melaka campus got pool?? didnt see one.....in manipal yes,we got pool..

Monday August 11, 2008 MYT 7:22:19 PM
Melaka Manipal students not affected: Dr Ismail

PETALING JAYA: Students at the Melaka Manipal Medical College will not be affected by a recent ruling by the Medical Council of India (MCI) to derecognise medical and surgery degrees offered by Kasturba Medical Colleges (KMC) in Manipal and Mangalore.

Malaysian Medical Council (MMC) president Tan Sri Dr Ismail Merican said this was because the college was registered and licensed with the Higher Education Ministry to conduct the Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) programme in collaboration with the Manipal Academy of Higher Education.

The MBBS degree from the college has been recognised by the council since July 9, 2003 where its graduates have been able to practise as medical practitioners.

He also pointed out that the college's licensing terms was with the Manipal University and not KMC.

"The awarder of the degree is the Manipal University and not the KMC. The role of Manipal University towards the college is to render technical and resource support," he said in a statement Monday.

"Hence, its facilities and support in Manipal are entirely independent of KMC governance."

He added the college never sought recognition from the MCI and were never under their purview.

As for the two KMCs in India, Dr Ismail said MMC had been informed by the pro-chancellor of Manipal University that MCI was only a recommendatory body and the power to recognise or de-recognise was with India's Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.

He added the university had taken the appropriate action and the matter was with the ministry to decide.

"I believe the matter will be settled amicably," he said adding MMC would wait further outcome and developments before making decisions.

"At this juncture, I would like to advise parents and students alike, not to be unduly worried," he said.

He said MMC would update parents and students from time to time and would take steps to ensure students continue with medical education.
http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=...2159&sec=nation

eh.......actually, no lah......mostly 'locals', many from the spore branch of the previous um (before partition)......

as usual misquoting me......

replay:

1. developed countries are consistent in their selection and training process, and thus has the best record of consistent med education....obviously of choice then.....

2. ipta/ipts and many 3rd world schools suffer from selection and training issues, just know that you will have a mixed bag of classmates and lecturers when you get there.....

3. money should NOT be a factor in the selection process, just interest and ability......the practice of buying places in msia (and 3rd world in general) is bad.......

sjr, these are basic principles, there are always exceptions.......

and i know you all only know the msian scenario, and hence will always look at this with blinkered vision, but in countries we are most familiar with, ie uk, oz, nz, selection is NOT based on money....it is heavily subsidised, and fees often deferred (see zltans comments above).......so everyone can 'afford' as long as you are selected on merit.......in other words, they try their best to prevent what many is complaining about here......not getting in even with good results, and giving up due to no money.....

i know money plays a big part in the defacto situation in msia, which is bad, like i said......it opens up the widespread practice of students who would not have got in (were they citizens in the 1st world), on merit, now buying their way in........eg, someone with a ter of 93 will have almost zero chance of being selected into oz unis if he was aussie, but because he is msian, will easily get offers in several ipts here.....

of course i am referring to citizens....but why are citizens of this country paying so much for their children's education, both ipts and overseas?

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Added on August 14, 2008, 12:07 am

qed.....

One thing i'd like to know limeuu, does that mean that only students with very good results deserves to become a doctor? Is results really that important in determining how good is a doctor?

Since the entry requirements are so important to you. (I mean of course there is a minimun requirement to it due to the competition) No offence really as i'm curious to hear from a experienced practising doctor in M'sia. =)

Ok....so you think a stupid f***tard with fails in all his/her subjects but with very good attitude/determination and empathy should be a doctor?

Look here... the reason why good results are required is because medicine requires good memory, good thinking, and good everything which good results demonstrate. I'm talking about results such as IB..etc and not SPM(which requires pure memorization/exam techniques and absolutely useless)

You can't just see a patient and tell them something like...."ooh...I don't know whats your problem because i'm bad at studying, but I'll look up this book and I'll tell you in 10 minutes"

Also, bad results also generally means bad communication skills, bad critical thinking (especially at writing essays/research projects etc.)....
Having a good memory is not enough....you also can't tell a patient "uhh....ummm....I remember your symptoms are signs of diabetes type I but I don't understand why you have uhh.....low tissue turgor...uhh...which is dehydration....but you've been drinking lots of water....and uhh..."

Which is why my point of view in good results generally means a whole package such as good memory, good analysis, good communication and smart.

Then how on earth did they get the JPA scholarship in the first place....which also involves interviews....right?

http://www.manipal.edu/mcoms/users/Mcomsin...ge.aspx?PgId=12
As far as I can see that D in London A-levels in same as C in Sri Lankan A levels. So, technically, someone can get in with something like a DDD.

1. I don't know about your med school, but over here, if you have a bad attitude towards patients, you fail your OSCEs and clinicals. And come on... you can get away with selling MCs and breaking code of ethics in Malaysia....if you are in a 1st world country-you will get sued/caught and thats the end of your career.

2. So you think a dumb doctor would be able to keep track with recent developments? He/she would even be struggling to understand simple concepts.

You obviously do not understand what OSCEs or clinical years are

eh......again a gross misrepresentation.....

relative few doctors actually get suspended or strike off.....it's single digit yearly.....you would actually hear of it, as the current chairman (the dg) has mandated such action will be released to the press for public info.....

p/s 'interest' and 'want to be a good doctor' at undergraduate level has little bearing on eventual behaviour.......

i need to prove nothing......

you make claim, NOT me

you need to prove to us, NOT me......

So, you're not talking about what happen during medical years? Fine...then don't attend med school and proclaim yourself a doctor after SPM.

Seriously, do you know what OSCEs or clinicals are? Have you heard of anyone being nice to patients for 5 years and then being the direct opposite after that? Because, by denying the relevance OSCEs and clinicals, you are denying the practical part of medicine; interaction between doctors and patients. OSCEs are not just showing how well you can do a physical exam, but also your communication, body language, empathy, and how well you connect/make the patient comfortable. Failure to do so in any of these fields=repeat of the semester.

In clinicals, you deal with real patients and they won't pass you if you are an insensitive person.

And I see that you've resorted to personal attacking....
If you have data of hundreds being suspended, then please show proof too.

i hope you know the difference between 'breaking the code of ethics' and malpractice........