limeuu...obviously u've never been into a med school...in reality in med school,only a few like 5-10 ppl who never achieve failure during their time doing the mbbs....and those ppl are the ones living in the library...failure is a norm in medic school but the school limits the failure to 50% rate..dats why above 50% marks in university exams,u pass...same goes to posting..u pass 3 out of 6,u r clear to go...but it is not easy just to pass...i dunno about other school but we in manipal,its very hard just to pass...no need to speak of the 5-10 distinction students or our batch topper...ask hyper..he should know more....or maybe he is one of the topper..ahaha...

maybe the next time those of you with good grades..but not with the $$$..can go after limeuuu for sponsorship to study medic since he is so againts indian.russia.indon unis!!

I think that only applies to JPA scholars.

wrong............that is why there is a difference between 3rd world and developed world med schools....it's all to do with maintainance of standards.....

justify how you want, fail is fail......no education system keeps standards so 'high' a fail is acceptable......it just doesn't make any sense.......

and all good med schools have a significant fail rate.....because no matter how careful they select their students, there will always be about 10-20% that is not suited for the course......

fact: imu failed 21% of sem 2 students in their 1st major exam (most of them jpa 'scholars').......

fact: ucl (university college london school of medicine) failed 20% of their 1st year, in spite of ALL the students having AAA in A-levels.......

these students needs to refer the exam, or sometimes repeat a semester.......

when any med school says there is LOW fail rate, it just proves what we all know.......there is a problem with standards in 3rd world med schools......

The Russians fail their own students alot. If you go around asking, there are many who're still stuck in the first two years.

However they are very lenient towards Malaysian students. You can actually postpone your final papers till the following year.

msians do not stay back to work and treat russian patients, so not their problem......in any case, a pass is just us$50-150, so i am told........

No no, limeuu, you got the wrong idea. There is a big exam each year for the first 2 years, which the students have to pass all. If not, it's another 6 months for the students who have failed.

The postings during the 5th sem which fazid88 spoke about are for internal assessment. The next big exam will be in 8th sem, in which students are to take a comprehensive exam (all subjects combined). It is a very tough exam.

Then the final exam will be at 10th sem, which is toughest of all.

limeuu, so what best things u can say about UM during ur medical training?
Is it the teaching hospital of UM or something else?

I think UM's medical faculty is attached to UMMC since decades ago. But being called as University Hospital previously. Just recently the name has been changed to University Malaya Medical Centre.

I'm not sure but i've heard from doctors in UM saying that tho UM's ranking has dropped alot, the medical faculty's standard is still very good. As in it is still a top medical school in the country. The prob is that most of the students entered with matrikulasi aren't as competent compared with those entered with STPM qualification. Is it true? My mom works in UM and often she was telling me that consultants they themselves have the thoughts that matrikulasi student aren't that competent? Don't how true it is tho. O.o

This post has been edited by csrulez: Aug 9 2008, 04:35 PM

Yes,the agents selling 'zachuts' or 'a pass' are usually Sri Lankans. They are Malaysian agents as well. They all work hand in hand with the dekanat, ie the dean's office.

Everybody wins. Patient loses.

How about Ukraine? Is that the reason why Ukraine got de-recognized?

nope..does not apply to oni jpa scholar...in fact,my batch topper is a jpa scholar and most jpa scholar pass their exams in manipal...and limeuu,i hope u understand what i meant...its not failing the big exam..its failing the internal assessment...failing big big exam in manipal means a repeat...fail more than twice,u'll be going home to malaysia....correct me if im wrong,if im not mistaken,india is th oni few country which would not allow the student to proceed to another year without passing the big exam...

you are very mistaken.....

den correct me... btw,why i sense some hatred towars jpa scholar here...i know some of us are wasting the money,but dont label us as one...

no reputable uni will allow anyone who fails to proceed to the next level...ever.......the very fact that this is an issue at all shows how low we expect our standards........but you are right, there are msian ipta/ipts where people are forced to be 'passed' by addition of marks across the board.......facts.....

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Added on August 9, 2008, 9:51 pmnot hatred, just distaste about the whole charade, and often, waste.......

jpa scholars are NOT the cream of the country, because not the BEST are chosen, but nep complaint criteria used.......there are so many better students who did not get scholarships.......

and they have a reputation of failing exams......a rather unusual propensity for 'scholars'.....

so just like 3rd world students in general, you are suspect, till you prove yourself.......

the fact that 'some of us are wasting the money' is proof that the whole process sucks....NO scholar if selected carefully on best practice criteria will 'waste money'..........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 9 2008, 09:51 PM

hmm..reputation of failing exams? i think its right during my a levels time but doesnt apply during my time doing medicine in manipal...from what i experience,those who fail are majority private students in manipal...

I'm also not surprised that the top is a JPA scholar. As far as I know, due to the quota system, some 'minorities' who are smart get chucked to places like India, Russia, Indonesia...etc, whereas those "majorities" who are not necessarily smart, but smarter than the average 'majority' get places such as UK, Australia..etc.

Out of curiosity, what were your results during A levels? And were you given medicine at India originally after your SPM?

yep...we were given places right after we r offered the scholar....hmm..my result,pass the jpa requirement and pass the college requirement..if u stil want to know i'll pm u... erm...about the minorities get chucked into places like india,indon,russia.....toppers of my batch came from both the majorities and minorities...

I'll have to agree with u on this matter =) I've heard a lot of cases.

anyway, so in msia there aren't any good medical unis(private or local)? =/ this is the impression i get from reading the posts.

a-levels is nowadays such an easy exam (up to 25% of candidates gets an A in most subjects), nobody with less that 3A's should be selected into med schools........