same thing happent o my robos. the smaller one become spiderman climb until the top of the cage. dont know how he learn that also...

guys, i'm pretty sure now my robos are both male. should i get another cage before they start killing each other or just leave them be?

owh...they seems to be loving each other for now. maybe they are homos... heh...


will keep my eye on them if they start fighting...

haha...how i know..

they do seem to be playing with each other a lot. kissing and hugging..

still having a hard time taming my robos. last time only 1 bite me, now both also bite me whenever they have the chance... haihz

no pudding selling at pets wonderland in mid valley?

hey, do guys know any shop open today that sell hamsters for "borong"? me and my friend are trying to buy some to sell at our college. i know today is holiday but there are still some shop that open on this day right? around Kl possibly.. thanks. do reply asap..

but do they open today? i saw most of the shops today close. thats why i'm worry, later go there for nuts only...

today holiday. thats why i'm worried..

that kind of shop very expensive la. me and my friend wanna buy a lot. then going to re sell it at our college. wanna find those not so expensive shop la so that can buy many cheap..

ok..ok thanks very much.

anyway, my robos still dont like me la. after 1 month they still bite and run away from me... sob..

we cant guarantee every possible buyers will take care of the hamsters properly right? even shop keepers cant guarantee it either. Plus how can you justify that "those people don't know hamsters at all", do you know them? Plus you yourself at first , were you born with a natural instinct to know all about hamsters? No, right! You "learnt" so give other people a chance too and i'm still learning aren't I? If everyone has your thinking then you should do a petition to stop everyone from SELLING hamsters at all. And are you slandering me of killing hamsters? Hey know wat, go report to PETA. Gosh! If there's a list of ethics or laws regarding this, pls do post them so i won't get off the guideline.

This post has been edited by mDinie: Sep 1 2008, 11:44 AM

1. Where did you get your hamster from?

2. If leaving the present hamsters as they are, in the care of your generalized stereotyped shop keepers who will "breed and breed without quality and even inbreed the hamsters even though they are not suitable and young", is their life going to be much better where they stay right now?

3. "but these people(i presumed the shopkeepers) do not need to learn by making mistake and they can learn from other people(who?) even from other's mistakes." <--- which is what mistakes and who is this "other people" and why are these other allowed to have mistakes and they have to learn from them?

4. "I'm not slandering you of killing those hamsters directly with your hand" <-- still slandering nonetheless

5. "but by doing what's in your mind to make profit out of that will help killing hamsters and make hamsters suffer indirectly IF they ended up in people who don't care a you also can't guarantee they will go to good home." <--- there you go with the IF add with a negative statement, what IF they go to a good home? and as aforementioned what IF they still stay with the stereotyped generalized SHOPKEEPER(wouldnt that be more sufferable)?

6. "they will not get good quality hamsters or even healthy hamsters as pet shops won't care for what they sell." <-- Ahh good old stereotyping again, by the way how do you measure the quality of the hamsters again?

7. "They just wanna sold them off even they are sick and injured and telling people that's fine or that's normal." <-- so we should just let them be in the shop with the stereotyped eviilll business minded shopkeeper since they are sick and injured and forgo their chance or hope to find them a better a home?

8. " Can you provide advise and sufficient info for your buyers on how to take good care, how to tame and how to rule out the hamster's health and what to do when the hamster is not well or sick? This are just basic for all hamsters owner if you wanna be a good owner. And how about keeping 2 in a cage and keeping in pairs? What would you advise to your buyers? What are the basic necessaries for hamsters? All these are questions and considerations before you get a pet if you do care for animals." <-- basic yet complex as u listed them but as i say, it can be learned and can be taught, i should keep this in mind ^_^

9. "If you don't, then nothing better or need to say." <-- then better not say, isnt that what Malaysian does best

10. "If there's law or guidelines to protect for all these small animals, that would be the best for all the small animals and I'm sure we'll also get benefits on getting good quality animals here. But sad to say, our country do not care about them." <-- Agreed that is why we are doing something just that you have your way and i have my way.

11. "No guideline or law doesn't mean we can do anything. Ethics is from our heart and not only the legal laws." <-- I do understand that ETHICS are more to CIVIL . You post this directly as in i do not know what or what not to do as a human with a conscience. Ethics not only from the heart but from the brain as well

12. "I'm not mean to flame at you or anyone else, if you do feel so, my apologies. " <-- yea i do feel so after you indirectly slander me right as above? how contradicting but apologies taken anyway since arguments like this only.... ok nvm, i think you know wat would conclude in the end

13. "I just hope that you'll think about all the above as small animal is a life too and they deserved to have good life too. I just can't see animals to get suffer or bad treatments and it will make people heart broken." <-- oo yea for this sentence, i would like to say I just got back buying 25 Winter Whites from being python food for the shopkeepers in the next 3 days, and also SAVED them from their dirty cages and from the shopkeeper to "breed and breed without quality and even inbreed the hamsters even though they are not suitable and young, therefore this will shorten the lifespan of these hamsters", plus i do think of everything that you've written above ^_^, I'll always keep that in mind.

Afterall, this argument won't create a solution for the poor present hamsters if everything is just a say. At least I'm doing something practical helping them than sitting around fighting over the net. DIVAAAA~! I think we need to be more on the positive side on things rather than seeing everything in a negative light.

As expected a sarcastic reply after an apology(guess it isn't after that), You brighten up my day too

PS: 1. Still wonder where the ancestor of the home breeder's hamsters come from, cus as far as i know hamsters do not originate from Malaysia

2. Are you sure WW is too expensive? maybe u meant the market price but not when they are about to be thrown away by the shopkeeper



Err your first sentence kinda contradicts sangles, i think u need to rephrase to Un-ethical Shop keeper, and i bet yours come from "home ethical breeder, adoption and ethical pet shop who get their hamsters from home breeder." too ^_^. I'm glad. Research? show me pls? i bet you've done alot since you proud yourself on that? Responsibility? Guess you are a perfectionist. Will keep that in mind. Earning money from livestock <--- u need to rephrase this too cuz "livestock" is quite a big word, coz i will need to go vegetarian after that following your choice of words. I guess you are. Sigh. As u say i have my ethics in me, so stop shoving yours up mine. Everyone's ethics is to their own. "People we are talking about here is old enuf to go online n research" <-- dont you think this is a typical generalization



N.Geo? U sure documentaries are REAL REAL. I mean like really? Sad to say Documentaries are FICTIONS(oo yea i was force to learn that). and the "WHEN BUYING STOPS, SELLING STOPS TOO" phrase has been brainwashed unto you and your other friend by a very good and effective Public Relation person for the campaign. And now you talk all hoo-haa about me selling and buying thingie, err when you bought those hamster cages and hamster accesorries which according to sangles "is just helping them in their business and let them know that there's market and they'll ..." coz if theres pets on sale its business is related to the pets STUFF too (Can buying pet's related stuff stops the selling, like i mean why would they want to sell pets stuff if theres no pets around rite)GOSH. Sad to say i don't do excuses, i just stated facts and i don't sit around like all Ghandified and wait for a miracle to shower down upon from heaven to bring the hamsters to Nirvana(guess this sentence will let sangles reply with the hamster savior line with caps again) X_x. And hey i just type longer, so means i care more.. omg another argument with a very good premise. I can see how seriously how you deal problem here like literally and yea sitting around Ghandified.



Wow NGeo and then Animal Planet, another media documentary brainwashed. And wow you guys do group bullying online and stuff rite? congrats la then. By another sarcastic reply which obviously want to make me feel down and well with all due respect to all three of the senior hamster sages, you guys feel its ETHICAL doing all this remarks sarcastically? Let you be the judge.

You could all just say to me, "hey, im sorry but this is against my ethics so i won't inform you regarding this info". Like u know~ politely speaking and stuff but nooooooooo, U guys go all extremist religion cult wannabe by saying im a killer, i know nothing about anything, i dont watch ASTRO's Documentaries coz im not as rich as u guys with personal attacks, and then the sarcastic remarks. I mean u sure this is being ethical anymore on your personal self. You pride yourself in ethics and stuff and you can't be ethical to another member of the forum who is just finding his way?

This is gonna be my last statement. I don't see this argument going anywhere as for now. I asked for help and tonnes of different replies i get which is generally public flaming. wowzers.