Well you were one of the first people in Malaysia to own it and you owned it for months before upgrading to D3 and you don't even have a clue that it had an ISO button. Maybe i just want to point out that people shouldn't listen to a person that only know to poison people mindlessly to buy the most expensive gear but you yourself don't even know what's what. And i thought you mentioned downgrading back to D300.

p/s: I can spell just fine. It's just that ISO is one of the basics of exposure together with aperture and shutter speed. If you don't even know where the button is or what it does, then no point in owning even a D3. But then again i guess you never use manual ISO control. Luckily Nikon Auto ISO is smart enough that no matter how thick the people are, they can still use the camera.

the world is full with temptations.. we just need to know how to resist it and know what u want.. that's it..

all we need is money..it clouds all your thoughts... i wan a D3 too even if i dunno how to use it

Thanks for the link zio! U da man! Is it a 'good' lens, u think? it's certainly cheap

Hahahahahahahaha, that ISO button-thingy really cracked me up.

Today, I just helped a colleague of mine get grips with his D80. He had one lying around and decided to pick it up and use. Lucky b*stard

We played around, talked a lot about what affects exposure. He asked me stuff like how to get OOF backgrounds, panning shots, the various numbers on lenses and what they mean, etc. It was fun talking about photography technicalities. I used gear to show examples but that's about it e.g. f1.4 to effects of a large aperture on shutter speed and DOF, what does a wide angle lens do, what does minimum focusing distance mean, how shutter speed/aperture/ISO affects on an image, demonstrated the effectiveness of Sigma's OS, how to calculate the minimum shutter speed needed for hand holding, the effect of 1-stop in aperture on shutter, what is bulb mode, showed that there 1" shutter and more, what is bracketing, talked a bit on CLS (didn't bring my speedlight), talked a bit on HDR (no sample photos nor software), talked about different types of filters, batteries, camera bags, etc.

But ultimately, those were mere things to get out of the way. The more important thing to him and me (and this was on my mind all the time while briefing him) is how to prepare to take great pics for his Taiwan trip.

So to those that keep on going and going about gear, maybe go somewhere and talk OK? Because photography is not about gear. Really. Just go somewhere. Let's reserve the D40/x/60 thread for those that need help to get their camera out of the way to get great pictures. And also for sharing tips and nice pics lol

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Added on September 13, 2008, 1:24 amI think this advise has been given before and because it's still valid, I'll repeat it again. With slow telephoto like this one, try to get one with VC/OS/VR. Any sort of vibration reduction. Usually shutter speeds can be quite low during the golden hour (dusk/dawn). So basically you won't be able to handhold properly during the hours in which you are suppose to go take pictures. Not good. That's why Nikon's 70-300VR is expensive.

But of course, if you don't care about this, I guess this lens is as good as any. Nikkor's older 70-300 won't auto-focus. Sigma's new 70-300 will though. Image quality wise, between Sigma and Tamron, it's a toss. I really wouldn't expect one to outshine the other too much. Sigma's does offer a pseudo-macro mode (not 1:1 magnification) but I'm not sure about Tamron. If you like shooting flowers/bugs or any other macro work, the Sigma does offer a bit of a stop-gap measure before getting a real macro lens.

This post has been edited by ebernie: Sep 13 2008, 01:24 AM

again...
i wanna tell u...
if u cant afford something...dun envy those who can.
even though they know crap about the thing that u cant afford.
ok i admit. i might not be the greatest of photographer, but i din do photography to be great either.
i did it for fun. juz that i can afford it, thats y i got the best money could buy.
if u are that great, where are ur great pictures?
award winning pictures?
and ur super awesome skill using MANUAL ISO setting?

who are u to say whether there's no point for someone to get wat they can afford although they dunno crap about it?
like ive said earlier....
it's wat i can afford....and i want the best....
knowing to use it comes second....

it seems u have problems with people who have money and can get wat they want....
next time, dun envy those who can afford wat u cant...juz WORK HARDER...
i wanted to say SMARTER...but i doubt u can do that...

anyway....
i m sure u'll get the support of the OTHER smart fella who works as a java programmer to back u up....
well...
i rest my case here....
let me emphasize again....dun envy those with money....it does wonders actually...in case u dun already know...

i think someone is 'sour grapes' of other someone who can afford awesome equipments.

i think this other someone need to grow up

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This post has been edited by asfax: Sep 13 2008, 11:26 AM

actually... my interpretation of what joseph is trying to say it that yr nor maximising/fully utilizing yr gears that other peole dun have so he wants you to appreciate it... but then... since you stated in the later posts that you just took up photography for fun and because you bought it because you just liked and can afford it, then i guess theres nothing more to argue about...

Now really, I didn't think I'm that smart actually. But if you insist

Oh, I give up. xandman, you are right. I just envy your D3 and you having so much money. I really do. You got me. Since I only do Java for a living, no way I can splurge on a D3 or the expensive Nikkor lenses.

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Anyone seriously considering the D90? As a 2nd body maybe? Quite a few at the flickr D40/x/60 group has started their transition. Wondering if it'll happen here hehehe

With respect to xandman and Joseph, both which I have met and befriended, please just take your personal battles outside of the forum. If you two feel that you need to reply to each other, take it into the PMs.

@dani_irwan as ebernie said, I prefer one with VR (or any equivalent) because it is a telephoto after all. If you think you won't be using at low-light conditions then its a good consideration. kelvin_yam has been using an equivalent lens from Sigma (I believe) to good effect with his wildlife and macro shots.

@ebernie well the tamron does say Macro on the lens so I assume it offers the same capabilities as the Sigma. And wouldn't the D90 be the primary body?

Yes, indeed the D90 would be the primary body

It's too bad there no body-only option yet.

O.o there isnt? what lens does it come with?

18-105mm VR

You forgot to add f3.5-5.6.

And yes I am seriously considering switching to the D90 (I'd still like the D300 though), although the priority right now is to provide for my upcoming baby and wife. Photography gear upgrades take second priority.

is a total wasting to come out like that,this kinda thing sound more like what proton do.
why dont they spend more time to do more research on lenses,damn it.

This post has been edited by Darkcursed: Sep 13 2008, 05:43 PM

Yeah, it's the 18-105VR f3.5-5.6. It's a good starter lens (replacing the 18-135 methinks).

I've ignored the D40x and D60 and will continue to ignore this D60 special edition lol. But I bet their target buyers are new DSLR users, not us.

Oh, congrats on your baby, Darthbaboon. A good time to have a DSLR for you then.

D90, depends on the price.. the 18-105mm VR seems not bad.. what's more, they say d90 noise control is comparable with d300, which is the best in its class..
so u know.. the poison is there.. but still.. have to see my wallet.. lol..

if not, maybe invest on lens first..

They should make the lenses become more cheap he he like nik50mm1.8 ... but so hard la to get this one

next target is for sure the d80/d90