how are you sure of this?
Do you have the data?

sigh.......that's why have to repeat, some people too dense to get it the first time......

see above............point 2, the basis of all my comments.......

where did i say all 3rd world doctor not up to par........?

for the other question, see point 3.....

zltan..please read the book The Great White Flood...by Anne Pattel-Gray...my father took sociology for his degree and this book happen to be in his interest and lay arnd in my house..it'll show u how the policies in aus discriminate between race...

I've got 2 doctors and 4 med students in my family.. and seriously none of them have commented about incompetency, diff between 1st and 3rd world unis

That's y i find some of the comments unhelpful, immature to some point, and a little condescending.

wow..u sure got a good headstart in the field..i quite agree with u..in fact,those who commented about incompetency and compare us with the developed world shows third world mentality in themselves..if the first world can accept grads from our third world uni without looking at the degree(as in snyperb case..pls refer to his post) then why we we cant? quit comparing and if u think u r good enough,try to do something about it..no use of bashing here and there without giving constructive result..

eh.......they did look at his degree, and they did NOT recognise it, and want him to prove himself.....that is why he had to sit for the qualification exams in uk and nz........

bottom line: you have to prove yourself individually, since the standards are too variable for blanket acceptance.......

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Added on August 13, 2008, 2:42 pmThe Great White Flood : Racism in Australia
Critically Appraised from an Aboriginal Historico-Theological Viewpoint
Anne Pattel-Gray 2000

Description
This book examines the impact of racist government legislation and policies upon the indigenous people of Australia over the last 200 years. Anne Pattel-Gray contends that racism in Australia is rooted in the long and corrupt relationship between government and church. The persistence of racism in every area of Australian society is documented, from government to schools to courts to churches, and the illusory humanitarian and human rights stances of both institutions are here exposed. Pattel-Gray argues that racism is an endemic and chronic problem that must be addressed and solved, Her book defines and clarifies racist terminology and language, reviews historical and contemporary expressions of Australian racism, and assesses both the concept and the recent process of reconciliation in Australia.

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can we have a similar book about racism in msia too......?

oh? cannot? too sensitive issit?

or because the white man did it, it is okay if we do it too?.....two wrongs make a right?

This post has been edited by limeuu: Aug 13 2008, 02:45 PM

They would onli compare if all of them graduate from 1st world medskols. Imagine someone in Uk medskol criticise his counsin's medskol in India, wat do u think will happen

one of them got a place to study in UK, went for interview, they loved him..but ultimately he made his decision to stay in malaysia...see not everything about "1st world uni" is great...
wgy589.. where would you go if not of NUS's offer

This post has been edited by blackrobin: Aug 13 2008, 05:20 PM

hmm, why do you ask this question? I'm not sure, mabbe UNSW, mabbe Unimas (Sarawak) or PMC.

since you got the offer to read medicine in NUS, u must have a "substantial" results.. u are former stpm stud ..rite
lol u got offer from Unimas from IPTA? not even UM or UKM?
NUS is just as fine:quality edu, competitive students, very much affordable fees

sad i was not offered the medicine programme in NUS.. was offered a place in da faculty of science..mabbe the competition was too immense for that this year intake

This post has been edited by blackrobin: Aug 13 2008, 06:00 PM

yup, i did STPM, but got offered Unimas medicine instead. and IPTA selection system is apparently not based on merit. i got 98++, but not can't even get into USM, UPM... not to talk abt UM, UKM.

UM.. u need 99.++ as they claim..lol
sigh..shouldn't have taken 5 subs.. it was killing packed in the exam weeks T.T
..managed to pull out a 92++ overall merit though..

well, that's not good enough to secure a place in any medicine faculty in IPTA. sad.. hmmph i shall thrive in MMMC lolx

wat would u get if u thrive in medskol? be the best in MMMC and so what?

huh..i meant i'll work hard .. that's all..
no need to use that " so what" t.t.. it's patronizing...

wish u all the best! huhu...remember that we need to prove ourself or else we are all not good enough at limeuu eyes..

None of your statements above answered my question. As i have said before, money is currently one of the determining factor for which Uni you can enroll in. This is unlikely to change in the near future.

Come on, even Harvard graduates have to take PLAB in order to work in UK. So are you saying that medical education in Harvard is not good enough?
You should know that licensing exams are not solely for competency test. There's political element involved too.

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 13 2008, 07:12 PM

hypermax..i think there is no point arguing with limeuu...he is always right...he is never wrong..there is a saying,those who talk less know more,those who talk more know less....

I actually felt that what limeuu was saying is partly true in some ways. No offence really as i'm from a new third world medical school which just got recognised too.

Definitely students who can managed to enter the first world med school will be respected worldwide due to the university recognition, world class curriculum etc. Face the reality. This is the truth currently in de medical community not only in malaysia, but worldwide.

BUT us, the third world med school graduates are definitely not less competent if compared to them as well, the thing is we will have to strive harder in order to gain the recognition and also to prove that we are no difference from them. As an example u see, there are quite a number of great surgeons emerging from the so called third world med school too. These people, i believed have really strived their lungs out to be one of the best to be on par with doctors from great fancy med school too.

To me, med school is just part of a medic's life. The real life of a doctor starts during housemanship, therefore working/training extra harder to prove ur own competency is what matters to me. Med school doesn't play a role here anymore, since they have provide u with sufficient knowledge to move on to the latter stages. It's totally up to the student themselves. Just IMHO. No offence really.

Peace guys.

true..but limeuu thinks dat 3rd world med school doesnt provide sufficient knowledge and training to its student..only 1st world med school will provide sufficient training for its student(according to him,plz refer post preview: #19182369 )

as usual misquoting me......

replay:

1. developed countries are consistent in their selection and training process, and thus has the best record of consistent med education....obviously of choice then.....

2. ipta/ipts and many 3rd world schools suffer from selection and training issues, just know that you will have a mixed bag of classmates and lecturers when you get there.....

3. money should NOT be a factor in the selection process, just interest and ability......the practice of buying places in msia (and 3rd world in general) is bad.......