Non-PRs could get an internship in Australian hospitals if you graduate in australia, but I'm not sure as to whether non-PRs from foreign unis could do so.
If they could, they would then would have had a job and will technically push their points above 120-which qualifies them for PR.
So, the deciding factor is as to whether they can get an internship.

It is unlikely that DIAC will change the PR system as it was just modified last year.

if on shore, the 18mths visa applies, and one should be able to find a housejob.....then will satisfy the points and start the pr process.....

from monash msia, the 18 months visa doesn't apply, so you will be considered the same as other foreigners with a oz recognised degree, needs the points from work experience etc......

it's a grey area at the moment........

hmm...i never seen mbbs(mmmc) or mbbs(kmc)..i've oni seen mbbs(manipal) or MB, BCh, BAO (ireland),mbbs(mysore) as in those in the brackets are the main university not the colleges inside the university because the degree is conferred by the university,not the college..the college has no power to confer any degree...am currently studyin in manipal as in mmmc...im here to clear dat our degree are conferred by manipal uni and therefore named mbbs(manipal)..no mmmc or so in the brackets..and to say dat mmmc is full of lousy student,have u been there?? im a jpa scholar there and quite insulted with ur words....i have frens studying in imu,pmc,ucd(not twinning),um,ukm,uitm,alexendre university in cairo,moscow state university,universitas padjadjaran,univeristas trisakti,universitas gadjah mada..all doin medicine and we always compare and discuss the way or syllabus and our curriculum during our studies.. and i think it is not wrong for me to say dat it is very tough and demanding to study medicine in india...yes,my college does have some lousy rich brat but doesnt mean there are no lousy rich brat studyin in university of liverpool(ranked 1 for medicine in uk)..please,this thread are opened to discuss the matter,not to insult other ppls colleges..about the derecognition,my frens in kmc told me about kmc exceeding the 40% quota for foreigners student and this bring about the derecognition and nothing about the facilities..in fact,the facilities we have there are top notch..kmc even have one of the biggest anatomy museum in the world...and about the degree..the listing on imed have nothing to do with the degree conferred..pmc degree is a nui degree and mmmc degree is manipal degree..the listing is based on where the college is situated and not where the degree is conferred..fyi,there are no pmc in ireland because in ireland the students share the same facilites used by the full time student in ucd or rcsi and in manipal we share the same facilities with student from kmc and kmcic..so that is why in imed it is listed as in malaysia and not in the foreign country..about the imu-pms program,it is not listed in imed because it is a program,not an institution...and to clear things bit about the degree,the formation of twinning program,pmc and mmmc is a way for the government to ensure that sponsored students return to msia to fulfill their 10 years contract with the government,hence come the MoU with india and ireland to allow the students to be conferred their full degree but without the clinical trainings there in order to prevent the students from getting away..that is why jpa allocated a fixed amount of student sponsored by them to enter pmc and mmmc for every intake because they know for sure they WILL come back..there are 60 jpa students for every mmmc intake and 40 for pmc intake..about the guy thinking of entering imu for his cousin..just wanted to share what i've been through..b4 i went to india,i have to do my a lvls and pass the cut off points set by jpa...those who fail to pass the cut off point are sent to imu...anyway,if any1 wanted to reply to my post please dont flame me...what i give here is from what i've been through and what i know to be true...im not here to correct any1 just to state what i know to be facts..

This post has been edited by fazid88: Aug 9 2008, 01:20 AM

U will be my senior soon.
And no 1 for medicine in UK currently is University of Dundee , Scotland

walaueh......

haven't you heard of something call paragraphs?......

Damn, your post is hard to read.
Anyway, welcome junior.
Btw, MMMC's degree is in fact a Malaysian degree. You can ask Prof Razak regarding this matter. Also, MMMC is not set up with JPA sponsored students in mind. It was set up to earn money, and why the clinical years in Msia? Well, so that the grads will get used to Msian system, not indian's.
Btw, i dun really understand the statement in bold. Care to explain more? FYI, PMC is listed under Ireland where as MMMC is listed under Malaysia in IMED.

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This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 9 2008, 01:57 AM

that explains it.......no wonder the fail rate at sem2 amongst jpa scholars are so high......20+% failure rate, and mostly jpa's....

Huh?? i thought IMU is the best private med school in msia? how come suddenly its requirement is lower than Manipal?

Eh hyper, what's the actuall degree title for MMMC, anyway. I mean the title that's printed on the official cert. I think it shud be MBBS (MMMC) rite? If it's KMC, it'd be MBBS (KMC)

I have yet to see a real cert. Will only see it in a few months time (hopefully )

Btw, just to let you know, the system is getting harder for each batch. So by the time is your turn for the final exam, it will be hell. Just beware.

hmm..maybe im wrong then..who is prof razak? my dean explained to us during orientation that our degree will be conferred as mbbs(manipal)....our dean ir prof john arokiasamy in msia and prof ram in manipal....btw,about the pmc,my fren told me the degree conferred is the same with the one conferred to those studyin for 5 yrs...i think imu is overrated....

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Added on August 9, 2008, 2:13 amso u r my senior den?? haha..den u shud know how hard it is eh studyin there...i heard melaka is even tougher..

This post has been edited by fazid88: Aug 9 2008, 02:13 AM

Prof Razak is the deputy dean of Melaka campus.

Yeah, it's tough here, and it will be tougher for you. But good for you, as you will be a more capable doctor under strict scrutiny.

Btw, you guys only need to stay in India for 2 years only right?

his the vice dean and also the prof. of community medicine. If that's the case, haha hyper, you'll hafta make MBBS (manipal) as your chop once u be a HO

2 and half years for pre clinical....no big exams for pre clinical but have to pass 3 out of 6 postings or else we cannot go home...

Nah, i am putting MMMC. HOs in Melaka GH and Muar hospital are putting MMMC.

Perhaps i can also put (MU). MU=Manipal University or Manchester University.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 9 2008, 02:23 AM

why? pride for college eh? haha

Dunoe. MMMC sounds cooler to me.
Yeah, i am proud of my college indeed, as the college equips me well. Sometimes during ward rounds, we can answer questions posted by the consultants which the HOs or even the MOs cannot answer.
But of course, there's still much to be learned, especially clinical procedures.

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Added on August 9, 2008, 2:29 amBtw, postings in Manipal are much easier compared to Melaka. And dun take the Indian Protocol too seriously, as Malaysian Protocol is totally different.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 9 2008, 02:29 AM

o0o...i heard our grads are doin well after graduating..is it?

oh dear.........shouldn't you pass EVERY posting??? that is worrying, that someone failing 3 postings can still proceed.........

and no exams??.......

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Added on August 9, 2008, 8:52 amunfortunately, all med schools in msia, ipta and ipts are overrated......

non has achieved any international status....

same goes for the unis in general.......

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 9 2008, 09:22 AM

Offtopic: Since when IMU is the best? The facilities are one of the worst (try going to the medical museum) and the entry requirement are the lowest. It is the best way to get to overseas university for rich brats.