ok..ok thanks very much.

anyway, my robos still dont like me la. after 1 month they still bite and run away from me... sob..

You expected her to lost her virginity when you place both male and female together in the first place and that what you want also, right? The 'brown' dot maybe blood as they might be fought during the night and bleed.

Try to go to Ipoh Garden East and look for Pretty Pets as I saw Prestige Hamster there when I visited there. Anyway, those who wanna tumpang hamster stuff from KL to Ipoh, I can provide help when I'm back in mid Sept.
Pretty Pets
No. 63, Lorong Taman Ipoh 1,
Taman Ipoh Selatan,
31400, Ipoh, Perak.
Tel: 05-5470989

Cos it's not tame at all.

He is asking for hamsters, not bathing sand.

You sound like wanna kill all the hamsters as you don't know much about hamsters and yet wanna buy and re-sell to those people who dunno hamsters at all. More hamsters will be suffer with your intention of just wanna make profit by re-selling them.

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Added on September 1, 2008, 11:27 amSigh! You know something he going to do is not so right yet you give your support for him to do things not so right. Selling without ethics.

This post has been edited by sangels: Sep 1 2008, 11:27 AM

we cant guarantee every possible buyers will take care of the hamsters properly right? even shop keepers cant guarantee it either. Plus how can you justify that "those people don't know hamsters at all", do you know them? Plus you yourself at first , were you born with a natural instinct to know all about hamsters? No, right! You "learnt" so give other people a chance too and i'm still learning aren't I? If everyone has your thinking then you should do a petition to stop everyone from SELLING hamsters at all. And are you slandering me of killing hamsters? Hey know wat, go report to PETA. Gosh! If there's a list of ethics or laws regarding this, pls do post them so i won't get off the guideline.

This post has been edited by mDinie: Sep 1 2008, 11:44 AM

Offtopic - Anyone else can see that rate thing on the right side of the reply with the green color good and red color bad ar? What is that? Something new?

This post has been edited by blurjoey: Sep 1 2008, 12:10 PM

Okey 1st & for most i didnt read carefully that he want to buy a hamster in bulk.
I thought he wants to buy hamster accs to supply for all his friends or something.
3rd i dont support this unethical way to get money in instant.


This post has been edited by irkuysm: Sep 1 2008, 12:15 PM

Shop keeper can't guarantee it cos they don't even care as what they want is only money. With you buying bulk from them and sell to everyone is just helping them in their business and let them know that there's market and they'll breed and breed without quality and even inbreed the hamsters even though they are not suitable and young, therefore this will shorten the lifespan of these hamsters due to all these demand. I do not mean that I wanna stop people from learning but these people do not need to learn by making mistake and they can learn from other people even from other's mistakes. Of cos I can't stop everyone from SELLING hamsters but what I can do is STOP encourage those people from selling by not buying from them. I'm not slandering you of killing those hamsters directly with your hand, but by doing what's in your mind to make profit out of that will help killing hamsters and make hamsters suffer indirectly if they ended up in people who don't care a you also can't guarantee they will go to good home. As for your buyers, they will not get good quality hamsters or even healthy hamsters as pet shops won't care for what they sell. They just wanna sold them off even they are sick and injured and telling people that's fine or that's normal. As you said, you are still learning. Can you provide advise and sufficient info for your buyers on how to take good care, how to tame and how to rule out the hamster's health and what to do when the hamster is not well or sick? This are just basic for all hamsters owner if you wanna be a good owner. And how about keeping 2 in a cage and keeping in pairs? What would you advise to your buyers? What are the basic necessaries for hamsters? All these are questions and considerations before you get a pet if you do care for animals. If you don't, then nothing better or need to say. If there's law or guidelines to protect for all these small animals, that would be the best for all the small animals and I'm sure we'll also get benefits on getting good quality animals here. But sad to say, our country do not care about them. No guideline or law doesn't mean we can do anything. Ethics is from our heart and not only the legal laws. I'm not mean to flame at you or anyone else, if you do feel so, my apologies. I just hope that you'll think about all the above as small animal is a life too and they deserved to have good life too. I just can't see animals to get suffer or bad treatments and it will make people heart broken.

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Added on September 1, 2008, 12:16 pmGreat to hear that, at least I know you are not one of the unethical person for animals now.

This post has been edited by sangels: Sep 1 2008, 05:20 PM

From the gathering:

Kiko and her prize...


After the gathering:

Having 5 2ft tanks and 1 Zoozone2 for us, 1 2ft tank boarding, another 1 2ft tank waiting for setup while waiting for a new table to put the tanks.


Pillow and Puffie having discussion in their new home. Gotta put them in the same tank first while waiting for the table but they are good girls who do not fight YET as they are still small and I think they can stay together for another week and then stay alone next week.


Puffie and Pillow's cute cute moments:

Present to you:

Puffie:


Pillow:


Puffie (left) and Pillow (right) discovering the new wheel together


Pillow sleeping on Puffie


Puffie's turn to sleep on Pillow

Not everyone is RESPONSIBLE, and everyone is also NOT RESPONSIBLE! Just go by the ethics ya when u sell or breed or own them..

I am using the habitrail one, not real noisy, still acceptable.. somemore she don't sleep in my room, her cage is in another room. The thing I worried is, there is a centre piece, scare she might have back bone problem if she grows bigger.. I think her back almost touches the centre piece.. not so good gua

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Added on September 1, 2008, 3:00 pmAt a glance, Kiko looks like the hamster at the prestige bag

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Added on September 1, 2008, 3:03 pmand what wheel is that in their tank? Looks like silent wheel, bigger? Not wodent

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 1 2008, 03:03 PM

I miss those syrians. It was so fun to hold Noisie and Pillow...So soft, like a pillow :(
Kiko looks just like the hamster model standing in front there, actually XD

off topic why the smiley got songkok like that? LOL

Raya season ma. It's the start of Ramadan today

aiya.. forget tim

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Added on September 1, 2008, 3:11 pmsangels.. how long it takes you to clean all those tank????

This post has been edited by iluv2zzz: Sep 1 2008, 03:11 PM

Hahaha.... I was also thinking the same thing, Kiko really looks like the model of Prestige.

That's Sanko wheel 21cm. Sanko is also a silent wheel, not wodent wheel.

Yeap, Pillow is soft soft like pillow.

About 2.5 hours with help.

hi.. my hamster is sick.. huhu.. i'm waiting for a friend to send me to clinic.. but today is holiday.. dunno open or not...

soo scared... momo got runny nose, seems like he cant breath, his eyes are closed, looks like bernanah or something.. wat's wrong with him?? anybodi can help me?

1. Where did you get your hamster from?

2. If leaving the present hamsters as they are, in the care of your generalized stereotyped shop keepers who will "breed and breed without quality and even inbreed the hamsters even though they are not suitable and young", is their life going to be much better where they stay right now?

3. "but these people(i presumed the shopkeepers) do not need to learn by making mistake and they can learn from other people(who?) even from other's mistakes." <--- which is what mistakes and who is this "other people" and why are these other allowed to have mistakes and they have to learn from them?

4. "I'm not slandering you of killing those hamsters directly with your hand" <-- still slandering nonetheless

5. "but by doing what's in your mind to make profit out of that will help killing hamsters and make hamsters suffer indirectly IF they ended up in people who don't care a you also can't guarantee they will go to good home." <--- there you go with the IF add with a negative statement, what IF they go to a good home? and as aforementioned what IF they still stay with the stereotyped generalized SHOPKEEPER(wouldnt that be more sufferable)?

6. "they will not get good quality hamsters or even healthy hamsters as pet shops won't care for what they sell." <-- Ahh good old stereotyping again, by the way how do you measure the quality of the hamsters again?

7. "They just wanna sold them off even they are sick and injured and telling people that's fine or that's normal." <-- so we should just let them be in the shop with the stereotyped eviilll business minded shopkeeper since they are sick and injured and forgo their chance or hope to find them a better a home?

8. " Can you provide advise and sufficient info for your buyers on how to take good care, how to tame and how to rule out the hamster's health and what to do when the hamster is not well or sick? This are just basic for all hamsters owner if you wanna be a good owner. And how about keeping 2 in a cage and keeping in pairs? What would you advise to your buyers? What are the basic necessaries for hamsters? All these are questions and considerations before you get a pet if you do care for animals." <-- basic yet complex as u listed them but as i say, it can be learned and can be taught, i should keep this in mind ^_^

9. "If you don't, then nothing better or need to say." <-- then better not say, isnt that what Malaysian does best

10. "If there's law or guidelines to protect for all these small animals, that would be the best for all the small animals and I'm sure we'll also get benefits on getting good quality animals here. But sad to say, our country do not care about them." <-- Agreed that is why we are doing something just that you have your way and i have my way.

11. "No guideline or law doesn't mean we can do anything. Ethics is from our heart and not only the legal laws." <-- I do understand that ETHICS are more to CIVIL . You post this directly as in i do not know what or what not to do as a human with a conscience. Ethics not only from the heart but from the brain as well

12. "I'm not mean to flame at you or anyone else, if you do feel so, my apologies. " <-- yea i do feel so after you indirectly slander me right as above? how contradicting but apologies taken anyway since arguments like this only.... ok nvm, i think you know wat would conclude in the end

13. "I just hope that you'll think about all the above as small animal is a life too and they deserved to have good life too. I just can't see animals to get suffer or bad treatments and it will make people heart broken." <-- oo yea for this sentence, i would like to say I just got back buying 25 Winter Whites from being python food for the shopkeepers in the next 3 days, and also SAVED them from their dirty cages and from the shopkeeper to "breed and breed without quality and even inbreed the hamsters even though they are not suitable and young, therefore this will shorten the lifespan of these hamsters", plus i do think of everything that you've written above ^_^, I'll always keep that in mind.

Afterall, this argument won't create a solution for the poor present hamsters if everything is just a say. At least I'm doing something practical helping them than sitting around fighting over the net. DIVAAAA~! I think we need to be more on the positive side on things rather than seeing everything in a negative light.

Good reasons and excuses you've set for yourself to re-sell the hamsters and congratulations for those mass breeders as you are helping them in their business by SAVING their hamsters from being reptile food. It is a WIN-WIN situations for both parties (what a positive side on things). Keep up for your GOOD JOB, HAMSTERS SAVIOR!

FYI: 1) I got most of my good quality hamsters from home ethical breeder, adoption and ethical pet shop who get their hamsters from home breeder.
2) WW is too expensive to be fed to Python.

Anyway, thanks for the effort of copy and paste from my reply and brighten my day

This post has been edited by sangels: Sep 1 2008, 07:35 PM

my hammie still nid time to tame with me.. sobz nezu help!!

Of coz we cant ! and dont talk about shop keeper, they just SUX !!! of coz we know them, they just SUX !!! give chance to them? this thing ain't bout chances, is about research , responsibility... People we are talking about here is old enuf to go online n research.. dont give me excuses using chances.. Ethics is within you.. Earning money from livestock ?? quesion yourself..

WHEN BUYING STOPS, SELLING STOPS TOO U read this before? u watch N.Geo before?? Everyone has sympathy but people here knows what should do and shouldnt do.. U said u wanna earn some money by selling hammies and u talk bout sympathy? if u really do care, dun buy from petshop, dun sell.. you are just being another petshop.. U know why sangles type such a long reply to u? because she care ! ! stop giving excuses, we deal with problem seriously around here..

This post has been edited by mikelim2020: Sep 1 2008, 07:51 PM

mine oso....very shy
always hide in their house
but..when feed them wif food....very fast
grab n leave