your sugar glider.

For captive sugar gliders, it is also very important to provide them with a daily staple food which can either be a pre-set feeds** that are meant for omnivorous animals or mixes. Unfortunately there is NO pre-set feeds available for sugar gliders in Malaysia. Luckily mixes are something that we can whip up ourselves or be purchased on LYN To make your own mixes, there are plenty of the recipes available in the net, however, personally I feel that we need to make a few adjustments to the recipes in the net to accommodate our sugar gliders in Malaysia. Watch out for cereal, alot of baby food cereal in Malaysia contains milk and soya, which is not good for a glider's health.

Here's a breakdown of the 3 main food category intake for captive sugar glider. Always feed to a ratio of 60% fruits and vegetables and 40% protein. (Increase the protein to 50% for breeding sugar gliders especially moms with joey/s In Pouch or Nursing.)

1) A fresh source of fruits or vegetables. The fruits or vegetables are best to be chopped into grab size pieces as sugar glider likes to grab hold of their food by hand to eat them.

We should feed fruits and veggies which are higher in calcium than phosphorus. Remember the ratio 2calcium:1phosphrous.

Links:

http://www.iguanaden.org/diet/calphosfruit.htm (thanks to shutterstar)
http://www.sugar-gliders.com/glidervet-60.htm
http://www.petsugargliders.com/sgratio.php


*For a list of fruits and vegetables that is has been fed to our local captive sugar gliders plus some remarks about it, click on the spoiler below.*



2) A fresh source of protein. Farm raised* mealworms or crickets or boiled chicken meat. Be sure to always gut load your mealworms or crickets first before feeding your sugar glider

3) A daily staple of mix. (This is a must since we do not have any other pre-set feeds** for their staple diet.)

Vitamins and Calcium supplements (and other supplements) is a need for captive sugar glider to ensure a balance and healthy diet. Most of the food sources provided still lack of vitamins and especially calcium. By giving them these extra supplements, we can ensure them of a long and healthy life

Most recommended vitamins and calcium supplements (like Vionate and Rep Cal) are unfortunately NOT available here in Malaysia, however there are other brands that has been found similar to these in Malaysia which is Repti-Vite and Repti-Cal. Vitamins and calcium supplements are normally sprinkled on top of their daily food serving. Not more than a pinch per glider and not more than one serving per day. Means if you have added the supplements to their mix, DO NOT add them to their other foods. Too much of the supplements can be as harmful as not giving them at all.

Another great supplement that can be added to their diet is yogurt. Yogurt is high in protein and calcium plus bacterial cultures that promotes the absorption of calcium better. You can feed them plain low fat yogurt or choose to indulge them in some naturally flavored ones. Not more than 1 teaspoon per glider 2 or 3 times a week only. Avoid getting fat-free yogurt. The best are low-fat yogurt for our gliders.

Finally, ensure that fresh clean water is available at all time. Water bottles such as the ones used for hamsters are highly recommended compared to water in dish bowls because water in dish bowls will get easily contaminated by their food, poo and pee.

Some NO foods / CAUTION foods and why.

1) NO corn - Although sugar gliders will readily dive into it, we must not include corn in their diet because the phosphorus content is higher than any other food, thus do not offer any benefits to sugar gliders except more phosphorus that could lead to bone deficiency.

2) NO avocado - Very high in fat.

3) CAUTION on grapes - Although there is still research going on about this, we must caution on the intake of grapes or raisins due to some death in sugar gliders that points to some of the substance found only in grapes. I'd say better safe than sorry.

4) NO iceberg lettuce - Non nutritional value and can cause watery poo!

5) NO chocolates - Chocolates are a NO-NO to all animals. It causes a toxic chemical reaction in most animals.

6) CAUTION on high fat content food - Nuts especially are high in fat. Some will offer sun flower seeds to their sugar gliders, but do this sparingly and strictly as treats not a part of their diet.

7) NO fried food - Again, very high in fat.

8) NO cat or dog food as a staple- Although most commercial breeders feed their sugar gliders with cat or dog food, they just merely want to substitute the fresh food that needs to be prepared daily, to something easy and lasting to eat without considering their long term health and not to mention - Cheap. Cat food is designed for cats, same goes with dog food. They are not meant for sugar glider. Not to mention that cat or dog food can cause lumpy jaw (because it is hard), intestinal blockage and kidney failure in the long run. You can ONLY feed it as a treat.

* Farm raised mealworms or crickets are those you can buy from our local pet shops.
** Pre-set feeds are those commercial dry staple food specially for sugar gliders.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 27 2008, 12:08 PM

Diseases and Disorders - written by bonai -

Sugar gliders are excellent in hiding their illness, so make sure you're always alert about your gliders when they are sick. If your pet shows signs of illness, do not give it any medications unless prescribed by your veterinarian. Remember that with the appearance of any clinical signs, a qualified veterinarian should be allowed to make a definitive diagnosis. Identifying and treating diseases in their early stages is the key to successful treatment and cure. Like many other exotic species that become ill, sick sugar gliders are very fragile, and require prompt veterinary attention.

Obesity (Same). Treatment -Avoid overfeeding; enlarge living space to encourage more climbing and exercise.

Hyperparathyroidism (Weakness, muscle tremors, fractures). Treatment - Caused by nutritional imbalance and calcium deficiency; review and correct diet; calcium supplements.

Head alopecia (Hair loss in the center of the head). Treatment - Normal in some males; identifies the location of ascent gland.

Abdominal "lumps" (Apparent lumps on the stomach of a female glider). Treatment - Again, this is normal; these "lumps" are baby sugar gliders in their mom's pouch!

Lack of or decline in appetite. Treatment - Can be caused by stress (lack of companionship, too much light, temperature fluctuations), may cause blindness, damaged teeth, other illness.

Enteritis (Diarrhea) Treatment - Caused by parasites and/or bacterial infections; treat accordingly; improve sanitation and reduce stress.

Overeating/overdrinking; pacing; excess vocalization. Treatment - Usually caused by boredom; insecurity (lack of adequate hiding places); lack of social interaction; housing too small; correct underlying cause.

Blindness (Partial or complete loss of sight) Treatment - Thought to be dietary in origin; often seen in obese gliders.

Rear-end paralysis (Weakness or paralysis of the hindlimbs) Treatment - Due to poor diet coupled with a lack of exercise; stress may also play a role; treat by correcting diet and increasing size of living quarters.

Incoordination (Falling from branches; bounces into walls) Treatment - Can be caused by blindness, rear-end paralysis, obesity, foot disorders, sprains and fractures; treatment should address the underlying cause.

Recommended vets:
(these vets are known to treat sugar gliders)

1) Dr Yeoh

YEOH VETERINARY CLINIC & SURGERY
126, Jln SS 24/2, Tmn Megah, 47301 PJ, Selangor
Tel: 03-78048684
Fax: 03-78052350
Dr Yeoh can neuter male gliders safely.
Call to make an appointment

2) Dr Jenny

HANDS "N" PAWS
C-17G, Jalan PJU 1/45,
Aman Suria Damansara, 47301 PJ
Tel: 03-78046539
Dr Jenny can neuter male gliders safely.
Call before you go coz Dr Jenny is not always around. She works on weekends.

Sugar Glider Events!



Suggie Gathering at FLUFF Pet Store!!!!!

First, how to go to Fluff Pet store?


FLUFF is just above the Lazo Daimond shop, beside Soda boutique. Look out of the signboard. Find 100C Steamboat, and you can find FLUFF.

Contact: 603- 7885 0745

H-1-3, Block H,
No.2, Jalan PJU 1A/41B,
Pusat Dagangan NZX,
47310, Petaling Jaya,
Selangor, Malaysia.

Date: 25 October 2008
Time: 4pm onwards


The 1st Official Sugar Glider at FLUFF Pet Store. It is gonna be a very fun event. We got food, lucky draw and some little games for you and your pets. Those without gliders can join the fun, come babysit other people's gliders if they let you.

Here is a rough detail of what to expect from the gathering.

- QnA session
- Glider buffet table, free food testing for gliders.
- Humans also get some food and drinks
- Lucky draw. Winner gets a very nice goody bag.
- Some discounted items for gliders
- Games session. I won't blurt out what games we will have. Surprise for you guys heheheh.
- Photo session

Bring your friends if they wanna come.

RULES:

All glider owners should bring their own bonding pouch to keep your gliders in safely when it needs a rest.
All glider owners should bring a packet of tissue to standby. Wipe up your glider's pee and poo.
No one should bring sick gliders or sick joeys.

This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 23 2008, 09:09 PM

Pet shops that carry glider accessories.


Pet Epicure
http://petepicure.wordpress.com

You can get glider cages, GliderYUMMIES! and order accessories that you need for your gliders by ordering.

* Tuesday to Friday - 11.00am to 7.00pm
* Saturday and Sunday - 10.00am to 4.00pm
* We are CLOSED on Mondays and Public Holidays

Phone number is 03-41072973 and email address is petepicure@gmail.com

253 Jalan Bandar 12,
Taman Melawati,
53100 Kuala Lumpur.

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FLUFF Pet Store



FLUFF is just above the Lazo Daimond shop, beside Soda boutique. Look out of the signboard. Find 100C Steamboat, and you can find FLUFF.

You can get basic glider accessories like original Suggie Stuf pouches, bird toys, cages(by ordering) and GliderYUMMIES!

Opening Hours: 11am to 11pm
Opened everyday!

Contact: 603- 7885 0745

H-1-3, Block H,
No.2, Jalan PJU 1A/41B,
Pusat Dagangan NZX,
47310, Petaling Jaya,
Selangor, Malaysia.[/size]

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Pet Shack
www.petshack.com.my

View the map to know.

Carries cages, a nice variety of sugar glider accessories and necessities. The only shop carrying WODENT WHEELS for gliders, hamsters and hedgehogs. Safest and most recommended wheel.

Contact: 603- 5637 4536

Operation Hours
Tue - Sat : 11am to 8pm
Sun : 11am to 6pm
Mon : Closed

102 Block A Mentari Business Park
Jalan PJS 8/2
Bandar Sunway
46150 Petaling Jaya
Selangor, Malaysia

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Pet Safari
They carry certain items and accessories for gliders. You can find good sized cages, substrate for cages. Metal bowls and bird toys.

PLC Pet Safari (KL) Sdn. Bhd.
S1, IKANO Power Centre,
No. 2, Jalan PJU 7-2,
(Level 2), Mutiara Damansara,
47800 Petaling Jaya, Selangor Darul Ehsan, Malaysia.

Tel: +603-7724 1578
Fax: +603-7724 1527

Operating Hours . 10am - 10pm



This post has been edited by crazymouse_yyh: Sep 27 2008, 12:07 PM

Reserved for updates.

Wa.. V8 dy... Update, Judy is getting along with Meegy quite well. They're grooming each other. Judy also helped Meegy not to be so scared of me now.

congrats V8

(im the first)

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anyway, i want to reply these from last thread, but it closed. So i post it here


No biggie, as long u have passion for it
Im working everyday except on Sunday, from 11am to 8pm, usually 10pm or sometimes 2am in the morning.
but still i have no problem in taking care of my babies. Currently i have 2 SG 1 male n 1 female. Mika my female joey is fully bonded with me, only Ryuu my male joey is semi bond, because i just bought him last month,

so, i dont think its gonna be a problem for u too

warhhh!! finally its Meegy hello Meegy! hope to meet u soon

ah as usual toby pets.. they will never learn. so heartless...

this type of shop really don't deserve us to support.. not only animals. i don't think i willing to buy anything they hv in the shop.. don't even want to step in..


hahahh... free free we meet in pet shack again loh

dont know why huh?? just now i open a new thread, but all gone oledi...weir..system got problem huh??

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 4 2008, 02:47 PM

Ha ha.. sorry you are second. Yup cos Julie and Isabelle don't suit her personality. She always make alot of noise. But has improved greatly with the help of Judy. She's doing and eating well, as this has been the second day she's been with Judy and myself. Judy accepted her as a companion already. Introductin was done outside and inside the cage with very close supervision. They also sleep in the same bonding pouch cuddling and grooming each other.

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Added on September 4, 2008, 2:49 pmNezu, you got both girls? I heard that one is very quiet (tame).

This post has been edited by aurion: Sep 4 2008, 02:49 PM

wow..V8 oledy..congrat2 to the suggies family!..
i finished read the v7...and now come the V8..hehe

me too, never had a chance to see ur bb n kiro

arh... Congrats Aurion

both are female bb and kiro, kiro known to be a eating machine and very very tame

This post has been edited by hazzy: Sep 4 2008, 02:54 PM

yes both also girls hahah yes the joey Kiro is tame.. she abit notty though.. she will nib nib pretend to scare us.. but she very sweet girl.. when she eating her mango mixed, at the door there, the door is open. i stick my face to her.. about 3cm away.. she don't bother me hahahhaha.. keep eating her mix..can sayang her when she eating also

Congrats! We're at V8!!

For the owner who feels irritated that her glider is still up in the afternoon, my Frey is still up. She keeps looking at me with big innocent eyes. Not sure what she wants.

hahah come come we go pet shack.. but BB is scare of stranger.. she lack of social now she is much better after i take her.. hope she will be better soon. she also not glider friendly

yeah
v8

btw v8 ,conan and xena say hi

erm, continue from previous post.
i get milly wif de price rm350.
i know, not only feed wif apples.
but de sales person say feed also telur rebus(white only) twice a week.
i'm not so sure bout tht. so i'm asking....

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ei, how come i cant upload pics ar? i browse de file alrd, but y cannot appear geh?

This post has been edited by faerieC: Sep 4 2008, 03:03 PM

mine always sleep in morning.. dig also don't wake up..
lol i always like to see BB holding Kiro both hands n rub her head on Kiro hahaha..

I guess BB can be trained, Nezu. Just bring her out more.

congrat V8!..

yes now always bring her out loh.. cos when we got her.. she already 3yrs old. guess she need sometime..


last time she see human like see monster now very good girl loh will come when call..

If you look at it logically, the pet shop like Pet Safari wants to sell their joeys quickly. Why? Cuz they have joeys dying everyday and losing money. They take super underaged joeys so of course will have high fatality rate. Those that do survive are getting into the proper age where they will be crabby and not sociable and trusting because they're not handled unless some customers want to see it.

So in order to sell they will often tell you wrong information to make you feel it is really easy to take care of so you will buy it.

Anyway, since your joey is underaged, so you should get a milk replacement. Normal milk for humans cannot be given to gliders because gliders are lactose intolerant. Go get puppy milk or Pets Own Milk. It can be found in Pet Shack. I'm guessing that your joey should be 4 weeks - 6 weeks OOP. That's usually the age they have in the pet shops, although more often 4 weeks OOP than 6 weeks. A joey drinks milk until end of 7 weeks OOP and officially start taking solids well by 8 weeks OOP.

And they need a variety of different fruits. A different fruit has different nutritional values so feeding a variety is good for your joey.

Ah, and insects is a definite must in their diet. Insects like mealworms and crickets are a good protein source which gliders need everyday. Nothing can replace insects in their diet (permanently) since suggies eat insects in the wild.

It's a little late but welcome to our thread. Feel free to ask questions. The members here will try their best to answer your questions. So welcome to our community.

actually its Toby Pet, not pet safari.. they rent the small animal to Toby Pet, which their main branch is in penang. not only suggie.. all pets they say is sick, underage.. die rate very high

arhhH! all this while ive been wondering where is Toby Pet. its actually, 1 corner of Pet Safari erh.

Wahhh, V8 already

I really missed posting here...

So many stuff to share the happenings with my monsters, but can't do it before

I guess since it's V8 now, perhaps I should start again for the better of my suggies and everyone's

So many pixs to share!

But have not edited and upload it yet, will do so asap!

I won't be able to catch up on what was left in V7, but thank you for those who PMed me personally with questions

If I missed something important and need me to know now, just lemme know again yah





Hi there,

You know you shouldn't just feed apples right?

There are plenty of edible fruits for suggies out there to explore. We even have a list of them in the 1st page for reference. Try it out!

Yes, we can feed our suggies with egg white for protein. Boiled them with plain water and no salt, peel off the skin and mash them to bits before feeding.

However, some suggies will eat it and some will not.

If you are feeding the mix, it already contains egg

Other protein source would be mealworms, crickets and boiled chicken meat.


KP

walau sure u refresh and refresh at the forum ya?

so can became the 1st person who post here...wakakaka..

wahhh senior2 already come back....salute u all

So should I be back or not?



Ohh, I just noticed the gathering thing... Err, September fasting month lor, tak syiok nak gather-gather...

Furthermore by end of September, lotsa our fellow Muslims will be heading back kampung dy... Raya is estimated on the 1st of October... The weekend before that, sure ramai gone back dy.

We do "Suggie Raya Open House!" after raya!


KP

yes all senior must be back...
rindu to u all posting yang panjang2 tu...hahhahahahahhaha

sory for my english

bahahaha, actually im the 2nd.
anyway, how is Gino? bonded with u already?

Whoa, posting panjang-panjang is only when needed, not always

Ohh, I've been dying to share some pixs of my monsters with their some sort of an info card or cert I did

You know with pix, name, D.O.B, age, weight and all...

Molly and Micah will be exactly 1 year old this 11th September. They we're born 11th September 2007 at noon Out of Pouch age, they 9 months, 8 weeks OOP this week


KP

can say also lah bonded...

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Added on September 4, 2008, 3:59 pmhaha..wish ur Molly & Micah in advance of Happy Birthday

This post has been edited by mattemily_85: Sep 4 2008, 03:59 PM

yes the exotic and small animal is Toby Pet Pet Safari rent a corner out for them...

KP do open house in ur house lah... suggie get some green packet inside put mealworms lol

hah!!good idea also loh..

i see de tail quite fluffly alrd ..... isn't it??


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Ooo, good idea!

Those has been good suggies will get bigger green packets : Super Worm inside!

Wahaha

Ohh, speaking of which, I have just started giving my monster "Super Worms" yesterday

Always wanted to buy them, but the pre-packed one is too expensive and not worth buying cuz some of them might have died and left few only in the container... Then I heard that you can actually find them none packed just like mealworms, but not many places do this lor... Until I had a gut feeling to try that weird, remote fish shop near my place. And wah lah! They got it! Straight away buy lor

Back home, gutload and was fascinated at how huge they were!

It was an instant hit with my suggies last nite! Finally, they seem to take longer time finishing it rather than those small mealworms

I saw Molly struggling with it a bit cuz it's huge, but the rest were okay

Gave only 2 Super Worms each. Very happy!


KP

warghhhh just 2 hour didnt open already v8 congrats2...

wah luckily ur Milly is not underaged joey...

anyway congrats to you..hehe..

dun be hesitate to ask question..

Nope, that's fuzzy, not fluffy yet.

Looks very small, but not so underaged or bad condition.

Eating well?


KP

still crabbing or not?

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here some picture to spice up, the thread


p/s: newbie are not encourage to do this kind of photography, plus my Ivory n Mika have no problem playing together for awhile
(picture taken, b4 i bought Ryuu)

like that tail also not conted as fluffly meh?

hhmm...looks like mine get Gino from xxxxx also like this 1 woh if not mistaken

however Gino also very healthy and playful hehe..

Nope, that's just fuzzy.

What more with that size lor, not yet fluffy.

Gino's pix on you siggy is how old? That looks like fluffy.


KP

not so underaged but very small still.. feed her well.. keep her warm

hahha this is so cute...

no crab loh hehe...thanks for your technique that you teach me..

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Added on September 4, 2008, 5:44 pmeerrmm OOP 8 Aug 08...

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Added on September 4, 2008, 5:48 pmEven my Gino 3 months old also love to be in warm places

i will keep my Gino inside the bonding pouch and put it inside my cloth that i'm wearing while at home .

This post has been edited by mattemily_85: Sep 4 2008, 05:48 PM

I justt take Frey out of her pouch and let her sleep on my hand. it's really warm since my hands will sweat also.

Confirmed OOP 8 Aug? If so, Gino should still be with his parents as this 8 September baru 4 weeks OOP wor...

Joeys should be separated at 7-8 weeks OOP.


KP

This post has been edited by krynzpeaches: Sep 4 2008, 06:28 PM

Hahaha very cute n funny lar hazzy! Wah!v8 already meh..cool

mine he won't let me hold him for long time,he will just let you groom him but not let you hold him long....

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Added on September 4, 2008, 6:32 pmHUH!!!OOP is not like meaning already seperated from parents 7-8 weeks meh?

i can confirm that Gino has been seperated with his parents 8 weeks edi loh ,i believe the seller WON'T sell underaged joey 1...

This post has been edited by mattemily_85: Sep 4 2008, 06:35 PM

mathew, OOP is when the joey comes out from the mother's pouch.

how about try to hold some fleece? Frey lets me hold her while she sleep but she want some fleece to snuggle wan.

oic...now i understand the OOP means hehe..

gino probably OOP 8 June 08,sorry kelam kabut edi

where u get fleece?

pheeew...lucky milly its not too underaged
yah,i put her in my pocket to keep her warm when i'm working. den when i wanna feed her, i put her into bonding pouch. she's eating well, tonite will make hard boiled egg for her.
she can fall asleep when i'm holding her too. but when i put her into her new cage, she will not sleep.
keep climb up & down. my bf say he saw milly sleep inside de meal cup in de morning!
den he put her back into de sleeping pouch.

so, wif urs experiences.... can i start give milly mealworms o not?
(i understand tht i need to gut load them 1st b4 give her eat)

This post has been edited by faerieC: Sep 4 2008, 07:34 PM

u can feed her mealies anytime
it's not can or cannot, but if she would eat it.
sometimes when a joey is separated too early, they didn't learn how to be a glider from the parents.
so sometimes, they dunno how to eat a mealworm.
if she won't eat it, cut the head n squeeze the guts out.
she should lick it.

show us ur kiro n bb la nezuu, havent seen them yet

thanks to nezu actually, she is the who taught me that

bahahahahah

bro, give both of ur daughter enough milk ok? dont forget that. ouh yea, 3 times a week of yogurt will resulting of good immunization system too

Eh eh? What technique? My Frey still so crabby! Senpai, teach me~

Hazzy wht type/brnd of yoghurt should i giv..my daughter dnt wnt milk already r..

Just came back.. no chance to be on the 1st replay T.T

Jamien : I still wondering.. why ur Frey still crabby..

theres a lot of method, i forget which method that i told mattemilly to use
how long frey have been with u?

ouh! im really sorry that i forget to mention. "Only Low-Fat Yogurt" dont use no fat yogurt ok. usually, i use marigold brand. try to give ur babies peach flavor

anyway, how did u know that ur daughter refuse to drink milk?

jus wondering, if ur glider is pregnant can u still feed them watermelon??? my baby loves watermelon but soon she'll have baby as Dino is a naughty lil guy~~
i'm not doing my 'homework' about having joey~~

KP or Hun..need your advise larr...

My Pika lately become really picky when it comes to food..last time picky as well, then ok, but now become picky again, she hardly touch fruits, but Slurp confirm licin, and even mealies, she didn't eat that much...

last time she hate apple, but nowadays she eat apple..and pear..and plum (if it really2 sweet)...persimmons last time she love, nowadays didn't eat that much..same goes to rock melon..but she still love watermelon...nowadays i'm always out of idea wat to give them larrr..try all kind of fruits, but this little fella totally picky one, even the treats, she will select, the yellow colour one she'll eat, the orange one she'll just lick...Miya although younger than her, now bigger than her...coz if Miya, no problem one, she will wallop anything i offer...

There possibility she eat during my sleeping time, maybe I didn't see it...but most of the time, i only saw Miya hogging the fruits bowl...and seeing Pika smaller than Miya and Pika will only eat a little then left the bowl, it make me worries..

Is this abnormal? or she simply become so manja one..ohhh, she will eat more than usual if i handfeed her...so spoilt?what do you think?

This post has been edited by ekazakaria: Sep 4 2008, 10:16 PM

Wah muchan, she become less crabby dy. Still pouch protective, can't cure her of that. Everyday take her out will hear a healthy dose of crabbing and when she go into bonding pouch will hear crabbing a while also. After that no.

BTW my bf and friend came to my place to help save my computer. She keeps jumping back to me when I put her on my bf and my friend. Damn happy now.

Wah, lama tak see you here.

Yah, I know September fasting month... but masa free is like between 20 September and 5th October.... but it's not a fixed date lah with those I mention. I will come up with better dates.

I'm really glad to hear volunteers who wanna help out with the gathering. I'll see if can get some publicity or not lah heheheh....

So fast 1 year old? Nice!

From the pic, it looks something like 5 to 6 weeks OOP.... fuzzy.

Some joeys like to sleep in their food bowls, it's either they feel more secure or they find the bowl of better comfort. LOL. Sometimes it's just food, eat till sleep.

Mealworms can be fed. Just intro to her slowly.

Choose low fat or if you can spend some money, go for those rich yogurt that's creamy and smooth. Greek yogurt is good.

I brought Frey down to the kitchen to get her slurp. All of a sudden she plop on the floor and make like the wind then run off. I catch her back but she bite me... T.T

Wah, your Frey is feisty. You do carry her around rite?

I also kena bitten by Meegy today.

Yeah I do, everyday now except the weekends when I'm working.

So sometimes I feel I'm doing something wrong since she's behaving like this. So I'm very desperate to meet you and see what I'm supposed to do.

Sometimes during the day, when I'm just sitting down I will take her out and she will sleep in my hands.

@aurion: T.T I bled just a lil bit. Her bite this time is nasty.

Meegy bit till my skin came off. But after being with Judy, she's stopped biting me.

Wah. Maybe my Frey can meet your Judy and she will become a nice lady?

Aiyoh, OOP = Out Of Pouch means just came out from pouch lor.

7-8 weeks is weaned.

You scare me just now





Yep, like what jitshiong said, depends if you suggie is ready or not. Give it a try and see, if she doesn't take yet, give her time and try again later.



Brand, any brand will do.

Type, normal yogurt, low fat or the rich and creamy as Hun said. No fat is not as good.



Huhh? What's wrong with feeding watermelon? Even when having joeys in pouch, I don't see anything wrong with feeding watermelon.

Just that even not with joeys in pouch, feeding TOO much watermelon is not good.



It's very-very normal for suggies to get picky with their food.

Mine does it all the time now.

I guess they've explored and tasted everything and just decided to be choosy! Sometimes they can leave a whole bowl of fruits untouch until the next morning! Imagine, all 4 of them just suffice with eating the slurp and mealworm jer

Yes, she might also be eating while you were sleeping.

Unless you notice that she is getting visibly thin, then there's nothing to be worried about.

Personally, I feel that handfeeding is good for bonding time only. If you do it often and they are spoilt with that, you are ruining them in the long run as well. They will always want you to handfeed or else they won't eat, which is really bad.



Haha, hallo!

Well, by end of September, I think I balik kampung also dy

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Yeah, I know! So fast grow up! It was like yesterday they were teeny tiny beans...





She's frighten/surprised by the fall/impact on the floor, thus why she bites... It's reflex to her nature.

Hope you hand get better soon


KP

Emino here registering for duty. Busy with working and gaming life currently. Teddy and Vicky almost being ignored except for mealtime. And I rarely take them out anywhere nowadays except during weekends if I go out. But I usually take them out for 1/2 hour to 1 hour and handfeed them while playing with them. Luckily they remain tame and bonded!

Sometimes, before I head to work, they would come out of their pouch and beg for more treats and company lol. I open the cage, they jumped on me, and after a few treats, they jumped back into the cage and sleep. These kids making me late everyday!

see all the senior allready write panjang-panjng,,
yesssss... i like it...

Thanks for the info....i thot its unusual coz seeing the amount people feed their suggies, my suggies didn't even finish half of that amount...make me worries...

yupsss..i think i must stop handfeed them nowadays, i stop last time, but handfeed again when saw they eating less...but now become so spoilt already...

One of the beauties of suggies is that once bonded, even if we rarely spend much time with them, they still remember us and love us as much.

Same here, even tho without spending much time with my suggies now, they still greet me whenever I go to their cage and wanna come out or nibble my hand/arm



No worries. The longer you keep them, the more you'll understand and know them better.

Food picking is just one of them.

Like I said, sometimes all 4 of mine can ignore a whole bowl of fruits overnight! Gila one, sanggup starve if they don't like it or don't feel like eating it


KP

yesterday i went to pasar pudu, saw a sad scene in 1 of the aqua stall.

there is a joey, should say tiny, size of a 1 dollar note, i think smaller a bit kut, in a hamster cage, without food and water.

maybe the food and water is hidden, i din see it

i think dont have water, cos no water bottle

Haha... nip or bite?

I think you need to really handle her more. I'll try and meet you and teach you a few methods. I find the best is handfeeding. The best way to make your Frey get used to movements and sounds is by bringing her to noisy and stressful areas. I know this may sound not right but it gets them used to sudden changes and new environment,

Last Sunday I went to Malaysia's Cat Show at The Mall. Keera was with me, and she behaved very well. We eductaed many and also got people really excited and happy to have Keera jump on everyone and back to me. When she was a joey, I brought her everywhere and made her get used to handling, so that is why she is a very good educational glider, just like Kiah.

Some gliders have their own habits, so since I dunno Frey, I dunno what are her usual habits and bad habits. Kapi I can know, that is why she is not such a good glider for educational purpose.

Lah, you neglect them. LOL.... but this is the trouble when we work or have full day studying. Lucky you were able to bond during their crucial growing time. This has made them recognize you and stay tame. So if you spend less time with them when they are adults, there is rarely any changes in tameness. If we neglect them totally, then of course they may turn a bit wild lah.

Gliders are picky. Sometimes I waste food coz my gliders don't finish certain fruits or are bored with the variety I give. It's ok, just feed what they like now, once they get bored, change to something new. You can always add a bit of yogurt to the fruits.

yesterday i make de hard boiled egg, den give Milly de white part. she grab and hold a piece(i din mash it, i cut into small pieces). she keep eating(but not much) until de place ard her become messy. when i put her back to cage she will climb to de apple cup and eat again.
today i din bring Milly to work, cos tonite got date wif frens to movie at cinema. feel like not so good to bring her go in, den have to left her at home. so miss her.....

This post has been edited by faerieC: Sep 5 2008, 01:32 PM

i hope its not too late to congradz V8 ! Im so exciting that im getting my joey this sunday !! hehe naming her Cady .

Lol, Hun, if you consider handle as in hand contact and body contact, if I'm home I handle her from when she sleep in the afternoon until she wakes up at night. But I will try to handfeed her fruits also lar (since I handfeed her mealies and slurp).

And yesterday she ran off in the kitchen, she herself jumped off, TWICE and ran off.

In the room, when there were friends in my room, she keeps trying to jump back and when she can't jump back to me (she can't jump beyond 15cm. Not sure why she don't glide), She'll plop on the floor and climb up my leg. When there's no one else around she basically runs off. ~.~

Where got noisy place can trauma her ar. Have to think properly. I'll try any method lar... I'm trying really hard but it's not working too much.

today i didn't bring Kuntum w me (kesian dia)...i scared if she buat hal lagi in office...now thinking of her only..rindu la...

Awww...

Last time what did she doo? Lompat on the bos?