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post Jul 4 2008, 02:59 PM

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QUOTE(Evangelistica @ Jul 4 2008, 02:40 PM)
But this empty vessels do stand out from others, rite? You started noticing them first, only then you will move your attention to other people..
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But sometimes it make ppl around feel disaster.. like a guy back in my secondary school.. he is noisy n talk nonsense in the class everyday n make everyone of us dislike o some even hate him.. sweat.gif


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post Jul 4 2008, 03:06 PM

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QUOTE(Evangelistica @ Jul 4 2008, 02:40 PM)
But this empty vessels do stand out from others, rite? You started noticing them first, only then you will move your attention to other people..
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Well negative attention =/= social dominance laugh.gif
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QUOTE(murcie @ Jul 4 2008, 01:31 PM)
thats true. but i doubt that sort of traits are possessed by those that are socially dominant in my age group. as of what i said, it is simply based on my observation.
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not really, they do have all those traits, and if they're lacking it, its only simply because no one else has it. Best of the worst scenario.
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post Jul 4 2008, 03:41 PM

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I think someone that socially dominant have the capability to make other follow his lead.

Not only by talking, but talk with "contents";
Not only by doing, by did with efficiency;
Not only by advice, but advice with wisdom.

To be a leader is easy but to be a successful leader that all your team mates love you, that's something outstanding.
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post Jul 4 2008, 04:20 PM

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hey dude i like your threads. both this and the other one.

haha i think its funny, sad and in most ways true.


keep it up biggrin.gif

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post Jul 4 2008, 04:22 PM

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QUOTE(ckshieh @ Jul 4 2008, 03:41 PM)
I think someone that socially dominant have the capability to make other follow his lead.

Not only by talking, but talk with "contents";
Not only by doing, by did with efficiency;
Not only by advice, but advice with wisdom.

To be a leader is easy but to be a successful leader that all your team mates love you, that's something outstanding.
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Yup agree on this too. Dun wan too many "tin kosong" leading us..
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post Jul 4 2008, 04:31 PM

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i am someone who hates pre-defined rules.... i hate people who think that they are morally righteous - telling other people how to act ...even how to eat and drink -

because i think i am someone who want to be like house not confined by mind numbing rules and what not..

..... so can i be socially dominant?

because from what i understand socially dominant person is someone who is always act morally righteous (and thus respect)....

i dont need respect.... i need honesty.....

please comment...

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post Jul 4 2008, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(Evangelistica @ Jul 4 2008, 08:48 AM)
Social dominant to me is kind of a natural born skill. Good for those who have it. Still, it can be learn slowly but tough. You have to change your personality I must say. For example, being a shy person isn't helping much. It's kind of live in other peoples' shadows all the time. You have to stand out a bit and, being a sweet talker is always a plus.

To me lah. I dunno if peinsama agrees with me..  tongue.gif
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Like i mention before in other post, its up to the person whether he chose what he wants to be. If you're shy, ask yourselves what do you get from shyness compare to being confident and dominant? If being shy isn't the result that you want, then learn to be confident(thats the most important criteria). There are many self enrichment books out there to be discovered to help improve a man leadership, social communication in terms of Persuasion, emphaty, understanding, moral and ethics value and also vision.

I will agree on your part that it can be learn but i wil have to disagree that is a kind of natural born skill. I don't think i was born with social dominant skills but i was elected to be the monitor in my secondary class since form 1 to form 5 because of the leadership i can provide to the class. During that five years period, i learn alot in how to handle people (disheartening and happy moments), and thats the key point to be social dominant, to 'HEAR' the people surround me and know how to 'LEAD' them to get what or where they want to be for example. Btw, being a scout commander wasn't that easy too. smile.gif

Expertise and intelligence too plays a huge part of it. And these things can be learn and taught by our 'seniors' or elders.


Added on July 4, 2008, 4:51 pm
QUOTE(ckshieh @ Jul 4 2008, 03:41 PM)
I think someone that socially dominant have the capability to make other follow his lead.

Not only by talking, but talk with "contents";
Not only by doing, by did with efficiency;
Not only by advice, but advice with wisdom.

To be a leader is easy but to be a successful leader that all your team mates love you, that's something outstanding.
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Not only efficiency matters, effectiveness too. People always tend to look at the tangible side instead of the intangible ones such as efforts for example instead of results.

Your third criteria that you mentioned are partly true. Doesn't necessarily need advice with wisdom. Good leader will tend to hear from what his or her members wanted him or her to listen. Doesn't mean you're a leader, you should 'be-little' your members simply because you think you're smarter than them. A good leader is like a captain of ship. He knows how to direct the ship to its destination. He may have little skills in tying the knots or cooking, but as long as he can sail the ship & arrive in its own destination plus his sailors are happy with him, then thats a good leader.

Its a management skill of course thats why its an art of directing people. But just like you mentioned its something outstanding to be a successful leader but its also hard in terms of sacrificing own needs sometimes.

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QUOTE(kanabalize @ Jul 4 2008, 04:31 PM)
i am someone who hates pre-defined rules.... i hate people who think that they are morally righteous - telling other people how to act ...even how to eat and drink -

because i think i am someone who want to be like house not confined by mind numbing rules and what not..

..... so can i be socially dominant?

because from what i understand socially dominant person is someone who is always act morally righteous (and thus respect)....

i dont need respect.... i need honesty.....

please comment...
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I don't see how you can connect being socially dominant and being morally righteous, they're completely different things. You could be the most amoral person on the planet and still be socially dominant.
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post Jul 6 2008, 05:49 PM

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QUOTE(kanabalize @ Jul 4 2008, 04:31 PM)
..... so can i be socially dominant?

because from what i understand socially dominant person is someone who is always act morally righteous (and thus respect)....
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I think morality is not really relevant to a person's level social dominance.

Some losers use the issue of morality to make up for their low social dominance.

EXAMPLE: "I may have low self esteem and have no idea how to talk to women, but I know that I am a righteous person because God/Deity/Fate/Karma has someone who's right for me. I am proud of my chastity bla bla bla bla" (when in reality they never even had the chance to get laid)

That said, a socially dominant person who knows how to play his cards right will usually choose to take the moral highground when possible.




QUOTE(nimrod2 @ Jul 4 2008, 04:20 PM)
hey dude i like your threads. both this and the other one.

haha i think its funny, sad and in most ways true.
keep it up biggrin.gif
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thanks for the compliment smile.gif
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post Jul 6 2008, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(kanabalize @ Jul 4 2008, 04:31 PM)
because i think i am someone who want to be like house not confined by mind numbing rules and what not..
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Are you sure House is socially dominant? More like Dr Cuddy to me, though after watching till season 3.

Besides, House seems to be like Dr Cox (Scrubs). Using narcissism and pride as a way to establish their reputation in their hospitals and of course together with their jokes especially dark humor. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(@lice~~ @ Jul 4 2008, 02:59 PM)
But sometimes it make ppl around feel disaster.. like a guy back in my secondary school.. he is noisy n talk nonsense in the class everyday n make everyone of us dislike o some even hate him..  sweat.gif
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while some guys are both socially dominant and 'loud'/talkative, being talkative isnt necessarily a sign of social dominance. Perhaps the guy is so insecure that he seeks attention all the time? The attention grabbing sociopath isnt necessarily socially dominant.
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 7 2008, 01:28 PM)
while some guys are both socially dominant and 'loud'/talkative, being talkative isnt necessarily a sign of social dominance. Perhaps the guy is so insecure that he seeks attention all the time? The attention grabbing sociopath isnt necessarily socially dominant.
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Sir you are absolutely correct. smile.gif
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post Jul 22 2008, 03:22 PM

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Perhaps, the true love is a blind love.

Not blindly loving someone, but the love between the people who are blind.

In the world of darkness, the blinds find real love.

Now, think.
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post Jul 22 2008, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(mihonkenji @ Jul 22 2008, 03:22 PM)
Perhaps, the true love is a blind love.

Not blindly loving someone, but the love between the people who are blind.

In the world of darkness, the blinds find real love.

Now, think.
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A good thought for all of us.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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