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Evangelistica
post Jun 26 2008, 09:54 AM

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Yup, great post. Deserves to be pinned. The world, truth sucks and yeah, reality bites you in the ass !!
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post Jun 27 2008, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Jun 27 2008, 12:00 PM)
How sad so there is no true/real love after all, its all conditioned love
I have been cheated by dramas and fairy tale stories cry.gif
good post neverheless
but a lil bit generalized
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What happened in dramas is total fairy tales that misleads most of the people from the hard truth. Hollywood, Korean even Malaysian movie makers should be blamed for this..

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post Jun 27 2008, 02:26 PM

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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Jun 27 2008, 12:12 PM)
Yes yes yes you're right nod.gif

So ezralim has burst a bubble, there is no true love any more cry.gif
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True love still exists, I believe. But only few lucky people will have the luxury for it (e.g love at first sight etc..etc..). Many will just have to "settled" with what he/she can get. Some might not getting any at all, no matter how low their expectation is. This might sounds too harsh but hey, I know them first hand.. sad.gif
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post Jun 30 2008, 11:55 AM

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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jun 28 2008, 07:50 PM)

Though i've never come across a pretty girl without any decently attractive guy going after her.

or a handsome, charming, and dominant guy without any pretty girls trying to attract him.
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My point exactly..
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post Jul 1 2008, 08:09 AM

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QUOTE(raindrops @ Jun 30 2008, 04:46 PM)
just feeel like insulting ppl for the heck of it biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(raindrops @ Jun 30 2008, 04:16 PM)
i think you are one of those "below average"  tongue.gif
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So what??

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post Jul 1 2008, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(wangpr @ Jul 1 2008, 11:50 AM)
Zhar dou........

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He might just suffer from break up ler...

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Doesn't gave him the rights to mock other people..

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post Jul 1 2008, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(max_cavalera @ Jul 1 2008, 01:51 PM)
Go learn social dynamics and you'll improve your chances tremendously wif people and especially girls. I started my journey believing by this basic theory either, and it put me in a negative state of mind either. but I soon learn that this is the theory a guy who's didn't achieve much success wif girls and came up in order to be defensive. You should try to improve yourself, wear better clothes, built up network of frens, learn the proper dynamics to talk and attract girls to you. Better guys will manipulate all this findings to their advantage, not blame the world and nature and said the mothernature rule is unfair.
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No offense but to me, it is unfair.. sad.gif
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post Jul 1 2008, 04:36 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 1 2008, 03:36 PM)
Life is unfair, so what? Are you going to sit around b****ing about it? or are you actually going to do something about it? You can look at all your negative aspects, and think that you were just born unlucky, and life is unfair. Then you look at other people and think "he's lucky he's tall/rich/handsome/etc" must be getting everything he wants. What you fail to realise is that person may have it worse than you, but he knows how to overcome it.
Haiyya again when I said something it'll always backfire to me. I'm not saying what I've said in a way to commit suicide lor. It's just a matter and figure of speech that life wasn't fair TO MOST people. I do realised that fact and act accordingly, do whatever I can to make my life meaningful at least. I don't just sit around let Fate pre-ordained my life's ending.



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post Jul 1 2008, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(-Rox- @ Jul 1 2008, 04:30 PM)
Because youre below average.
So all the guys that you met is below average as well and they are not pro
enough to manipulate your so called excitement.
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QUOTE(raindrops @ Jun 30 2008, 04:16 PM)
i think you are one of those "below average"  tongue.gif
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Hmm.. hmm.gif Raindrops vanished, Rox appeared. Both with same lame attitude, same pathetic tricks to get attention. Moderators could you checked their IP's whatever you can do to find the truth about this Rox guy? whistling.gif whistling.gif
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post Jul 2 2008, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Jul 1 2008, 09:29 PM)
How sure are you when life wasn't FAIR to Most people? Like i stated before, you're just blaming the 'outside' factor, finding things which seems 'easier' for you to blame. Is that what you think? Seriously, a MAN, i mean a REAL MAN, knows what it takes to to SURVIVE. You don't just point your finger and pick which one you hate and say hey that is his or her fault, or for your case, its LIFE fault. How do you describe LIFE btw actually? Life is broad in general.

Is good that you make your life meaningful but i bet your life will be more meaningful if you just focus on yourself and your capability and stop putting blame on life. Besides, i just don't see how you could make a decision to just let us here know that LIFE here is not FAIR to MOST people. You don't have the power to have a say about it. You're just you.
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No offense here..

Then by the same standard, how SURE are you that life is fair to all? That all human beings in this planet Earth is equally the same? Again you've misinterpreted me. I've said it and I say it again. "Life is not the same for all of us". Some born healthy, some born with defects. Some are wealthy, some have to beg just to eat a piece of bread for the day. We've tried hard to improve our life, but some will prevail, some will be doomed. Let's not focus on the love life now (since you want to talk about life in general). After all these years, based on what I've witnessed and encounter, I strongly believes that life is not fair for all. It can't be fair. How can you say that life is fair and equal when a person next to you is healthy and well built while the other one is obese and sick? No matter how you interpret it, honestly sir, can you truly honestly say that there's any "fair" to it? That's why I've said, life is not fair for most people.

In my case, (which got me thinking), I have a 14 years old brother with autisme (Google it to find out). It's really heartbreaking. Where's the "fair" in that? I don't see it. Why it has to be my brother? Why not someone else? Is he fated to be like that?

Onto the bigger picture now. Why some countries are so poor, why are some so prosporous? Think.

I'm not saying based on my emo-ness whatever. Life can't be fair to all. Some might be lucky, some will not. I'm not pin pointing everyday in my life. What's the point in doing that? It's just a matter of thoughts that keeps me wondering, but it doesn't make me wake up at night screaming about it. It's just a process of thinking based on experience, and I've made up my conclusion. But my conclusion simply won't make me a loser, giving up on anything or just play along with God's will. No , no, no sir I'm not. I'd love to think that I'm the one in control of my life, not by some unseen forces to pull the strings. Maybe in a word, yes I would put the blame on life but that's it. "Scapegoat" found, done, and I can carry on with my life. Surviving each day with all my might and will.

See through my eyes, learn what I've learnt, feel what I've felt, experienced what I've endured. I've been through a lot. A man, a REAL MAN would understand this.
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post Jul 2 2008, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(ckshieh @ Jul 2 2008, 12:22 PM)
By all mean, there really isn't any point to debate whether life is fair or not. The world we are living in needs "balance". When there is happiness, there will be sadness. Therefore, when there is fairness, so existed un-fairness to all living beings.

Like you, I'm someone who is not and will not fall for something call "destiny in life" also. When i think my life is unfair to me, change it I will and not sit silently and let it be.

Fair or unfair just a matter of measurement by an individual.
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My point exactly.. some get and some dont. balance, that's the right word for now.. smile.gif

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post Jul 2 2008, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(silverhawk @ Jul 2 2008, 02:50 PM)
then why even mention that life is unfair? Its irrelevant isn't it? smile.gif
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It's unfair lah. Some might get it some wont. Balance in a way though.. Not everyone is rich and not everyone in poor. Not everyone is drop dead gorgeous. not evryone is lucky . Balancelah . Hence, some getting most, some getting none. Basic concept of injustice. Unfair rite?.

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post Jul 2 2008, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Jul 2 2008, 04:49 PM)
Still if you haven't answered my question 'Why life isn't unfair to Most?' i can still jump in and ask back 'Why life isn't unfair to Most?' that i mentioned previously.

So you think if all people in this world is rich, do you think the world is going to be Utopia? Economically speaking the rich need the poor to be called themselves rich. Its always the matter who wants and deserves more. If you're just looking at the outside picture or 'the world' that you used to mention previously, just like i say before, its easier to see why from the outside than to see why from the inside of you. Just because we have different 'life' that doesn't mean it is unfair? Like i stated b4, you don't have the power to say that. You're just narrowing your scope to rich, healthy, sick, poor and many more tangible stuffs. How about the intangible stuffs? You're just tired of carrying your own dilemma and problems....hey (whistling)..listen here, just so you know 'We are tired too carrying our problems but at least we don't whine and complain about it because as a matter of fact problems should be solved instead of waiting for miracles and other people's solutions.
You see whats wrong with you? You rather hoping others people will get your brother dysfunctional disease, than for your brother to 'have' it. Is that what you call 'FAIR'? By hoping that your life is better than the other? Dude you're blaming for all the bad things in your life. I'm going to tell you straight forward, my life is not as easy as i thought it used to be. Every body had their own 'challenges' given to them and by God. Just because of your brothers problem that doesn't mean you should tell why others should have it instead of your brother. I'm very disheartened when you say that. You simply assumed, that all those rich and healthy people are problem free. Seriously, widen your scope of understanding your society surround you. Perhaps you will get a better judgment from what you're saying now. Just remember, if you want to make yourself to live in a better place, stop blaming and learn the meaning of acceptance. Each of us got our own unique problem. Its only the matter of who are able to be in one shoes and to understand what he or she is going through. Yeah i know autisme is for a life time, my neighbour Dennis is the same. But at least he is always happy for who is him right now and im very proud to have him as my neighbor because you know why? I don't judge. For you as a brother, what exactly can you change about him if given you had a choice? Trust me, sometimes the thing that you hate, you will miss it or the person when it or the person is gone. You will never know when that time comes. So learn to accept. I have once a very sick grandma, she passed away and only 2 months i know about it and im the last person to know it just because my mom want me to focus on my studies. Now did i blame it is unfair? No, rather than to see my beloved grandma 'sadly' passed away, i told myself to stop weeping and told myself to score well in my studies for the sake of myself and my family. The difference between you and me is that i don't blame. And i live life a 'happier' way.
If you ever learn economic, i suggest you do some readings before we even debate on this. If you understand the meaning of productivity, income per capita, GDP and GNP....you will get the glimpse. Besides even Japan and the United States and also China are having problems even though they are the biggest economic power in the world. Like i say, don't assume that the prosperous are 'problem-free'. There is no such thing as 'prosperous are better' because in this context you have to look in a much much much bigger scope to even debate what's the meaning of a country prosperity after all. Besides, not to even mention economic fluctuations. So, are you going to talk on that too? Trust me, it will be the chicken or egg dilemma.
I tell you what, as much a i love to see who you are right now or get to know you better, as much as i also want to tell you life is fair after all. If you say life isn't fair, it shows your negativity thinking and thus there comes the blaming from you towards the external factors such as God for example. Life is fair if you look at the bigger picture. It provides 'abundance' for the one that 'wants' it more than the other and provides 'scarcity' to the one that just go blames around for something that they can't have. In the end of the day, most of the outside matters is always controlled by what's within you. That's why there are subject called consumer behavior and heroism. Life is in the neutral stance, thus it is fair.

You say you're a Real Man? Forgive me, but i think you're a Sad Man. Because if you understand what real Man is, first he never even complains or whines about the things that he can't have but he will struggle to achieve his best. He too knows how to feel what others can feel. If you expect others to feel your shoes, then do yourself a favor, how about by starting putting yourself in our shoes. Then you know, you will have a good start. Just because we felt your shoes doesn't make you a Real Man. Like i say b4, everyone have their own guilt and problems. If you want us to sympathizes you and say you're a Real Man, well ok there you go Real Man, but trust me deep inside of you, you will never felt like a Real Man if you always start craving for 'attention'.
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Well. again you misinterpret things dear peinsama. it's just my views and opinions. just for the record i never said that i want all people in this world is equal ala Utopia, i've never said that other people should be the one get my brother's disease, i've never said that rich people is problem free, i've never claimed i'm a real man, hell i never said lots of things you mentioned with your lengthy "words of wisdom". All I did was just raise a question to think. Maybe my english is not as good as you, thats why you misterpret it. Again dear peinsama, I am not pin pointing and blaming. I'm very much accepting and moving forward towards my goal in life. And I'm definitely not whining, not anymore nowadays. It's just a matter of raising a reasonable doubt to debate.

All I'm trying to say is this, once and for all ..

"Not all people in this world are fortunate enough to experience the luxury of other people had. To me, THAT is unfair. I said 'to me' there. It's just my point of view. I accept it, and carry on with my life. I didn't force anyone to accept it. Each one of us has their own views towards life. Maybe the definition of fair and unfair is a shade of grey to all of us. "

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QUOTE(peinsama @ Jul 2 2008, 06:23 PM)
When you're talking about your brother sickness, when you say why the fate falls on him and not to the other, aren't you indirectly hoping that others should have the disease to felt like how your brother did? Try you look back and read your post. Try to see the essence behind it especially the autisme part. Look at the way you describe it. Isn't it very demeaning to put it that way. Doesn't it show that you're not accepting it as the way things are especially your bro's case?

I don't have to repeat, but everybody got their problems. If you thought that shifting the blame would have make anything clearer than most probably you fall on the wrong side. What is fair to you could be unfair to someone. But what is unfair to you it could be fair to someone. You don't have a say to how life is being unfair to those unfortunates.

Well, did i actually force you to accept that life is FAIR? I'm just merely expressing my disagreement with you thats all. But if you chose to see things that way, then it is up2u. but do understand you're just answering for the 'poor' people part. Can you answer for the 'rich' people part? And from there on give a better judgment on this issue? Look at both ways. If you can answer for the unfortunate part, ask yourself how do you answer for the 'fortunate' part. Then you will likely have another point of view. Then ask yourself again, does the fortunate ones is always fortunate all the time? Or could the unfortunate one accept themselves as being fortunate for who they are instead of what they lack of? There are some 'poor' people i know who have a very happy life. Isn't that sound fortunate to you? Don't always think that luxury or any other monetary things is a 'fortune'. It comes with a price especially happiness. So don't always think that 'rich' people are destined to be 'problem-free'. They do have the money, but do they have the wits to handle their own money? 

What silverhawk say is the most profound and prominent way to describe about life. Life is fair in the way it is unfair Now that is what a Wise and Real Man should say about life.
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I think the way i write doesn't seems 100% to be what i meant. I'm sorry my english and verbal vocabulary is not as high quality or as good as you.. Youre the WISE and REAL man here peinsama, now i see it. Wow if I can just only meet you in person, sure there's a lot about life I can learn from you, My Wise Guru...

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Jul 4 2008, 04:07 AM)
TS, the next question is how to be social dominant...hmm...
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Social dominant to me is kind of a natural born skill. Good for those who have it. Still, it can be learn slowly but tough. You have to change your personality I must say. For example, being a shy person isn't helping much. It's kind of live in other peoples' shadows all the time. You have to stand out a bit and, being a sweet talker is always a plus.

To me lah. I dunno if peinsama agrees with me.. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(murcie @ Jul 4 2008, 10:37 AM)
ah those that are socially dominant usually has the tendency to seek attention and acknowledgment in anything and everything they do, say or associated with. they are the elite bunch, as they'd like to think so. they feed on others downfalls and shortcomings, and by that, they think they are superior than the rest.

that is strictly to my own opinion. man. why cant they just be silently confident rather than showing it off. geez.
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Have to agree on this. But being confident is not always means being dominant. As for feeding on other downfalls, it's lame and cruel but it does happens some times.
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QUOTE(^Hobbes^ @ Jul 4 2008, 02:25 PM)
I agree, looks like a case of empty vessels makes the most noise? laugh.gif
e.g. me

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But this empty vessels do stand out from others, rite? You started noticing them first, only then you will move your attention to other people..
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QUOTE(ckshieh @ Jul 4 2008, 03:41 PM)
I think someone that socially dominant have the capability to make other follow his lead.

Not only by talking, but talk with "contents";
Not only by doing, by did with efficiency;
Not only by advice, but advice with wisdom.

To be a leader is easy but to be a successful leader that all your team mates love you, that's something outstanding.
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Yup agree on this too. Dun wan too many "tin kosong" leading us..
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QUOTE(ezralimm @ Jul 7 2008, 01:28 PM)
while some guys are both socially dominant and 'loud'/talkative, being talkative isnt necessarily a sign of social dominance. Perhaps the guy is so insecure that he seeks attention all the time? The attention grabbing sociopath isnt necessarily socially dominant.
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Sir you are absolutely correct. smile.gif
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QUOTE(mihonkenji @ Jul 22 2008, 03:22 PM)
Perhaps, the true love is a blind love.

Not blindly loving someone, but the love between the people who are blind.

In the world of darkness, the blinds find real love.

Now, think.
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A good thought for all of us.. rclxms.gif rclxms.gif

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