i've got the name, sounds cool
Jagadguru Jayadeva Murugharajendra (JJM) Medical college

This post has been edited by blackrobin: Aug 12 2008, 11:29 PM

illegal? make complain and sumthing gets done??? i wish the world is that simple....

referring to your reply to zltan, therefore specifically referring to oz.....

yes it is that simple there.......

have you been to australia?

i know it is difficult to imagine after being used to msia, but cabinet ministers have resigned for something as small as not declaring and paying tax on a videoplayer on return from overseas.......

it's call good governance and accountability, something quite alien to msia.......

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/10/race.police

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/3...uselections2008

from ur first world country

links dead

i didn't say doesn't happen.....racism exist everywhere.....just that it is illegal there and legal and officially sanction here....you do know the difference.....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2003/jan/20/cricket

ur beloved australia...to think that their country is clean with good governance...be realistic....this things happen everywhere..may it 3rd world country like msia...or 1st world country like aus or uk or america....

I guess medical students would have no trouble remembering such long names.

links dead?? haha..just try it and its well and alive...it is offcially sanction in uk where they say the cricket team is less english and need to change....not official??? hmm..

Can't blame the Australians.

This one priceless..

it's not that it occurred.......it's how we react to it that makes the difference.....but i am beginning to think some cannot understand the difference.....oh well.....time to sleep.......

nice vid..haha! the "ark!" is so clear..hahahah

links given by fazid88 are not dead...
maybe u should check ur internet connection...

anw, everything has their pros and cons..
nothing is perfect..
changes are being made to suit everyone's needs..

The conversation between fazid88 and limeuu just highlights the problems with Malaysians: radical. No one is saying that the western world are saints. The only difference is that in the western world, there is active discussion and knowledge of the issue. In Malaysia, everything is deemed "sensitve" and "cannot talk". And the ultras drag out an isolated case of discrimination and trumpet "The west is bad so we should not follow them".

Easy to see a speck in your enemies eye when there is a plank jutting out of yours.

This is why I have a bit of respect for Chua Soi Lek. He knew the game was up, and the honourable way was to resign. Unfortunately, Malaysians, unused to such accountablity, attacked him endlessly. After reading the coverage of the Chinese language newspapers, I came to the conclusion that they are not better than the BM papers. Two sides of the same coin.

You are obvously not aware of the full facts. He got his surgical training in University of Rochester. If entrance procedures in the developed world is as water tight as perceived, how did he end up being called Dr Death?

Let me repeat myself: you cannot extrapolate an outlier to justify the trend. Yes, there are amazingly brilliant Malaysian's out there, and in my uni, but they are not representitive of Malaysia, where the bulk of people can't see beyond their noses and the sports pages of the NST.

Doctors who are incompetent can be removed by political will. In Australia, its called the "AMC Examination". I'm fine if you graduated from some flea-bag from Romania; just meet the standards set by the MMC.

Apple and oranges? I don't think so.

And before someone points to Jayant Patel, let me make it clear that I never once said the examination system in infailable. But any check and balance is better than the multiple back doors of Malaysia. Jayant Patel was one of the 8000 overseas doctors admitted in 2003 to Australia. That's a (theoritically) 0.000125% chance.

Racism is indeed present, but at least the government is doing something to eradicate it.

1. Everyone has a fair chance to get into med school (you get in if you have a good ENTER, UMAT and in certain cases-did well in the interview)
2. 70% of scholarships/uni places are not reserved for a certain race
3. There are more asians in my cohort of medicine than whites
4. Mayor of Melbourne is an Asian
5. There is no need to fill in religion/race in examination forms

So you are saying there all doctors from the 3rd world are incompetent and should be politically removed? Bare in mind that many doctors in Msia are from 3rd world schools which are recognized by MoH (mostly India). Also, UM's high medical standard (previously) was achieved by lecturers from India.

So yes, dun compare apples to oranges.

eh.......actually, no lah......mostly 'locals', many from the spore branch of the previous um (before partition)......

Putting words into my mouth.

Pray, tell me where did I say in that post that "all doctors from the 3rd world are incompetent"?

Let me repeat myself: Like politicians, incompetent doctors can be weeded out. It is just the political will thats lacking. In the same way no one has the political will to remove (amongst others) Khairy, anyone who thinks about setting up a "MMC Examination" better start drafting their resignition letter.

Apple and oranges? I still don't think so.

According to LKS's blog

Source
Btw, you haven't answered my question: do you think an academic strong non-bumi student but from average-income family shouldn't do medicine if he cannot secure a place in the IPTA?

Mind you, we are discussing about 3rd world medical graduates whose degrees are recognized by the MoH, not the competency issue. Someone here has generalized that these medical graduates are generally not up to par. And i am trying hard to point out that there are many such doctors working in Msia, regardless of being competent or not. Therefore, if one has grudge against such doctors, he/she better moves to other 1st world countries where the population of such doctors is less.

Btw, some doctors from the so called 1st world schools are also incompetent. Competency depends on individual, not the schools from which he's from (of course not those really terrible ones which are not listed in IMED)

This post has been edited by hypermax: Aug 13 2008, 11:59 AM