fact: arts student are taken in....leading to derecognition of ukraine school by mmc......

fact: students with very poor spm results are taken into russian schools....personal review of spm results of recent graduates starting housemanship...

fact: one can buy passes in russia.....personal communications from students there....and...http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/761025/+70

if one is 'bashed' by facts, yes one is too sensitive.......

i have the privilege of certain information most to-be students and current students do not have.....this info is for those who are contemplating doing medicine......it's too late for those already in....

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 12 2008, 12:29 AM

we've got confirmation of the status of the MMMC degree already... so we should stop posting on this thread...

no point hopping between different threads that discuss similar matters

agree with blackrobin..

as for limeuu, in my opinion, it does not matter who are entering the med schools as long as they are interested and are dedicated..

u can be straight a's science stream student, but if u are not interested and not dedicated, then , there's no point in entering med school at all..

its all about the individual him/herself...
the med school is just a place to trained u to be qualified doctors and help people..

*sigh*

The "Kalau tak sukar, kamu keluar!" mentality has permeated every level of Malaysian society.

Standard argument that has been brandished over and over again. The fact of the matter still remains: you cannot extrapolate an outlier to justify the trend. Yes, there will no doubt be competent doctors from the "third world" universities, even so, you will be tarnished with the same brush.

On the same vein, there will be outliers from "first world" universities who end up with the Dr Death nickname. Case in point: Jayant Patel.

Justify your shortcomings as you wish, but at the end of the day, it is society that judges us, regardless of field.

Jayant Patel was first trained at the M.P. Shah Medical College at Saurashtra University.

Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayant_Patel

First world university?

The fact remains, there are many doctors in msia graduated from so called "3rd world universities". This is something you cannot change right now. Unlike in politics, policies can be removed by the lawmakers as long as they have the will to do it. Therefore, staying in Msia means there's high chance that you might be treated by one of them.

Pls dun compare apple with orange.

Yup, agree with the statement in bold, but your friend/relative, limeuu, started judging before some of us can even prove ourselves.

Summary of limeuu's posts:
1. Only enroll in 1st world med schools if one wants to be a doctor.
2. IPTA/IPTS suck, so don't bother even if you have secured a place.
3. If no money for 1st world med schools, forget about medicine even if one has the results and passion for it.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 12 2008, 04:15 PM

actually, that is putting words in my mouth, when i said no such thing, as usual....so for the record again, this is my stand:

1. developed countries are consistent in their selection and training process, and thus has the best record of consistent med education....obviously of choice then.....

2. ipta/ipts and many 3rd world schools suffer from selection and training issues, just know that you will have a mixed bag of classmates and lecturers when you get there.....

3. money should NOT be a factor in the selection process, just interest and ability......the practice of buying places in msia (and 3rd world in general) is bad.......

so which part of that is not in agreement?

sorry to say, money is always a factor, whether you like it o not.
I live in a small town, and in my circle of friends, some of them are as brilliant- they are capable of securing a scholarship, but their parents can't afford the the hefty living expenses studying overseas.
where else to go other than to put faith in our local tertiary education..so most of them end up in ipta.

you'r too quick to ur conclusion.

at least your friends got into ipta....many got nothing.....it is precisely this situation, where bright eligible but poor students are denied places, whereas mediocre students with rich parents or sympathetic government scholarships will buy the places.....that i say money should not be a factor.....

i criticise the system.......not individual students......don't you see.....by allowing a blow-valve situation of allowing poor students access to 'cheap' private med education, you are also allowing bad students to buy in.....

in local politics, by allowing the nep, you also allow leakages, justified in the name of the nep......same scenario.....

Only in 3rd world countries like Malaysia.

In Australia, if you have the interest and ability, you get scholarships, rural-bonded scholarships, or a subsidized place(which you can pay back after you graduate)....and everyone has a fair chance of getting into a medical school. There are access-scholarships for indigenous students but this does not compromise other Australians.

You are being too idealistic. Money is, and will always be a factor as long as there are discriminative policies around.

The current situation for academic strong non-bumi students in Msia:
From average-income families: IPTS either by self fund or scholarship.
From rich families: Anywhere they want.

Only super smart non-bumi students can enter IPTA.

So let me ask you a question, do you think an academic strong non-bumi student but from average-income family shouldn't do medicine if they cannot secure a place in the IPTA?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 12 2008, 11:21 PM

if u are given scholarship and unfortunately u come from a poor family..does that means that u dun do med??

money do play a role here..
come on la..we are living in a real world la..

even if u dun need to pay for the tuition fees...

im pretty sure u still need money for ur food, accommodation and transport, right??

things are't that simple and its easier to say than done..

if everything goes ur way..will u still be arguing now? the world will be in peace..

it really sounds better if you label it as "developing countries"

Are you, by chance, from teluk intan st. anthony's school?
coz you'r two years younger than i am and from perak.
really,ur initial looks very familiar

i thought sum1 wanted to end this debate.. btw,no money=no education...applies EVERYWHERE....stop it with nonsense of first world country is very good in sense that without money one can proceed to higher levels with interests and ability only...there is no doubt existense of scholarship to cater the needs of those who are incapable economically but able academically but even in developed country,the scholarship is limited...and do u think there is no racism happening there like u claim happen in msia?? no black and white? no aborigenes???? be realistic please..

i wanted to put an end...lolx but i'm enticed to reply couldn't help it

luckily my little brother dont go mannipal...JJM instead

Wht does JJM stand for? where's it?
google warns me the JJM medical college website is harmful o.O,seriously

i didnt mean u blackrobin...hahah! jjm? when did he go? 5th the other day? might be one of my fren...

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Added on August 12, 2008, 11:26 pmits in davengere...6 hours from bangalore if im not mistaken..

This post has been edited by fazid88: Aug 12 2008, 11:26 PM

no official institutionalised discrimination......that's for sure.......

ie, it is illegal, but of course it happens....but it is illegal and you make a complain, something gets done.....no forms you fill are allowed to ask the questions: 'race', 'religion' etc.......

it's legal and institutionalised in msia........

big difference.....

facts.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 12 2008, 11:30 PM