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Thursday August 7, 2008 MYT 4:18:55 PM

By P. VIJIAN


NEW DELHI: In an abrupt move, the Medical Council of India (MCI) has said that it will not recognise medical degrees offered by India's leading Manipal University, citing lack of clinical facilities and flouting of regulations.

Last week the MCI, a regulatory body of medical institutions, announced its decision not to recognise the Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBs) courses offered in the university's Kasturba Medical Colleges in Manipal and Mangalore.

"There were several inadequacies in the college which would not allow students to benefit completely from the course," a senior MCI official was quoted as saying.

But responding to MCI's action, Manipal University's ProChancellor Dr H.S Ballal said that although the MCI had derecognised the institution, the ultimate decision would depend on the Health Ministry.

"We have written to the Health Ministry and they have sent a team to observe the university. They wanted a compliance report from us.

"We have submitted the report and the matter is still pending. We hope to get a reply within two to three weeks. We hope the matter will be resolved in favour of us," Dr Ballal told Bernama.

Manipal is popular among Malaysian students and this year 54 students have enrolled for the MBBS and dentistry courses.

Established in 1953, Kasturba, the first private medical college in India, is among the top 10 medical colleges in the country and has the largest concentration of foreign students, from over 50 countries.

Five government medical colleges in Madhya Pradesh are also on the MCI's black list. - Bernama

heh? my friend a JPA scholar is there... so is a lot of self paid msian students... now they are doomed?

Haih, dun worry, only degree from KMC is affected. Degree from MMMC (the twinning programme) is still recognized.
Same incident occurred back in 2005, due to large amount of foreign students studying in the U, exceeding the quota set by the MCI. However, the ruling was later overturned by the Ministry of Health, India.
Ministry of Health, India has the final verdict.
This is actually a political issue. Think of it this way, how can a medical college which is ranked top 10 consistently in India lacks of clinical facilities? Does it make sense?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 7 2008, 05:39 PM

Technically speaking, it just means that the degree from there is not recognized by India. However whether Malaysia chooses to recognize the degree still or not is another thing.

de-recognition by the imc means graduates cannot register with imc to practice medicine.......and this will apply to the branch at malaka as well, as the awarding body for mmmc is the parent manipal in india......

this just means graduates cannot register and practice in india.......but the malaysian medical council still at this point still recognise the degree, and graduates still can register and practice in msia......but this sets an unusual precedent, where the parent country does not recognise, whereas a foreign country recognises the qualification.....and begs the question, is the uni serving their own country, or a foreign country.....

this scenerio will NEVER happen in the developed world......

be that as it may, the fact that a statutory body like the imc should express enough doubts about the med school to delist it, suggest all is not right......there is obviously a problem.....

That's y KMC is having trouble getting into the Schedule of recognised medical schools of the SMC.

Don't you think the heading is a little misleading? It literally means MMC has derecognized the degree from Manipal U while apparently, the issue is exclusively with MCI.
But i guess MMC will wait until the final verdict is out before making any decision.

well, it's too soon to tell isnt it? if they only announced the derecognition today, malaysia shouldnt hastily jump on the bandwagon as well. we have 54 students currently studying there, so it would only be wise if malaysia would send a team to evaluate manipal university ourselves and see if we agree or not with the derecognition.

Since they are sending JPA scholars to Manipal, it is unlikely that they will derecognise it.

well, it has happened before for architecture. so it's not entirely unprecedented.

and hasnt the same thing happened to russian medical schools before?

Haha, forever bashing 3rd world countries' medical schools and how superior is his first world med degree.

in what way was what i said bashing 3rd world countries and med school?.......what did i say that wasn't factual......? do you even know where i graduated from??

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 7 2008, 07:58 PM

my jpa friend scholar there...i dont think the degree not recognize

As i have stated before, this is not the first time it happens. Back in 2005, same issue occured because of the intake of foreign students exceeded the quota set by MCI (More than 60% of the students in MBBS program were foreigners). It was resolved as the Indian Ministry of Health overturned the decision made by MCI. So the final verdict lies in the hand of the Indian Ministry of Health.

Btw, does it make sense that a school consistently ranked in the top 10 suddenly got de-recognized due the "lack of facilities"?

Also, KMC is still listed in IMED. So it has yet to be officially de-recognized by the Indian Government. Link

Pls do a info search before you jump to conclusion.

Oh, btw, MMMC's degree is never recognized in India, as there is no Indian national studying in MMMC. It is in fact a malaysian degree.

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Added on August 7, 2008, 8:10 pmWell, i think it's about time you share with all of us where you graduated from. It has remained a mystery for a very long time.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 7 2008, 08:24 PM

imed listing means nothing, as far as sovereign rights of individual countries to recognise degrees for registration is concerned.......they are completely different things....

mmmc is awarded by the university of manipal, which is an indian university, therefore it's degree is an indian degree.......if what you say is true, that it's msian version of their degree is NOT recognised in india, that is worrying.......

other foreign universities with branch campuses in msia all award degrees fully recognised in their parent country.........ie monash, pmc/irish med schools, including other professional degrees like pharmacy etc.....

i don't know why people are so defensive about this matter..........it obvious strike a sore point.....perhaps the intrinsic realisation that there is indeed a problem with certain medical schools......i didn't invent there issues........

For an institution to be listed as "recognized" in IMED, it must first be recognized by the country where it is situated. There's no such thing as a school being listed in IMED as "recognized" while it is not recognized by the country of origin. The last time when KMC was de-recognized, its status in the IMED was written as "de-recognized".

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As listed in IMED, both schools' graduation years are "current", which means they are recognized by the country of origin. As i have stated before, the final verdict lies in the Indian Ministry of Health (damn, i am beginning to sound like a broken radio).

As funny as it sounds, but India only recognizes medical institutions which have a sizable amount of Indian nationals. I am not sure how the recognition in India works but i am pretty sure that MMMC is not recognized by India. Also, many western institutions are not recognized by India.

Degree from PMC is not recognized by Ireland. Under IMED, PMC is listed as a distinct institution, which means that PMC's degree is actually a degree of its own. That's also the reason why PMC is not recognized by Singapore Medical Council, while the partner schools are recognized. In addition, Irish medical council only recognizes 5 Irish institutions, of which PMC is not included. The 5 schools are:

University of Dublin
Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland
University College Cork
University College Dublin
National University of Ireland, Galway

Also, you are wrong about MMMC's degree. It is a Malaysian degree, i can assure you, and MMMC is listed under Malaysia in IMED. Link Therefore, even though KMC is de-recognized, MMMC will still be recognized by Malaysia. You can call/email MMMC or Malaysia Medical Council regarding this matter.

I am not defensive about this matter, it's just that you have the wrong concept of the whole thing. I am here to correct you.

Btw, are you going to reveal where you graduated from? I wonder why are you so secretive about it?

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 8 2008, 12:42 AM

whether msia recognizes it or not.. it would bring a reflect badly on the students that went there and those currently practicing in msia after graduating

imagine graduating from a uni where the home country's gov dont recognize it.. outsiders will have a say in this matter

Even if it's recognised by the JPA or MMC, you cannot run away from the fact that you graduated from a lousy school. Yes, you may find a job locally. But you may not be as competent as your peers.

What you say are usually "obvious truths". So you don't really have to rephrase it in a way that could send those people you insulted banging balls.

Usually you sound like a kangaroo. But from this sentence, you may have graduated from a third world country lol.

This post has been edited by edge85: Aug 8 2008, 02:09 AM

yupp its happen w those fr Japan before in 2005
they were re-attached with local Meds Uni for re-test and supervise



waa .. a lot of my friends fr mannipal ..
but to be judge competent or not .. It Is Individual

recognition and derecognition doesnt affect retroactively. meaning if u've graduated before the date of derecognition, it should be fine, bcoz before that it was recognized.

it's the same if a school is recognized in 2008, and if u graduate in 2007, doesnt mean ur degree will automatically be recognized. usually the recognizing body will have a specific statement on what is and what is not recognized.

i dunno why i bother............maybe i should just let you all wallow in your own misconceptions and misinformation.........

i wish you should leave that crutch called the imed, and stop thinking that being listed there is all important.......

as far as manipal is concerned, this thing just happened days ago.........you expect imed to delist it immediately? you obviously don't know how this thing works.......

pmc does NOT award any degree.....graduates gets the MB BCh BAO degrees of the National University of Ireland (NUI) as well as with the Licentiates of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland and the Royal College of Physicians of Ireland. They are registerable of course in Ireland.......pmc homesite is down so alternatively, nah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penang_Medical_College

and you are 'correcting' me??!

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Added on August 8, 2008, 8:55 amin one swift blow, you insulted me, contradicted yourself, insulted people in 'lousy school' after criticizing me of bashing 3rd world schools...........

and what's this obsession about where i come from anyway?.....i thought it is not important, and it is how the individual proves himself that is important??? so now where one graduates from becomes important again?.........

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 8 2008, 08:55 AM