But the q6600 memang runs much hotter than other chips

heheh, i cleaned my whole rig every 3 months, so it cant be dust problem, it seems like the intel hsf is faulty, my housemate said there's the same prob with his hsf too; it seems like when under load, pwm failed to react and still spins at low speed, thus overheating our procs. so now i got myself the xigmatek and temp is good again.

btw..is there any other air cooling that can beat True 120???haha..getting bored ady wit this true..

hmm.....aint that sunbeam CCF is the best now?....and there's TITAN FENRIR recently that just defeated sunbeam CCF (i refered to frostytech)

not exactly the best. they are some still claiming that TRUE is still the best. especially on i7 proc.

btw, Titan TTC-NK85TZ which is now top of the chart in frostytech is also using the same technology as CCF (4 HDT pipes). so does Spire Thermax II which is just right below CCF

is ccf 92mm available locally by now? if so how much it cost?

CCF is a lol... those that buy CCF are mostly tricked by frostytech HAHAHAHAHAHA
they are happy that their CCF cools their Core2Duo ALOT, try running them on quaddies and i7 at high voltage and speed c la

there was a user last time using q9450 @ 4ghz, he used ccf, and guess what's his temp, 88c during load...

Maybe he didn't install it properly, push pins are very troublesome

TRUE is definitely the best for i7. I've used CCF and just changed to TRUE120. The temp difference between those two are huge. Here are the proofs. All the tests were done in a control environment where the aircond temperature was set to 23C in a closed 8 x 10 ft room and the ambient temperature was 25C (taken from my Raytek hand held temperature probe, model Raynger ST2L ). Both HSFs were applied with Tuniq TX2. Prim95 9 (small fft) was used to make all 4 cores of the i7 load to 100%. All the temps were taken after running prime95 for an hour. I took the maximum value temp readings monitored by Real Temp 3.0. I didn't bother to take the idle temperatures for all the cores as the 100% load temperatures across all the 4 cores were the objective in these tests. In addtion I also ran LinX 0.5.6 as this application produce more heat than prime95.

Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer


Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120


Summary in Graph with Maximum Temperature recorded by Real Temp 3.0


From the summary above running prime95 small fft, TRUE beats CCF in average of 6.25C.

CCF with LinX 20 passes


TRUE 120 with LinX 20 passes


Summary in Graph with Maximum Temperature recorded by Real Temp 3.0


From the summary above running LinX, TRUE beats CCF in average of 7.5C.

Conclusion, I was a fool on believing frostytech. I should have bought TRUE120 in the first place.

that TRUE is likely not yet lapped... try lapping it and see, the difference will be even more

yup, indeed ccf couldnt handle i7 and those quad cores proc but for now CCF is still a worth buying HSF. for price vs performance, CCF and other HSF like xigmatek is still one of the best option for budget user. it comes with a reasonable cfm fan unlike TRUE. TRUE is certainly still a champ but with a hefty price tag. not to mention CCF comes with tx2 and a fan controller.

in the end, its up to the budget of the user. the more budget u have the more choices you have


thanks for the brief and informative review bro. looks like CCF is totally out of the league when its comes to i7

This post has been edited by ham_revilo: Mar 3 2009, 06:16 PM

Too lazy to do that right now... Maybe later when I'm in the mood of doing it...

well...i think thats the weakness of HDT based heatpipes as the contact area is not that evenly spread as compared to TRUE.

so if we use a quadcore ...prolly not all the heatpipes were in contact with the core...thus bad temperature reading....unlike TRUE where it actually covers the entire surface of the processor

however no doubt the CCF did perform better on a dual core

besides i also notice that HDT type heatsinks tent to idle at rather high temps as well (maybe due to the behavior of the heatpipes) as compared to my arctic freezer7

**nyways..if not because of my leaking pump...i would have gone watercooling already... been patching that stupid aquarium pump for the whole day as silicone tends to take a long time to cure properly **

hmm...maybe there is a difference in retention used? cos the review from coolice seems like the difference of TRUE is minimal with CCF only wor

CCF punya 1366 bracket still not in yet haih

If the price of CCF and TRUE are the same, i'll baling the CCF to the wall and sepak sepak it.

Somehow the price ratio is still there.

Just like comparison between AMD and Intel. Which is more value for money.

This post has been edited by chyu89: Mar 4 2009, 04:37 AM

If you're not going to overclock the i7, I would say CCF is value for money but like me I want the lowest temperature possible while getting the highest overclock speed on air, TRUE120 is indeed worth every single cent.

@tkh, have you tried to compare CCF and TRUE yourself? Since you're using TRUE on your system and selling CCF. Why don't you do the test on C2Q system and share the results here.

err, thanks for that.. i just saw ace meimei q9450 setup and it isnt a big difference
i think there`s something need to work with the internal of my casing

to me, price/performance does not apply in heatsinks... i want the best of the best

hdt is actually better than TRUE's design... TRUE, or most thermalright coolers, ARENT flat... dats y people resort to lapping it... google it and u will c, many complain TRUE didn't do a good finishing job on the base... but jz imagine, TRUE not yet lapped oredi pwn ccf, wat more when its lapped

This post has been edited by iBenQ: Mar 4 2009, 06:58 PM

iinm there is a reason behind the base of TR heatsink. some claim its to fit the shape of the proc IHS. if u notice, proc IHS is not flat either. but im not sure whether its proven or not

and iirc, lapped and un-lapped TRUE results doesnt differ much

This post has been edited by ham_revilo: Mar 4 2009, 07:22 PM

Another update from me. When I used CCF, I can boot to windows with 4.2Ghz but it will BSOD on me in less than 5 minutes running prime95 because of the temperature has exceeded the TjMax value, i.e 100C but with TRUE-120 I can prime my system with no problem. Here's the screenshot of my i7 920 at 4.2Ghz running prime95 (small fft) after an hour. I'll keep it running for another few hours. TRUE-120 is truly an awesome cooler . Seriously for ppl who want to build an i7 rig get the TRUE-120, it's really worth it.